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stopbush

(24,395 posts)
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:49 PM Jun 2017

How much of the anti-Megyn Kelly stuff is due to her being physically attractive?

She's pretty. Does that hurt her among DUers?

I saw the Jones interview. She was very hard on him, made him look like a fool. I realize that to some extent, that's the way NBC decided to edit the interview. That happens all the time in these taped pieces. Unless you as the interviewee insist on a live interview shown in its entirety, you are at the mercy of the producer editing the piece how he will. But Kelly let the interview air as edited.

Kelly is a lawyer by training and credentials. She isn't just another blond woman put on TV as eye candy. Normally, DUers would be championing a woman with Kelly's credentials making it in a man's world. Sure, she has said some stupid things, and she did toe the Faux News line for years, but is it too much to believe that maybe she had enough of that and wants to turn over a new, more-serious leaf?

I get the feeling that the underlying narrative here is that pretty people can't be taken seriously. No one is asking anyone to take Kelly more seriously than someone else with her background and training, but we shouldn't denigrate her abilities and talent based on her looks.

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How much of the anti-Megyn Kelly stuff is due to her being physically attractive? (Original Post) stopbush Jun 2017 OP
I don't trust anyone who pimped for FOX FUCKING NEWS Skittles Jun 2017 #1
I agree rockfordfile Jun 2017 #5
Playing devil's advocate here: how does it work for us stopbush Jun 2017 #6
I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE IS DOING NOW Skittles Jun 2017 #17
Her sincerity has yet to be demonstrated Orrex Jun 2017 #30
I was excited when Kelly left Fox News. Corvo Bianco Jun 2017 #69
By choosing to give one of the worst of the worst a voice, clearly she has not seen any light. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #91
Why advocate for someone who gladly pushed right wing talking points and racism for years? brush Jun 2017 #155
Does that include Dennis Kucinich? BainsBane Jun 2017 #13
It does for me. GaYellowDawg Jun 2017 #25
I think of him every time people mock the Trump/Melania age gap Orrex Jun 2017 #31
I have never heard anyone Control-Z Jun 2017 #35
+++++++++++ HAB911 Jun 2017 #28
The stench does not wear off quickly. Same person different channel. The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #55
I think it has to do with... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #2
Yes we hate pretty people. MissB Jun 2017 #3
+1 Completely agree with all that. OnDoutside Jun 2017 #39
Maybe I've overlooked something... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #4
Nothing overt that I can think of. That's why I'm asking if it's an underlying stopbush Jun 2017 #8
She was one of the biggest Benghazi instigators on Fox. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #7
Working for Fox News has not helped her credibility. avebury Jun 2017 #9
Would you feel the same about Chris Wallace or Shep Smith stopbush Jun 2017 #11
I don't watch Fox but what little I have seen, Shep Smith never came across like he drank avebury Jun 2017 #15
They never said Santa and Jesus was white or attacked Black lives matter. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #49
Did she say Jesus was white? I remember the Santa is white claim. stopbush Jun 2017 #59
Yes she said it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #67
Well, there was no historical Jesus. Total fabrication as befits the era stopbush Jun 2017 #77
Actually there is the mention of Jesus in history...whether he was a savior or not is the question. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #93
Mention from sources reporting 80 years after the fact that people stopbush Jun 2017 #104
I actually believe that history supports that a person called Jesus did live... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #134
No, history does not support that belief. stopbush Jun 2017 #142
That is your opinion...he is mentioned more than once in a variety of writings...different sources. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #147
No contemporaneous sources. Nothing written about him during his supposed life. stopbush Jun 2017 #152
There almost certainly was a guy, an itinerant rabbi or preacher The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #133
Nope. Pure speculation fueled by fear and guilt. stopbush Jun 2017 #141
Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. The point is, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #148
total bs Skittles Jun 2017 #75
Since Santa Claus is a mythical character, he can be any race at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #136
This...should be the end of the thread but apparently it's not! Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #81
I agree. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #90
Those two have occasional fits of honesty. But some of the others - The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #50
Depends get the red out Jun 2017 #82
Did you watch the interview? If Jones had hoped Kelly was going to legitimize him stopbush Jun 2017 #107
She gave him mainstream exposure get the red out Jun 2017 #121
Wallace, no. He has done plenty of damage over the years. rurallib Jun 2017 #110
Do people feel the same about Greta when she left Fox for a legitimate network? Why, yes. Squinch Jun 2017 #126
Odd, but recently I was wondering if her looks helped her get jobs. procon Jun 2017 #10
She dresses no more inappropriately that many other women on TV. stopbush Jun 2017 #14
why is it only the women? Skittles Jun 2017 #19
Exactly. I do not see any men behind... 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #36
You are defining professional attire from the perspective of what's stopbush Jun 2017 #56
LOL Skittles Jun 2017 #72
Am I? Perhaps you don't realize how much you've bought into men stopbush Jun 2017 #74
OK I am done here Skittles Jun 2017 #76
I didn't realize you were arguing anything. stopbush Jun 2017 #78
LOL! That was the perfect rejoinder. nt procon Jun 2017 #95
What a concept. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #46
This is one of my major pet peeves. Chemisse Jun 2017 #60
Do you find it equally wrong that a man is expected stopbush Jun 2017 #119
I think both men and women can and should dress professionally The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #130
That's strange. Here in South FL, male reportes who are working on location don't lunamagica Jun 2017 #139
I'm stealing your awesome question! "Where are the sleeveless men?" bettyellen Jun 2017 #54
Where are the hunky male news anchors wearing tight t-shirts The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #138
Hogwash. procon Jun 2017 #37
Yet apparently, dressing in cocktail and heels stopbush Jun 2017 #116
Regardless of her fashion sense, giving airtime to a monstrosity like Jones procon Jun 2017 #118
How about her giving air time to Putin? stopbush Jun 2017 #120
Give it a rest. procon Jun 2017 #124
"Slut shaming" would be saying she dresses like a hooker, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #150
I saw her in a picture of Putin and others where she is wearing a cocktail dress and they Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #48
I'm not sure gvstn Jun 2017 #100
i remember one show early on where they had her made up mopinko Jun 2017 #105
Thanks for the insight regarding her thoughts on the matter. gvstn Jun 2017 #122
I don't think it's her looks. cwydro Jun 2017 #73
Oh, Jesus. You're actually saying that someone commenting on glaringly unprofessional dress Squinch Jun 2017 #127
Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying. stopbush Jun 2017 #132
You really should stop digging now. Squinch Jun 2017 #135
Word around the campfire? She secured a lot Jacquette Jun 2017 #71
. demmiblue Jun 2017 #12
She is complicit in the deaths, the oppression, the sickening and the paupering of millions. Orsino Jun 2017 #16
If physical attractiveness in female or male for that matter video news personalities TexasProgresive Jun 2017 #18
Amy Goodman. Christine Amanpour. Andrea Mitchell. stopbush Jun 2017 #21
And Joy Reid, Maddow, Yamiche Alcindor, and April Ryan. nt procon Jun 2017 #53
1 & 2 are good no matter their appearance. It wouldn't matter what the 3rd looked like. n/t TexasProgresive Jun 2017 #58
Quite a few other things as well... all of substance, none in regards to appearance. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #20
How people look means nothing whatsoever to me and to many people lunatica Jun 2017 #22
Personally, I prefer to watch the news and weather on the Univision channel... JoeStuckInOH Jun 2017 #23
absolutely none. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #24
I'm more offended of the race-baiting by the New Black Panther Party NobodyHere Jun 2017 #84
Duh. The point was Kelly used them as a big black bogeyman to whip up geek tragedy Jun 2017 #97
Let me consult some chicken entrails to see if I can divine the answer to your question gratuitous Jun 2017 #26
Who is basing it on her looks? leftynyc Jun 2017 #27
Wait...are you suggesting that our amazing Democratic women are NOT "pretty" -- cause that's nuts! malchickiwick Jun 2017 #29
Our office email is being bombarded with anti-Megyn Kelly "fake news" spam Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #32
Her looks mean nothing to me. WhiteTara Jun 2017 #33
I suspect it is almost entirely political. karynnj Jun 2017 #34
I dispute the notion she is smart. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #44
She has a law degree and asked good questions, karynnj Jun 2017 #63
That may be but she doesn't seem particularly intelligent to me...maybe she hides her intelligence Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #96
If You Say Santa Claus Is White SDJay Jun 2017 #38
Not in my book. I don't like her because she's a right-winger. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #40
I think it's a fair question. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #41
No. She gave Jones a platform. I don't care how hard she was on him...he should not be on Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #42
She worked for Fox news... vi5 Jun 2017 #43
She sold out MFM008 Jun 2017 #45
If she wasn't physicaaly atttractive she would never have been on Fox News or any other doc03 Jun 2017 #47
Thanks for your concern! REP Jun 2017 #51
Why are there 3 of these threads on the Latest page? Deb Jun 2017 #52
You need to ask the admins. It's the same thread that I posted only once. stopbush Jun 2017 #64
Katy Tur. Rachel. Joy. Hallie Jackson. All every bit as attractive. nolabear Jun 2017 #57
Don't really care about her one way or another. Kaleva Jun 2017 #61
"Santa just is white." Iggo Jun 2017 #62
By that logic, we should also hate Joy Reid, Jennifer Granholm, GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #65
None. It's about her affiliation with Fox. I ignore her with the same pnwest Jun 2017 #66
None. Although I do think Pootie thought she was coming on to him (in his mind). Vinca Jun 2017 #68
My favorite is Christiane Amanpour. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #70
Nope get the red out Jun 2017 #79
My opinion of her is based on the fact that she worked for Faux. SalviaBlue Jun 2017 #80
It is the opposite Moral Compass Jun 2017 #83
The OP asked if DUers were holding her looks against her, not whether stopbush Jun 2017 #86
Are you kidding? I would never purposely tune in to her show ecstatic Jun 2017 #85
People here sure are addicted to moda253 Jun 2017 #87
also, apparently, to TV and its various on-air personalities. nt marybourg Jun 2017 #92
From my daily glimpses of cable tv when I visit marybourg Jun 2017 #88
Got any other stereotypes about the left you want to drag out while you're at it? kcr Jun 2017 #89
Are you serious? I don't care what a person looks like. It's not their outer, it's their inner soul. Fla Dem Jun 2017 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #98
What specifically leads you to believe this underlying narrative you allege? LanternWaste Jun 2017 #99
I note that her appearance has been referenced in critical comments by some. David__77 Jun 2017 #101
I can't stand her because she's despicable. She's a propagandist & a liar. Plus that whole catbyte Jun 2017 #102
None ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #103
We have lots of weather women here on SoCal TV stations who are stopbush Jun 2017 #106
Because It's Weather ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #108
There is nothing wrong... Mike Nelson Jun 2017 #109
no - she has a horrible track record. Don't care two hoots what she looks like. rurallib Jun 2017 #111
A person's looks has nothing to do with ability or lack there of Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #112
I do not find her physically attractive. Especially the Lint Head Jun 2017 #113
No--she's another asshole ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #114
It's more about her RW sexist and racist bullshit. But like many who came up through bettyellen Jun 2017 #115
Attractiveness has nothing to do with it. Aristus Jun 2017 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #123
Lol. Right. Everyone's just jealous. It has nothing to do with "Santa is just white, OK?" Or with Squinch Jun 2017 #125
Made him look like a fool to you or me.... Thomas Hurt Jun 2017 #128
It's possible with some, I'm sure... EarthFirst Jun 2017 #129
zero Afromania Jun 2017 #131
Stop being mean to the pretty white girl! MyNameGoesHere Jun 2017 #137
So, how do you explain the anti-Greta feeling? lunamagica Jun 2017 #140
OP continues to defend this shit after told of her Black Santa and other racism JI7 Jun 2017 #143
If she had the same abilities you grant her treestar Jun 2017 #144
I'm thinking it's rather that her looks helped elevate her above other job-seekers. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #145
Not that it matters, but I don't find her attractive. Not at all. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #146
OMG, I don't think Megyn Kelly is physically attractive. Maybe she was 20 years onecent Jun 2017 #149
Actually the opposite Orrex Jun 2017 #151
If this is supposed to be a piss take, it's a pretty good one... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #153
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alpeduez21 Jun 2017 #154
Maybe some of it but definitely not all of it NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #156

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
6. Playing devil's advocate here: how does it work for us
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jun 2017

when we talk about the need for RWers to see the light and come over to the side of fairness and truth, but then refuse to accept them as allies (or at the least, not foes) when they walk away from the beast?

BTW - Kelly is an Independent who has voted for Rs and Ds.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
17. I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE IS DOING NOW
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jun 2017

when she pimped for FOX FUCKING NEWS and said garbage like SANTA CLAUS IS WHITE, she *LOST ALL CREDIBILITY*

SHE MAKES ME SICK

Orrex

(63,195 posts)
30. Her sincerity has yet to be demonstrated
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:17 PM
Jun 2017

She's voted for Rs and Ds? Bully for her.

She's also raked in millions while catapulting some of the most toxic Right-wing propaganda. Her choice to vote for Obama (or whoever) doesn't really offset the thousand and thousands whom she helped inspire to vote Republican.

It's not enough for Conservatives to claim to have rejected their stupid fuckhead idiocy. They need to demonstrate that they've had an actual change of heart.

Let Ms. Kelly demonstrate her sincerity before we accept that she's turned away from the dark side.

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
69. I was excited when Kelly left Fox News.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jun 2017

I assumed the best--that it was a principled decision. That she was sick of logic crushing spin. I believed the Ailes nonsense was never something she wanted to defend. When she attempted a voice of reason saying women shouldn't be assaulted, Gingrich just couldn't believe the nerve.

So she got herself out of that place. She actually has an opportunity to report facts now, maybe wear pants. How can that be a bad thing? Especially if Kelly has a red fan base that trusts her--that can only help everybody, right?

Then all this Alex Jones stuff started getting me nervous. Like we're just going to get Trojan Horsed by Kelly, Gretta, hell maybe Hannity will join NBC at some point?

I haven't seen the interview but I understand it didn't make Mr. Jones look great. I also read that it got poor ratings, yet my twitter feed was LIT with Alex Jones the week beforehand. That means substantially more people heard Alex was under attack than tuned in for the actual Alex burning. It all likely nets us a negative, as one thing I've learned for certain is that any perceived attack on the current rightwing ideology induces a complete shutdown of the prefrontal cortex. Once the 35% begin screaming self-defense statements that come out in a code I'm just beginning to understand, the only thing left to do is walk away and hope they wake up saner next week.

I have no way of knowing Kelly & Co's motives but I am very nervous about the sensational approach. Impassioned debate with RWers is failing absolutely and is failing us every time. I've been considering that the best way to get my dad to hear the word racism without telling me to go fuck myself is to give him a valium beforehand. Not being cheeky--the less emotion, less passion, less sensation, less stimulus, the better chance they can actually hear a fact and listen to it. Alex Jones is not the way to start that.

Change your tactics Ms. Kelly!

brush

(53,763 posts)
155. Why advocate for someone who gladly pushed right wing talking points and racism for years?
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:03 PM
Jun 2017

And now allegedly has had a Damascus Road conversion.

Get outta here.

We know what she is, and she's already haggled over the price with Lack.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
35. I have never heard anyone
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jun 2017

mock the maggot and his wife's age gap. Never. Not even once. Seriously.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. Maybe I've overlooked something...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jun 2017

===================================
"...but we shouldn't denigrate her abilities and takent based on her looks."
===================================

Is this actually happening? Who's doing that? Anything to support your argument?

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
7. She was one of the biggest Benghazi instigators on Fox.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jun 2017

And she normalized a man that profited off the deaths of 20 kids. She's lower than pond scum - regardless of how she looks.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
9. Working for Fox News has not helped her credibility.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jun 2017

She failed to earn her audience first. I look at her and Greta Van Sustern and just can't get beyond their Fox News days.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
11. Would you feel the same about Chris Wallace or Shep Smith
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jun 2017

were they to leave Faux for a legitimate network?

avebury

(10,952 posts)
15. I don't watch Fox but what little I have seen, Shep Smith never came across like he drank
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jun 2017

the Fox News Kool-Aid so I would watch him if he jumped ship. I don't know enough about Chris Wallace to guess how often he bucks the Fox News culture.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
59. Did she say Jesus was white? I remember the Santa is white claim.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:53 PM
Jun 2017

The sad thing is that if she had preceded those statements by saying "in these United States," she would have been spot on. Santa and Jesus ARE white as far as this country is concerned.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
67. Yes she said it.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jun 2017

The point was that historical Jesus was white which he most certainly was not...it is a racial thing...and she is a racist..so I don't care how good looking she is. I am a blonde and lets just say the most notable thing about me is not my eyes...and I was hit on, patted on the head (also short) and endured lots of comments at various workplaces...I have no problem with blondes and a great deal of sympathy for women in general having been there. I just don't like her. She is the sort that parades around in short skirt on TV when a suit. a professional looking dress or pants outfit would be more appropriate. and this makes some unenlightened guys think, we are all fair game. Women like her make it bad for the rest of us.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
77. Well, there was no historical Jesus. Total fabrication as befits the era
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jun 2017

and locale from which his myth sprang.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
93. Actually there is the mention of Jesus in history...whether he was a savior or not is the question.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:51 PM
Jun 2017

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
104. Mention from sources reporting 80 years after the fact that people
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:31 PM - Edit history (3)

believed he had lived decades before they lived. No contemporaneous sources whatsoever and numerous forgeries, like those in the writings of Josephus. No one claiming to actually have seen or heard him. No mention of him in contemporaneous Roman records. Just mention 70 years after his supposed death that people calling themselves Christians were walking around the area.

BTW - have you never heard of the cargo cults?

If Jesus lived, why doesn't St Paul talk about any of the supposed human life events in Jesus' life as portrayed in the gospels? Paul's writing predate the gospels by decades, yet he refers to Jesus as a purely spiritual being who existed in the spirit world. Not a corporeal being in any sense of the word.

I'm very well versed in the non-historicity of Jesus. Ask away and I'll gladly disencumber you of your beliefs that he was an historical figure, or that non-Xian "proof" exists to show he existed.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
134. I actually believe that history supports that a person called Jesus did live...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jun 2017

You can google it as easily as I ...what evidence there is...I am also a Christian...so what would be the point? I respect your right not to believe. Let's agree to disagree.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
147. That is your opinion...he is mentioned more than once in a variety of writings...different sources.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:27 AM
Jun 2017

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
152. No contemporaneous sources. Nothing written about him during his supposed life.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:11 AM
Jun 2017

To say that he is "mentioned" in ancient sources is meaningless, because outside of the Bible, there are NO references to his life or anything he supposedly said.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

But let me break it down for you: those claiming that Jesus is mentioned in ancient texts outside of the Buybull cite four sources. None of them prove the claim:

Josephus: there is mention of Jesus in what is called the Testimonium flavianum, which is part of his Antiquity of the Jews. This mention has been proved beyond a doubt to be a forgery, inserted into the work during the 4th century.

Tacitus: his Annals from 109CE report that Christians believe that a "Christus" was crucified by Pilate. But Tacitus is simply reporting a belief held by Christians, not acting as a non-Biblical source proving the existence of Jesus. In fact, Tacitus uses the word "Christus" as if it is a name, when it is not a name , but a title, like "president."

Pliny the Younger: in his Letter to Trajan of 112CE, Pliny relates how he dealt with people calling themselves Christians when they refused to honor the Roman gods. Contrary to the myth of Xians dying for their beliefs, Pliny reports that when given the choice of punishment or renouncing Jesus, most Xians renounced Jesus. Again, this is not in any way a confirmation of the existence of Jesus. It is simply a report on how Pliny dealt with people calling themselves Xians.

Suetonius:in his Lives of the Caesars, the author mentions a "Chrestus" a single time. He reports that this Chrestus was instigating disturbances in Rome. Unfortunately for the "Jesus is mentioned outside the Bible" crowd, Suetonius is writing about things that happened in Rome under the reign of Emperor Claudius in 49CE. Well, wrong place and wrong time, no? Last I looked, the Bible never claimed that Jesus traveled to Rome, and Jesus was supposedly crucified anywhere between 33-36CE.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS when it comes to your ancient sources.

You have been lied to by someone. Sad.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
133. There almost certainly was a guy, an itinerant rabbi or preacher
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jun 2017

who had a large following among the peasant class of the region, and was the model for the legends that grew up later (maybe the legends are a composite of several people). That guy would not have been an Aryan-looking blue-eyed blonde; he would have looked more like Yassir Arafat.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
148. Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. The point is,
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:01 AM
Jun 2017

whether Jesus was real or had been made up out of whole cloth, neither the real person nor the mythological person would have been an Aryan-looking white guy. Even a made-up Jesus would have looked like Yassir Arafat because he'd have been made up by first-century Middle-Easterners.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
75. total bs
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jun 2017

Santa is whatever people (especially children) want him to be

do you REALLY think Megyn would be against a deaf, signing Santa? She is either RACIST, or she was PANDERING TO RACIST FANS.....either way, she is SICKENING

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
136. Since Santa Claus is a mythical character, he can be any race at all.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:46 PM
Jun 2017

The fourth-century Greek St. Nicholas who the original legend was based on wouldn't have looked anything like the Jolly Old Elf, who was a nineteenth-century invention. But since the Santa Claus who comes down the chimney to bring presents is a kid's fairy tale, he doesn't have to look like a fourth-century Greek *or* a fat white guy in a red suit. He can look like anything you want to imagine him to look like. Megyn is a racist idiot.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
50. Those two have occasional fits of honesty. But some of the others -
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:40 PM
Jun 2017

the likes of Steve Doocy and Sean Hannity, for example - would be met with the same disdain and derision if they turned up on some other network. If you suck, you suck.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
82. Depends
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jun 2017

Kelly's interviewing Alex Jones and striving to legitimize him doesn't pass the legitimate work smell test to me.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
107. Did you watch the interview? If Jones had hoped Kelly was going to legitimize him
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jun 2017

he was sadly mistaken. She kicked his ass.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
121. She gave him mainstream exposure
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:55 PM
Jun 2017

He is a lie peddler of the worst kind, he hasn't earned even an ass-kicking on MSM.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
110. Wallace, no. He has done plenty of damage over the years.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jun 2017

Smith I might listen to but would be quite wary.

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. Odd, but recently I was wondering if her looks helped her get jobs.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jun 2017

She certainly uses her appearance to full advantage with her choice of attire, clothing that by any standard would be more appropriate on a date than in a profession workplace. That probably helps her secure more interviews, at least with certain types of men who feel flattered by the personal attentions of a pretty woman.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
14. She dresses no more inappropriately that many other women on TV.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jun 2017

And why would that even be an issue? She can dress however she wants. What is inappropriate dress on TV anyway?

Sorry, but the "look how she dresses" argument sounds a lot like the crap you hear from people blaming rape victims for choosing to dress how they want.

3catwoman3

(23,968 posts)
36. Exactly. I do not see any men behind...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

...newsdesks, whether it be the news itself, sports, or weather, in anything other than suits and ties. Sleeveless and cleavage display is not professional attire.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
56. You are defining professional attire from the perspective of what's
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jun 2017

appropriate for males.

Males generally wear a version of the power suit on TV. Cock-o-the-walk fashions dictated by the norms of Western fashion, the same way skirts are dicated as being the norm for women.

What is a necktie if not a phallic symbol, the longer, the better? The necktie is a replacement for the more overtly phallic codpiece.

What's worse? A woman going sleeveless or a man wearing a symbol of a penis on his shirt?

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
74. Am I? Perhaps you don't realize how much you've bought into men
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jun 2017

defining what's right and wrong in society.

Think about it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
46. What a concept.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jun 2017

It bugs me that female news anchors seem to be expected to be sleeveless even in the dead of winter, in what is probably an over-air-conditioned TV studio. Do their bosses have arm festishes? There's also a lot of cleavage. The men are dressed in conventional business attire - suits and ties - but the women are dressed like they're heading off to a nightclub after the news.

If men had to go sleeveless we'd have to see a lot of armpit hair, but that's probably not the reason.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
60. This is one of my major pet peeves.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:54 PM
Jun 2017

It makes me furious that women at many tv stations are expected to dress provocatively while the men dress professionally.

We should not still be tolerating this exploitation, as a society.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
119. Do you find it equally wrong that a man is expected
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:42 PM
Jun 2017

to wear a suit and tie mid-summer when the temps are in the 100s?

I see it all the time when on-location reporters deliver their stories from downtown LA or the beach.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
130. I think both men and women can and should dress professionally
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jun 2017

when on the air. A male reporter should be able to wear something like a polo shirt and khakis (business casual) when it's too hot to be comfortable in a suit. I think female reporters should be allowed to dress like the professional people they are. A female lawyer would not go to court in a sleeveless dress and showing cleavage (we have enough trouble being taken seriously as it is), so why should a female reporter or news anchor be expected to dress like she's at a party?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
139. That's strange. Here in South FL, male reportes who are working on location don't
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jun 2017

wear jackets or ties. They wear a dress shirt, and that's all year round, unless it gets too cold.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
138. Where are the hunky male news anchors wearing tight t-shirts
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:49 PM
Jun 2017

that show off their pecs and biceps? Why don't any of them look like cover models for romance paperbacks? That might be the closer analogy.

procon

(15,805 posts)
37. Hogwash.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

Outside of Fox, who wears cocktail to read the news? Sure, let's have the 'Naked News' then, and fat men in thongs hosting news shows by the standard you subscribe to. No, I strongly disagree with your assertion. Not counting the tawdry weather 'girls' who must have contractual clauses stipulating that they must always look like they stayed up all night partying, Kelly does not dress like other professional women in the news business. She dresses like a woman who still works at Fox News.

Women have worked had to get into that business and they still haven't made to the top tiers of power in broadcasting. Donning little tight dresses and stiletto heels might impress Fox audiences, but it does not make a journalist credible or respected. Focusing on women who must look attractive in seductive clothes to please a male audience only serves to exploit women. That archaic attitude continues to bolster the inequality of gender discrimination that says it's okay to see us as sexual objects rather than competent professionals.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
116. Yet apparently, dressing in cocktail and heels
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jun 2017

makes you less of a journalist, no matter your bona fides.

Is that what you're saying? Because what you're saying amounts to slut shaming.

procon

(15,805 posts)
118. Regardless of her fashion sense, giving airtime to a monstrosity like Jones
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:41 PM
Jun 2017

made her less of a journalist.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
120. How about her giving air time to Putin?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jun 2017

Is he less despicable than Jones?

What about any reporter giving air time to any despot?

procon

(15,805 posts)
124. Give it a rest.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jun 2017

By now it should be clear that I still disagree with you and that you have not persuaded me otherwise. Your arguments have dropped off to these repetitive, pointless whataboutisms, so we're done, yeah?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
150. "Slut shaming" would be saying she dresses like a hooker,
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:09 AM
Jun 2017

which she does not. She wears nice, probably very expensive party clothes, which would be just fine at a party. It is not "slut shaming" to say she does not dress appropriately for the occasion.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
48. I saw her in a picture of Putin and others where she is wearing a cocktail dress and they
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jun 2017

are dressed in professional suits...I will give Greta a high five that she wears suits and looks professional as does Rachael Maddow...Kelly does not dress professionally.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
100. I'm not sure
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

It always seemed to me that Maddow was uncomfortable in her signature jacket, no visible blouse look on her show.

She always dressed something like this before MSNBC show:



On air for her show the neckline always plunges. The first month or so of her show it was really obvious how uncomfortable she felt. But now it is sort of her signature look. (pic below is not showing her uncomfortable but the neckline for her broadcasts)



**************
Greta isn't even worth commenting on. No matter how she dresses, her time at FOXNEWS showed her to be anything but a professional journalist.

mopinko

(70,070 posts)
105. i remember one show early on where they had her made up
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:27 PM
Jun 2017

like a cosmo cover. that lasted exactly one night.

i have heard her say that she wears a uniform so as not to distract. she tries to fit in w chris and lawrence and brian.
i know she would be caught dead anywhere else in even that uniform.

but i suppose plenty of men on wear suits on the teevee, too.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
122. Thanks for the insight regarding her thoughts on the matter.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jun 2017

I do remember the extra makeup not going down too well (with her?). I guess the neckline was a compromise. One has to remember she was someone coming off of Air America getting a cable news show. It was a big step up and I guess she had to make concessions.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
73. I don't think it's her looks.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jun 2017

The responses I'm reading here make it clear what's at play. Women are held to a different standard.

Squinch

(50,935 posts)
127. Oh, Jesus. You're actually saying that someone commenting on glaringly unprofessional dress
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:27 PM
Jun 2017

is the same as someone blaming rape victims.

Just horrifying.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
132. Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:37 PM
Jun 2017

Because at root is the idea that women need to dress a certain way or risk being thought less of.

Your "glaringly unprofessional dress" sounds like mansplainin to me. It's slut shaming all the same.

 

Jacquette

(152 posts)
71. Word around the campfire? She secured a lot
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:17 PM
Jun 2017

more than interviews.Megyn got away from Fox when it got ugly over there but there's always been talk about her...let's just call it...cooperation with Fox upper management and ownership.

She not only survived but thrived in that snake pit fraternity for the Viagra set known as Fox. For years. Ever onward and upward. And she played the short, tight and sleeveless mandatory dress attire game willingly. Even when she had enough power to do as she pleased.

Nah. MK did some things to get ahead at Fox. Besides regular old jealousy, people see that as not legitimate.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. She is complicit in the deaths, the oppression, the sickening and the paupering of millions.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jun 2017

Full stop.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
18. If physical attractiveness in female or male for that matter video news personalities
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jun 2017

was cause to be against them, then who would we be for? Even the local news tends to hire only young good looking people, some of them are actually good.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
21. Amy Goodman. Christine Amanpour. Andrea Mitchell.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jun 2017

They certainly buck the trend of what TV considers to be conventional beauty.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. Quite a few other things as well... all of substance, none in regards to appearance.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jun 2017

I imagine her criticism is due more to her allegations that Santa Claus is white, the Michelle Obama was "race baiting" and "pandering to a culture of victim hood" during her commencement speech to Tuskegee University, defended LEO's treatment of Sandra Bland, calling a black girl body slammed by cops "no saint either...", downplayed a DoJ report that found racial bias and stereotyping in the Ferguson, Missouri and said it is unfair to "tar the entire organization" because "there are very few companies in America, whether they are public or private" where "you won't find any racist emails", used Ann Coulter's book as to defend Trump's immigration policies, suggested Sotomayor's 'estrogen-fueled temper' would be an issue.

Quite a few other things as well... all of substance, none in regards to appearance.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. How people look means nothing whatsoever to me and to many people
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jun 2017

She is much more than just pretty. I say so what?

What I find repulsive is her history with FOX news. If she can tow that line for years then she will tow any line at any time for however long. Once you sell your soul to the dark side there's nothing you won't sell it to.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
23. Personally, I prefer to watch the news and weather on the Univision channel...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jun 2017

For the initiated... Univision is the Spanish Noticias (or Spanish news channels).

The anchors and weather reporters are absolutely stunning. Univision news alone makes sitting through 4 years of Honors Spanish classes worth it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
97. Duh. The point was Kelly used them as a big black bogeyman to whip up
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jun 2017

Fox's old white racist viewer base into a frenzy, making it seem like Nat Turner's ghost was on the march.

Because a couple of NBPP stood outside a predominantly black voting place in Philly.

http://gawker.com/5587578/why-is-fox-news-megyn-kelly-obsessed-with-the-new-black-panthers

https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/07/megyn-kellys-minstrel-show/184788/

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Who is basing it on her looks?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jun 2017

For me - working at fox news when she knew both ailes and o'reilly were predators, insisting Santa Claus MUST be white, pushing benghazi and other non-scandals. Her LOOKS are the only reason she was acceptable at fox news. Perhaps that's what you're referring to.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
29. Wait...are you suggesting that our amazing Democratic women are NOT "pretty" -- cause that's nuts!
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jun 2017

Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Sally Yates, Gabby Giffords, Catherine Cortez Masto, Kamala Harris, etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on and on...

I don't know about you, but I take all of these women extremely seriously, while simultaneously acknowledging that they are all quite attractive.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
32. Our office email is being bombarded with anti-Megyn Kelly "fake news" spam
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jun 2017

hundreds of messages an hour, someone is sure invested in tearing her down and certainly "targeted" to offending conservative sensibilities.

Practically speaking I think a lot of people want to tear her down at the moment, the right because they perceive her to be a traitor and the left because, well that needs no explanation.

Although lashing out at privileged blondes/blonds never goes out of fashion around here.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
33. Her looks mean nothing to me.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jun 2017

What she says and what she stands for sickens me. I'm angry that NBC brought her on board at $15 Million. If I wanted to watch Fox shit, I would turn to that station.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
34. I suspect it is almost entirely political.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jun 2017

The right hates her as a traitor and many on the left do not trust her because she is from Fox.

I was surprised how good she was in the T epublican prI mary debate. She is pretty and smart, but she is in a weird position. Now of not having a natural base of support

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
63. She has a law degree and asked good questions,
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jun 2017

Including folow ones. Why do you think she is not smar?

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
96. That may be but she doesn't seem particularly intelligent to me...maybe she hides her intelligence
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:58 PM
Jun 2017

as some women unaccountably do.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
38. If You Say Santa Claus Is White
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jun 2017

on national TV and you aren't kidding, I don't care what color your hair is, your skin is, your eyes are, whatever. You could look like Shrek after getting run over by a tractor, and I'd still think you are a piece of garbage.

I dislike her because she seems to have no shame in terms of what she's willing to sell to her viewers. I find it insulting to my intelligence that the MSM is now trying to rebrand her as some 'legitimate' journalist. She didn't suddenly become 'reasonable' - she was either lying when at Faux or she's lying about what she's about now.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
40. Not in my book. I don't like her because she's a right-winger.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jun 2017

I didn't watch the interview because I don't like her and Alex Jones makes me puke, so I have no comment about that specifically. But IIRC she's the one who, when working for Fox, got her knickers in a twist because somebody thought it was OK for Santa Claus, a mythical person, to be black; she insisted he had to be white. And she claimed Jesus had to be white, too. She salso aid being pepper sprayed by cops was OK because it's just a food product. I don't care what she looks like - anybody who says dumbass stuff like that deserves no respect at all.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
41. I think it's a fair question.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jun 2017

I have seen her looks referenced here as a way to encapsulate her into a stereotype. Blatant sexism if you as me.

I'm not a fan of hers. Has nothing to do with her looks.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
42. No. She gave Jones a platform. I don't care how hard she was on him...he should not be on
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jun 2017

TV...It is comforting to me that few watched this...I will not watch any Fox people on MSNBC period...Kelly said Jesus and Santa Claus were white...she makes me sick.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
43. She worked for Fox news...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jun 2017

..She played the game and went along with every ounce of their bullshit, until she saw the writing on the wall and decided it was time to break free.

THAT is why most people are probably anti-Megyn Kelly.

The fact that she wanted to give Putin and Jones a national, network news platform to begin with is enough to question her judgement.

doc03

(35,324 posts)
47. If she wasn't physicaaly atttractive she would never have been on Fox News or any other
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jun 2017

TV news network.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
57. Katy Tur. Rachel. Joy. Hallie Jackson. All every bit as attractive.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jun 2017

I don't get the OP at all. Sadly, I think more conventionally pretty women get more jobs in front of the camera but it's been my DU experience that among the women who are admired or reviled Ms Kelly is not a physical standout.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
61. Don't really care about her one way or another.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jun 2017

I don't watch the major news networks so I don't know much about her.

Iggo

(47,547 posts)
62. "Santa just is white."
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:56 PM
Jun 2017

“I mean, Jesus was a white man too. He was a historical figure, that’s a verifiable fact, as is Santa — I just want the kids watching to know that.”

That ain't got nothin' to do with looks.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
65. By that logic, we should also hate Joy Reid, Jennifer Granholm,
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jun 2017

Katrina van den Heuvel, Stephanie Miller, and all of the other attractive, accomplished liberal women we see on TV. Yet, we don't.

As for Megyn Kelly, yes, she was hard on Alex Jones (who made himself look like a fool all by himself--because he is a fool.) But, that makes her a big, fat, stinking hypocrite, considering she spewed a lot of the same garbage he does when she was on that other network. THAT is why we dislike her, and not because of her looks. We'd despise her just as much if she was a man, or if she was homely or average-looking.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
66. None. It's about her affiliation with Fox. I ignore her with the same
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jun 2017

zeal that I ignore Greta, who doesn't look like Megan. I can't take ANY former Fox employee seriously at all, no way, no how.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
70. My favorite is Christiane Amanpour.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jun 2017

She is not conventionally pretty but I really like the way she looks. And she is such a seasoned reporter that I really listen to what she has to say. She has been all over the world in war zones, reporting from the field in flak jackets and helmets.

I just don't find Kelly to be very appealing. It is s not her looks. She is very attractive. She just doesn't seem like a very serious, seasoned reporter to me. How much time has she spent in the trenches like Amanpour?

You really have to prove that you aren't just another pretty blond bombshell that will attract men. Those kinds of women are a dime a dozen on tv. Reporting in cocktail dresses and spaghetti strap sun dresses doesn't helpo.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
79. Nope
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jun 2017

She is a right winger, I don't care what she looks like. I have real concerns now, this isn't Jr High.

SalviaBlue

(2,915 posts)
80. My opinion of her is based on the fact that she worked for Faux.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jun 2017

I certainly don't think that the fact that she is a lawyer by training and credentials indicates that she has some superior talent. So is Orly Taitz, Ann Coulter, Janine Pirro, etc.

I take many pretty people seriously, but I have no respect for a woman that chooses to join a propaganda network that uses women's sexuality to sell its lies.

Maybe Kelly is changing her ways and can rehab herself. For now, I will not waste my time watching her.

Moral Compass

(1,516 posts)
83. It is the opposite
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jun 2017

Megyn Kelly is beautiful. Stunning. Gorgeous.

Do people pick on her because she is so physically attractive?

I think the opposite is true. I think she has been given a pass over and over and over again because she is so stunningly beautiful.

Just imagine a physically unattractive woman taking the positions that she has taken and choosing to interview the people that she has chosen interview.

Just want example… Did Trump ever make nice with Rosie O'Donnell after their spats? No, but he sure did with Megyn Kelly.

I think she has a longer runway to failure than someone that isn't as attractive.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
86. The OP asked if DUers were holding her looks against her, not whether
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jun 2017

she did better among the general public based on her looks.

ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
85. Are you kidding? I would never purposely tune in to her show
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:39 PM
Jun 2017

I'm completely done with Fox News and EVERYTHING that spawned from it. Well, maybe I'd give Shepard Smith a probationary period (assuming he was forced on me by MSNBC, etc.).

Specifically regarding Kelly--She never struck me as someone with integrity. She came across just like O'Reilly--dishonest, loud, creating false equivalencies. Basically useless.

On top of that--last year, she decided not to alert voters to the harassment and threats she received from Trump. But then she was ready to talk after the election? F*ck that! She's irredeemable as far as I'm concerned. I know I'm not the target audience, but I don't find her attractive either.

 

moda253

(615 posts)
87. People here sure are addicted to
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

People here sure are addicted to finding things to feel guilty for... opr rather try and make other people feel guilty for things.

marybourg

(12,608 posts)
88. From my daily glimpses of cable tv when I visit
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jun 2017

the assisted living home and go to the gym, ALL female on-air staff (except for CNN's Pentagon reporter) are young and gorgeous. The men, OTOH, are middle aged and look it. So why single out that one (I don't think I've ever seen her, but she couldn't be any more beautiful than the rest)

kcr

(15,315 posts)
89. Got any other stereotypes about the left you want to drag out while you're at it?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jun 2017

I mean, since you've already gone with the one about how the women are ugly and bitter. You're on a roll!

Fla Dem

(23,635 posts)
94. Are you serious? I don't care what a person looks like. It's not their outer, it's their inner soul.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jun 2017

Geez, why would you think DUer's have a bias one way or the other about a person's looks. Yes, it probably was commented on that she was part of the bevy of attractive women hired by FOX, but that was more referring to their frat boy mentality. I personally don't like women being referred to as whores, skanks, bimbo's etc., it's demeaning, insulting and juvenile. I'd like to think educated, adult, compassionate, liberal Democrats wouldn't skink to that level of frat boy, Republican idiocy. You must think your fellow DUer's are a pretty shallow bunch if we judge people based on their attractiveness.

I seem to recall none of us were overjoyed that Greta was hired by msnbc either.

Response to stopbush (Original post)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. What specifically leads you to believe this underlying narrative you allege?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jun 2017

What specifically leads you to believe this underlying narrative you allege?

David__77

(23,367 posts)
101. I note that her appearance has been referenced in critical comments by some.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jun 2017

I've also seen other women, and men, have their appearance referenced in critical comments by others. Sometimes it's unfavorable; stating that the person is ugly somehow. Other times, it might imply that the person is a sort of empty suit, only in their position due to appearance. I do not think that if she were less conventionally attractive, that progressive-minded people would have a more favorable view of her.

catbyte

(34,362 posts)
102. I can't stand her because she's despicable. She's a propagandist & a liar. Plus that whole
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:22 PM
Jun 2017

"Santa Claus is white" thing was just plain weird. Her looks have nothing to do with it. I am, however, convinced that she was hired because of her looks. Her allegedly "hard hitting" interviews with Putin & Alex Jones were nothingburgers. She's no Barbara Walters.

ProfessorGAC

(64,981 posts)
103. None
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:23 PM
Jun 2017

We have a long time anchor on the Chicago news. An asian woman who was gorgeous when she was young, and is gorgeous now, 30 years later.

She didn't further her career, however, by doing stories and commentary based upon things not in evidence from the facts.

She did THE NEWS! Straightforward, truth telling of things that actually happened, or things people actually did or said. No obfuscation, no bending the information to fit a predefined narrative, no ignoring new stories that didn't fit that same narrative.

She's a pro, has earned and kept her self-respect and the respect of her viewers.

The vast majority of that description does NOT fit Kelly.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
106. We have lots of weather women here on SoCal TV stations who are
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jun 2017

extremely attractive. They do the weather as straight as any male. None of them seem to last past their mid-thirties as a TV personality. I wonder why.

ProfessorGAC

(64,981 posts)
108. Because It's Weather
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jun 2017

Not news, not journalism. And, your reply seems disconnected from your OP, and appears to ignore my post in which i described someone who has had that job, in a major market, for 3 decades.

On Edit: Tracy Butler has been the weather person on ABC 7 around here since the late 80's or so. That would make it IMPOSSIBLE for her to be in her mid-30's. She would have had to start when she was in 3rd grade.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
109. There is nothing wrong...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jun 2017

...with being physically attractive, but she promotes her physical attributes. For example, some of the promo pictures for the Putin interview had her in what looked like a dress you'd wear out specifically to attract a sexual partner... sleeveless, low-cut, snug fitting. The black party dress had a slit up to "there" in the front. The high heels pushed her figure out in the right places. Hair and make-up perfect. She dressed for nightclubbing, not professional journalism. At FOX, she played the game - tight mini-skirts, stools, glass tables, crotch level couches... plus she assured us Santa Claus was White.

Catmusicfan

(816 posts)
112. A person's looks has nothing to do with ability or lack there of
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:43 PM
Jun 2017

Kelly had no problem spewing the most vile sick and false claim for years. Her work on Faux "News" is a factor to the reason why this country has Trump and why we are so polarized.

We no longer see the each other as fellow citizens with a different view point- We now see each other as the enemy.

In my humble opinion THIS is what lead to Russia being able to do what they did. HELL look at what the Republicans did during the Gang of 8 meetings. McConnell probably know just how much Russia did. He probably had a good idea in July and what did that Ass do? He put his Party and greed of money (don't doubt for a fact money is being given to him in one form or another) above his country.


To ask a superficial question makes no sense. If a person can't see past a person's looks means they AREN'T fully engaged.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
115. It's more about her RW sexist and racist bullshit. But like many who came up through
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jun 2017

Fox, she likely got her big chance becasue she's blond and plastic.

Aristus

(66,310 posts)
117. Attractiveness has nothing to do with it.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jun 2017

I think Christiane Amanpour is gorgeous, but that doesn't add or detract from the fact that she is an excellent journalist.

If Megyn Kelly wants to be known as a good journalist, she needs to do the heavy lifting.

She's soft. When you gab for Fox viewers, you can spew any idiocy you want to, and get away with it. Other news outlets have higher standards. If she is unable to meet those higher standards, she should start studying for a real estate license, or marry a rich sugardaddy, or something...

Response to stopbush (Original post)

Squinch

(50,935 posts)
125. Lol. Right. Everyone's just jealous. It has nothing to do with "Santa is just white, OK?" Or with
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:19 PM
Jun 2017

the fact that she's legitimizing Alec Jones merely by the fact of interviewing him on a national network, OR with the fact she is building her career on the backs of dead six-year-olds and their grieving parents who begged her not to do what she did.

None of that has anything to do with it. It's just her looks.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
128. Made him look like a fool to you or me....
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:33 PM
Jun 2017

and a martyr for the right.....and the bonus that the paranoid bigot got national airtime.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
129. It's possible with some, I'm sure...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jun 2017

Fat shaming/pejoratives are widely used by some here at DU; so anything is possible.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
131. zero
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:37 PM
Jun 2017

The answer is that zero to zero% of the problems people have with her are related to how she looks. She's a right wing talking point shill who deserves to be criticized for being a knowing and complicit shill.

In fact, if she wasn't attractive she'd probably have never seen the light of day over on Fox Infotainment. Another infact, in that I sincerely doubt that this sort of OP would have been put up if she wasn't "attractive".

treestar

(82,383 posts)
144. If she had the same abilities you grant her
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:09 AM
Jun 2017

but was not attractive, do you think she'd have the job she has?

Nobody is prejudiced against her for being attractive. For a woman, that is never a negative.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
146. Not that it matters, but I don't find her attractive. Not at all.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:30 AM
Jun 2017

Normally I wouldn't bring it up- irrelevant to her abilities as a journalist, of course- but it's pertinent to the topic of your thread.

That said, I think the double whammy of having worked for FOX and the shit about Santa being white pissed people off. No one cares if she's attractive or not, IMHO.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
149. OMG, I don't think Megyn Kelly is physically attractive. Maybe she was 20 years
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jun 2017

ago on fox news...there's something to say about (being physically attractive 20 years ago or
she's still attractive today).....dear lord.

I looked at her make up hiding all that went down hill ALONG TIME AGO.
And Believe e I don't denigrate her abilities and talent based on her looks...YUK

Orrex

(63,195 posts)
151. Actually the opposite
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jun 2017

The more anti-Megyn Kelly stuff I see, the more physically attractive she becomes.


Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
154. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jun 2017

STOP IT!

She's a vilifying shill for the right.

I have heard her thoughts on the sexual harassment debacle at Fox. She took a stand after hearing other women at Fox speak. She took a stand b/c she had a powerful voice and realized, correctly, that most of the women doing the accusing would be cut from the herd and slaughtered. Good on ya, Kelly!

You're still a right wing fascist. You deliberately lied to the public about the right as all good and the left as all bad. You helped this current RW administration come into power.

OP: You open with her looks are hurting her among DUers. Provide evidence that is a trend here. I haven't seen it. Then you close saying we shouldn't just this fetid and putrid book by its cover while doing just that. It's possible she is hated b/c she is hateful.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
156. Maybe some of it but definitely not all of it
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jun 2017

or even most of it, is due to her being pretty. Personally, I don't like how she looks. Yes, she's pretty, but her makeup is applied with a trowel. I never liked that look.

Most of the dislike and distrust of her is because she toed the Fox line for years. I don't know and don't care how much she believed it; she still did it. Oh, and thanks for the mansplaining about feminism. Feminism does NOT mean supporting a women ONLY because she's a woman (please take note, guys who claimed that was true about Hillary Clinton). I would gladly support a woman journalist who has integrity as well as intelligence. Megyn Kelly has the former, but not the latter.

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