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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow much of the anti-Megyn Kelly stuff is due to her being physically attractive?
She's pretty. Does that hurt her among DUers?
I saw the Jones interview. She was very hard on him, made him look like a fool. I realize that to some extent, that's the way NBC decided to edit the interview. That happens all the time in these taped pieces. Unless you as the interviewee insist on a live interview shown in its entirety, you are at the mercy of the producer editing the piece how he will. But Kelly let the interview air as edited.
Kelly is a lawyer by training and credentials. She isn't just another blond woman put on TV as eye candy. Normally, DUers would be championing a woman with Kelly's credentials making it in a man's world. Sure, she has said some stupid things, and she did toe the Faux News line for years, but is it too much to believe that maybe she had enough of that and wants to turn over a new, more-serious leaf?
I get the feeling that the underlying narrative here is that pretty people can't be taken seriously. No one is asking anyone to take Kelly more seriously than someone else with her background and training, but we shouldn't denigrate her abilities and talent based on her looks.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)END.OF.STORY.
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)Has that person ever apologized for pushing far right propaganda. The bigotry and racism.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)when we talk about the need for RWers to see the light and come over to the side of fairness and truth, but then refuse to accept them as allies (or at the least, not foes) when they walk away from the beast?
BTW - Kelly is an Independent who has voted for Rs and Ds.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)when she pimped for FOX FUCKING NEWS and said garbage like SANTA CLAUS IS WHITE, she *LOST ALL CREDIBILITY*
SHE MAKES ME SICK
Orrex
(63,195 posts)She's voted for Rs and Ds? Bully for her.
She's also raked in millions while catapulting some of the most toxic Right-wing propaganda. Her choice to vote for Obama (or whoever) doesn't really offset the thousand and thousands whom she helped inspire to vote Republican.
It's not enough for Conservatives to claim to have rejected their stupid fuckhead idiocy. They need to demonstrate that they've had an actual change of heart.
Let Ms. Kelly demonstrate her sincerity before we accept that she's turned away from the dark side.
Corvo Bianco
(1,148 posts)I assumed the best--that it was a principled decision. That she was sick of logic crushing spin. I believed the Ailes nonsense was never something she wanted to defend. When she attempted a voice of reason saying women shouldn't be assaulted, Gingrich just couldn't believe the nerve.
So she got herself out of that place. She actually has an opportunity to report facts now, maybe wear pants. How can that be a bad thing? Especially if Kelly has a red fan base that trusts her--that can only help everybody, right?
Then all this Alex Jones stuff started getting me nervous. Like we're just going to get Trojan Horsed by Kelly, Gretta, hell maybe Hannity will join NBC at some point?
I haven't seen the interview but I understand it didn't make Mr. Jones look great. I also read that it got poor ratings, yet my twitter feed was LIT with Alex Jones the week beforehand. That means substantially more people heard Alex was under attack than tuned in for the actual Alex burning. It all likely nets us a negative, as one thing I've learned for certain is that any perceived attack on the current rightwing ideology induces a complete shutdown of the prefrontal cortex. Once the 35% begin screaming self-defense statements that come out in a code I'm just beginning to understand, the only thing left to do is walk away and hope they wake up saner next week.
I have no way of knowing Kelly & Co's motives but I am very nervous about the sensational approach. Impassioned debate with RWers is failing absolutely and is failing us every time. I've been considering that the best way to get my dad to hear the word racism without telling me to go fuck myself is to give him a valium beforehand. Not being cheeky--the less emotion, less passion, less sensation, less stimulus, the better chance they can actually hear a fact and listen to it. Alex Jones is not the way to start that.
Change your tactics Ms. Kelly!
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)brush
(53,763 posts)And now allegedly has had a Damascus Road conversion.
Get outta here.
We know what she is, and she's already haggled over the price with Lack.
BainsBane
(53,027 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)Orrex
(63,195 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)mock the maggot and his wife's age gap. Never. Not even once. Seriously.
HAB911
(8,874 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)The fact she worked at Fox. That's it.
MissB
(15,805 posts)It's the Faux News stench. That's all.
OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)===================================
"...but we shouldn't denigrate her abilities and takent based on her looks."
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Is this actually happening? Who's doing that? Anything to support your argument?
stopbush
(24,395 posts)consideration.
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)And she normalized a man that profited off the deaths of 20 kids. She's lower than pond scum - regardless of how she looks.
avebury
(10,952 posts)She failed to earn her audience first. I look at her and Greta Van Sustern and just can't get beyond their Fox News days.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)were they to leave Faux for a legitimate network?
avebury
(10,952 posts)the Fox News Kool-Aid so I would watch him if he jumped ship. I don't know enough about Chris Wallace to guess how often he bucks the Fox News culture.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)The sad thing is that if she had preceded those statements by saying "in these United States," she would have been spot on. Santa and Jesus ARE white as far as this country is concerned.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)The point was that historical Jesus was white which he most certainly was not...it is a racial thing...and she is a racist..so I don't care how good looking she is. I am a blonde and lets just say the most notable thing about me is not my eyes...and I was hit on, patted on the head (also short) and endured lots of comments at various workplaces...I have no problem with blondes and a great deal of sympathy for women in general having been there. I just don't like her. She is the sort that parades around in short skirt on TV when a suit. a professional looking dress or pants outfit would be more appropriate. and this makes some unenlightened guys think, we are all fair game. Women like her make it bad for the rest of us.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)and locale from which his myth sprang.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:31 PM - Edit history (3)
believed he had lived decades before they lived. No contemporaneous sources whatsoever and numerous forgeries, like those in the writings of Josephus. No one claiming to actually have seen or heard him. No mention of him in contemporaneous Roman records. Just mention 70 years after his supposed death that people calling themselves Christians were walking around the area.
BTW - have you never heard of the cargo cults?
If Jesus lived, why doesn't St Paul talk about any of the supposed human life events in Jesus' life as portrayed in the gospels? Paul's writing predate the gospels by decades, yet he refers to Jesus as a purely spiritual being who existed in the spirit world. Not a corporeal being in any sense of the word.
I'm very well versed in the non-historicity of Jesus. Ask away and I'll gladly disencumber you of your beliefs that he was an historical figure, or that non-Xian "proof" exists to show he existed.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)You can google it as easily as I ...what evidence there is...I am also a Christian...so what would be the point? I respect your right not to believe. Let's agree to disagree.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)To say that he is "mentioned" in ancient sources is meaningless, because outside of the Bible, there are NO references to his life or anything he supposedly said.
That is not an opinion. That is a fact.
But let me break it down for you: those claiming that Jesus is mentioned in ancient texts outside of the Buybull cite four sources. None of them prove the claim:
Josephus: there is mention of Jesus in what is called the Testimonium flavianum, which is part of his Antiquity of the Jews. This mention has been proved beyond a doubt to be a forgery, inserted into the work during the 4th century.
Tacitus: his Annals from 109CE report that Christians believe that a "Christus" was crucified by Pilate. But Tacitus is simply reporting a belief held by Christians, not acting as a non-Biblical source proving the existence of Jesus. In fact, Tacitus uses the word "Christus" as if it is a name, when it is not a name , but a title, like "president."
Pliny the Younger: in his Letter to Trajan of 112CE, Pliny relates how he dealt with people calling themselves Christians when they refused to honor the Roman gods. Contrary to the myth of Xians dying for their beliefs, Pliny reports that when given the choice of punishment or renouncing Jesus, most Xians renounced Jesus. Again, this is not in any way a confirmation of the existence of Jesus. It is simply a report on how Pliny dealt with people calling themselves Xians.
Suetonius:in his Lives of the Caesars, the author mentions a "Chrestus" a single time. He reports that this Chrestus was instigating disturbances in Rome. Unfortunately for the "Jesus is mentioned outside the Bible" crowd, Suetonius is writing about things that happened in Rome under the reign of Emperor Claudius in 49CE. Well, wrong place and wrong time, no? Last I looked, the Bible never claimed that Jesus traveled to Rome, and Jesus was supposedly crucified anywhere between 33-36CE.
THOSE ARE THE FACTS when it comes to your ancient sources.
You have been lied to by someone. Sad.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)who had a large following among the peasant class of the region, and was the model for the legends that grew up later (maybe the legends are a composite of several people). That guy would not have been an Aryan-looking blue-eyed blonde; he would have looked more like Yassir Arafat.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)whether Jesus was real or had been made up out of whole cloth, neither the real person nor the mythological person would have been an Aryan-looking white guy. Even a made-up Jesus would have looked like Yassir Arafat because he'd have been made up by first-century Middle-Easterners.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)Santa is whatever people (especially children) want him to be
do you REALLY think Megyn would be against a deaf, signing Santa? She is either RACIST, or she was PANDERING TO RACIST FANS.....either way, she is SICKENING
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)The fourth-century Greek St. Nicholas who the original legend was based on wouldn't have looked anything like the Jolly Old Elf, who was a nineteenth-century invention. But since the Santa Claus who comes down the chimney to bring presents is a kid's fairy tale, he doesn't have to look like a fourth-century Greek *or* a fat white guy in a red suit. He can look like anything you want to imagine him to look like. Megyn is a racist idiot.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)the likes of Steve Doocy and Sean Hannity, for example - would be met with the same disdain and derision if they turned up on some other network. If you suck, you suck.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)Kelly's interviewing Alex Jones and striving to legitimize him doesn't pass the legitimate work smell test to me.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)he was sadly mistaken. She kicked his ass.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)He is a lie peddler of the worst kind, he hasn't earned even an ass-kicking on MSM.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)Smith I might listen to but would be quite wary.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)She certainly uses her appearance to full advantage with her choice of attire, clothing that by any standard would be more appropriate on a date than in a profession workplace. That probably helps her secure more interviews, at least with certain types of men who feel flattered by the personal attentions of a pretty woman.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)And why would that even be an issue? She can dress however she wants. What is inappropriate dress on TV anyway?
Sorry, but the "look how she dresses" argument sounds a lot like the crap you hear from people blaming rape victims for choosing to dress how they want.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)where are the sleeveless men?
3catwoman3
(23,968 posts)...newsdesks, whether it be the news itself, sports, or weather, in anything other than suits and ties. Sleeveless and cleavage display is not professional attire.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)appropriate for males.
Males generally wear a version of the power suit on TV. Cock-o-the-walk fashions dictated by the norms of Western fashion, the same way skirts are dicated as being the norm for women.
What is a necktie if not a phallic symbol, the longer, the better? The necktie is a replacement for the more overtly phallic codpiece.
What's worse? A woman going sleeveless or a man wearing a symbol of a penis on his shirt?
you are REALLY reaching
stopbush
(24,395 posts)defining what's right and wrong in society.
Think about it.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)it's like arguing with a table leg
stopbush
(24,395 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)It bugs me that female news anchors seem to be expected to be sleeveless even in the dead of winter, in what is probably an over-air-conditioned TV studio. Do their bosses have arm festishes? There's also a lot of cleavage. The men are dressed in conventional business attire - suits and ties - but the women are dressed like they're heading off to a nightclub after the news.
If men had to go sleeveless we'd have to see a lot of armpit hair, but that's probably not the reason.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)It makes me furious that women at many tv stations are expected to dress provocatively while the men dress professionally.
We should not still be tolerating this exploitation, as a society.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)to wear a suit and tie mid-summer when the temps are in the 100s?
I see it all the time when on-location reporters deliver their stories from downtown LA or the beach.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)when on the air. A male reporter should be able to wear something like a polo shirt and khakis (business casual) when it's too hot to be comfortable in a suit. I think female reporters should be allowed to dress like the professional people they are. A female lawyer would not go to court in a sleeveless dress and showing cleavage (we have enough trouble being taken seriously as it is), so why should a female reporter or news anchor be expected to dress like she's at a party?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)wear jackets or ties. They wear a dress shirt, and that's all year round, unless it gets too cold.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)that show off their pecs and biceps? Why don't any of them look like cover models for romance paperbacks? That might be the closer analogy.
procon
(15,805 posts)Outside of Fox, who wears cocktail to read the news? Sure, let's have the 'Naked News' then, and fat men in thongs hosting news shows by the standard you subscribe to. No, I strongly disagree with your assertion. Not counting the tawdry weather 'girls' who must have contractual clauses stipulating that they must always look like they stayed up all night partying, Kelly does not dress like other professional women in the news business. She dresses like a woman who still works at Fox News.
Women have worked had to get into that business and they still haven't made to the top tiers of power in broadcasting. Donning little tight dresses and stiletto heels might impress Fox audiences, but it does not make a journalist credible or respected. Focusing on women who must look attractive in seductive clothes to please a male audience only serves to exploit women. That archaic attitude continues to bolster the inequality of gender discrimination that says it's okay to see us as sexual objects rather than competent professionals.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)makes you less of a journalist, no matter your bona fides.
Is that what you're saying? Because what you're saying amounts to slut shaming.
procon
(15,805 posts)made her less of a journalist.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)Is he less despicable than Jones?
What about any reporter giving air time to any despot?
procon
(15,805 posts)By now it should be clear that I still disagree with you and that you have not persuaded me otherwise. Your arguments have dropped off to these repetitive, pointless whataboutisms, so we're done, yeah?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)which she does not. She wears nice, probably very expensive party clothes, which would be just fine at a party. It is not "slut shaming" to say she does not dress appropriately for the occasion.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)are dressed in professional suits...I will give Greta a high five that she wears suits and looks professional as does Rachael Maddow...Kelly does not dress professionally.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)It always seemed to me that Maddow was uncomfortable in her signature jacket, no visible blouse look on her show.
She always dressed something like this before MSNBC show:
On air for her show the neckline always plunges. The first month or so of her show it was really obvious how uncomfortable she felt. But now it is sort of her signature look. (pic below is not showing her uncomfortable but the neckline for her broadcasts)
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Greta isn't even worth commenting on. No matter how she dresses, her time at FOXNEWS showed her to be anything but a professional journalist.
mopinko
(70,070 posts)like a cosmo cover. that lasted exactly one night.
i have heard her say that she wears a uniform so as not to distract. she tries to fit in w chris and lawrence and brian.
i know she would be caught dead anywhere else in even that uniform.
but i suppose plenty of men on wear suits on the teevee, too.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)I do remember the extra makeup not going down too well (with her?). I guess the neckline was a compromise. One has to remember she was someone coming off of Air America getting a cable news show. It was a big step up and I guess she had to make concessions.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The responses I'm reading here make it clear what's at play. Women are held to a different standard.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)is the same as someone blaming rape victims.
Just horrifying.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)Because at root is the idea that women need to dress a certain way or risk being thought less of.
Your "glaringly unprofessional dress" sounds like mansplainin to me. It's slut shaming all the same.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)Jacquette
(152 posts)more than interviews.Megyn got away from Fox when it got ugly over there but there's always been talk about her...let's just call it...cooperation with Fox upper management and ownership.
She not only survived but thrived in that snake pit fraternity for the Viagra set known as Fox. For years. Ever onward and upward. And she played the short, tight and sleeveless mandatory dress attire game willingly. Even when she had enough power to do as she pleased.
Nah. MK did some things to get ahead at Fox. Besides regular old jealousy, people see that as not legitimate.
demmiblue
(36,837 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Full stop.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)was cause to be against them, then who would we be for? Even the local news tends to hire only young good looking people, some of them are actually good.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)They certainly buck the trend of what TV considers to be conventional beauty.
procon
(15,805 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine her criticism is due more to her allegations that Santa Claus is white, the Michelle Obama was "race baiting" and "pandering to a culture of victim hood" during her commencement speech to Tuskegee University, defended LEO's treatment of Sandra Bland, calling a black girl body slammed by cops "no saint either...", downplayed a DoJ report that found racial bias and stereotyping in the Ferguson, Missouri and said it is unfair to "tar the entire organization" because "there are very few companies in America, whether they are public or private" where "you won't find any racist emails", used Ann Coulter's book as to defend Trump's immigration policies, suggested Sotomayor's 'estrogen-fueled temper' would be an issue.
Quite a few other things as well... all of substance, none in regards to appearance.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)She is much more than just pretty. I say so what?
What I find repulsive is her history with FOX news. If she can tow that line for years then she will tow any line at any time for however long. Once you sell your soul to the dark side there's nothing you won't sell it to.
JoeStuckInOH
(544 posts)For the initiated... Univision is the Spanish Noticias (or Spanish news channels).
The anchors and weather reporters are absolutely stunning. Univision news alone makes sitting through 4 years of Honors Spanish classes worth it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)her race-baiting regarding the New Black Panther Party was abhorrent.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Fox's old white racist viewer base into a frenzy, making it seem like Nat Turner's ghost was on the march.
Because a couple of NBPP stood outside a predominantly black voting place in Philly.
http://gawker.com/5587578/why-is-fox-news-megyn-kelly-obsessed-with-the-new-black-panthers
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/07/megyn-kellys-minstrel-show/184788/
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)For me - working at fox news when she knew both ailes and o'reilly were predators, insisting Santa Claus MUST be white, pushing benghazi and other non-scandals. Her LOOKS are the only reason she was acceptable at fox news. Perhaps that's what you're referring to.
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Sally Yates, Gabby Giffords, Catherine Cortez Masto, Kamala Harris, etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on and on...
I don't know about you, but I take all of these women extremely seriously, while simultaneously acknowledging that they are all quite attractive.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)hundreds of messages an hour, someone is sure invested in tearing her down and certainly "targeted" to offending conservative sensibilities.
Practically speaking I think a lot of people want to tear her down at the moment, the right because they perceive her to be a traitor and the left because, well that needs no explanation.
Although lashing out at privileged blondes/blonds never goes out of fashion around here.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)What she says and what she stands for sickens me. I'm angry that NBC brought her on board at $15 Million. If I wanted to watch Fox shit, I would turn to that station.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)The right hates her as a traitor and many on the left do not trust her because she is from Fox.
I was surprised how good she was in the T epublican prI mary debate. She is pretty and smart, but she is in a weird position. Now of not having a natural base of support
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)Including folow ones. Why do you think she is not smar?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)as some women unaccountably do.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)on national TV and you aren't kidding, I don't care what color your hair is, your skin is, your eyes are, whatever. You could look like Shrek after getting run over by a tractor, and I'd still think you are a piece of garbage.
I dislike her because she seems to have no shame in terms of what she's willing to sell to her viewers. I find it insulting to my intelligence that the MSM is now trying to rebrand her as some 'legitimate' journalist. She didn't suddenly become 'reasonable' - she was either lying when at Faux or she's lying about what she's about now.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)I didn't watch the interview because I don't like her and Alex Jones makes me puke, so I have no comment about that specifically. But IIRC she's the one who, when working for Fox, got her knickers in a twist because somebody thought it was OK for Santa Claus, a mythical person, to be black; she insisted he had to be white. And she claimed Jesus had to be white, too. She salso aid being pepper sprayed by cops was OK because it's just a food product. I don't care what she looks like - anybody who says dumbass stuff like that deserves no respect at all.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have seen her looks referenced here as a way to encapsulate her into a stereotype. Blatant sexism if you as me.
I'm not a fan of hers. Has nothing to do with her looks.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)TV...It is comforting to me that few watched this...I will not watch any Fox people on MSNBC period...Kelly said Jesus and Santa Claus were white...she makes me sick.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..She played the game and went along with every ounce of their bullshit, until she saw the writing on the wall and decided it was time to break free.
THAT is why most people are probably anti-Megyn Kelly.
The fact that she wanted to give Putin and Jones a national, network news platform to begin with is enough to question her judgement.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)....
doc03
(35,324 posts)TV news network.
REP
(21,691 posts)Deb
(3,742 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)I don't get the OP at all. Sadly, I think more conventionally pretty women get more jobs in front of the camera but it's been my DU experience that among the women who are admired or reviled Ms Kelly is not a physical standout.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)I don't watch the major news networks so I don't know much about her.
Iggo
(47,547 posts)I mean, Jesus was a white man too. He was a historical figure, thats a verifiable fact, as is Santa I just want the kids watching to know that.
That ain't got nothin' to do with looks.
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)Katrina van den Heuvel, Stephanie Miller, and all of the other attractive, accomplished liberal women we see on TV. Yet, we don't.
As for Megyn Kelly, yes, she was hard on Alex Jones (who made himself look like a fool all by himself--because he is a fool.) But, that makes her a big, fat, stinking hypocrite, considering she spewed a lot of the same garbage he does when she was on that other network. THAT is why we dislike her, and not because of her looks. We'd despise her just as much if she was a man, or if she was homely or average-looking.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)zeal that I ignore Greta, who doesn't look like Megan. I can't take ANY former Fox employee seriously at all, no way, no how.
Vinca
(50,255 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)She is not conventionally pretty but I really like the way she looks. And she is such a seasoned reporter that I really listen to what she has to say. She has been all over the world in war zones, reporting from the field in flak jackets and helmets.
I just don't find Kelly to be very appealing. It is s not her looks. She is very attractive. She just doesn't seem like a very serious, seasoned reporter to me. How much time has she spent in the trenches like Amanpour?
You really have to prove that you aren't just another pretty blond bombshell that will attract men. Those kinds of women are a dime a dozen on tv. Reporting in cocktail dresses and spaghetti strap sun dresses doesn't helpo.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)She is a right winger, I don't care what she looks like. I have real concerns now, this isn't Jr High.
SalviaBlue
(2,915 posts)I certainly don't think that the fact that she is a lawyer by training and credentials indicates that she has some superior talent. So is Orly Taitz, Ann Coulter, Janine Pirro, etc.
I take many pretty people seriously, but I have no respect for a woman that chooses to join a propaganda network that uses women's sexuality to sell its lies.
Maybe Kelly is changing her ways and can rehab herself. For now, I will not waste my time watching her.
Moral Compass
(1,516 posts)Megyn Kelly is beautiful. Stunning. Gorgeous.
Do people pick on her because she is so physically attractive?
I think the opposite is true. I think she has been given a pass over and over and over again because she is so stunningly beautiful.
Just imagine a physically unattractive woman taking the positions that she has taken and choosing to interview the people that she has chosen interview.
Just want example
Did Trump ever make nice with Rosie O'Donnell after their spats? No, but he sure did with Megyn Kelly.
I think she has a longer runway to failure than someone that isn't as attractive.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)she did better among the general public based on her looks.
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)I'm completely done with Fox News and EVERYTHING that spawned from it. Well, maybe I'd give Shepard Smith a probationary period (assuming he was forced on me by MSNBC, etc.).
Specifically regarding Kelly--She never struck me as someone with integrity. She came across just like O'Reilly--dishonest, loud, creating false equivalencies. Basically useless.
On top of that--last year, she decided not to alert voters to the harassment and threats she received from Trump. But then she was ready to talk after the election? F*ck that! She's irredeemable as far as I'm concerned. I know I'm not the target audience, but I don't find her attractive either.
moda253
(615 posts)People here sure are addicted to finding things to feel guilty for... opr rather try and make other people feel guilty for things.
marybourg
(12,608 posts)marybourg
(12,608 posts)the assisted living home and go to the gym, ALL female on-air staff (except for CNN's Pentagon reporter) are young and gorgeous. The men, OTOH, are middle aged and look it. So why single out that one (I don't think I've ever seen her, but she couldn't be any more beautiful than the rest)
kcr
(15,315 posts)I mean, since you've already gone with the one about how the women are ugly and bitter. You're on a roll!
Fla Dem
(23,635 posts)Geez, why would you think DUer's have a bias one way or the other about a person's looks. Yes, it probably was commented on that she was part of the bevy of attractive women hired by FOX, but that was more referring to their frat boy mentality. I personally don't like women being referred to as whores, skanks, bimbo's etc., it's demeaning, insulting and juvenile. I'd like to think educated, adult, compassionate, liberal Democrats wouldn't skink to that level of frat boy, Republican idiocy. You must think your fellow DUer's are a pretty shallow bunch if we judge people based on their attractiveness.
I seem to recall none of us were overjoyed that Greta was hired by msnbc either.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What specifically leads you to believe this underlying narrative you allege?
David__77
(23,367 posts)I've also seen other women, and men, have their appearance referenced in critical comments by others. Sometimes it's unfavorable; stating that the person is ugly somehow. Other times, it might imply that the person is a sort of empty suit, only in their position due to appearance. I do not think that if she were less conventionally attractive, that progressive-minded people would have a more favorable view of her.
catbyte
(34,362 posts)"Santa Claus is white" thing was just plain weird. Her looks have nothing to do with it. I am, however, convinced that she was hired because of her looks. Her allegedly "hard hitting" interviews with Putin & Alex Jones were nothingburgers. She's no Barbara Walters.
ProfessorGAC
(64,981 posts)We have a long time anchor on the Chicago news. An asian woman who was gorgeous when she was young, and is gorgeous now, 30 years later.
She didn't further her career, however, by doing stories and commentary based upon things not in evidence from the facts.
She did THE NEWS! Straightforward, truth telling of things that actually happened, or things people actually did or said. No obfuscation, no bending the information to fit a predefined narrative, no ignoring new stories that didn't fit that same narrative.
She's a pro, has earned and kept her self-respect and the respect of her viewers.
The vast majority of that description does NOT fit Kelly.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)extremely attractive. They do the weather as straight as any male. None of them seem to last past their mid-thirties as a TV personality. I wonder why.
ProfessorGAC
(64,981 posts)Not news, not journalism. And, your reply seems disconnected from your OP, and appears to ignore my post in which i described someone who has had that job, in a major market, for 3 decades.
On Edit: Tracy Butler has been the weather person on ABC 7 around here since the late 80's or so. That would make it IMPOSSIBLE for her to be in her mid-30's. She would have had to start when she was in 3rd grade.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)...with being physically attractive, but she promotes her physical attributes. For example, some of the promo pictures for the Putin interview had her in what looked like a dress you'd wear out specifically to attract a sexual partner... sleeveless, low-cut, snug fitting. The black party dress had a slit up to "there" in the front. The high heels pushed her figure out in the right places. Hair and make-up perfect. She dressed for nightclubbing, not professional journalism. At FOX, she played the game - tight mini-skirts, stools, glass tables, crotch level couches... plus she assured us Santa Claus was White.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)Catmusicfan
(816 posts)Kelly had no problem spewing the most vile sick and false claim for years. Her work on Faux "News" is a factor to the reason why this country has Trump and why we are so polarized.
We no longer see the each other as fellow citizens with a different view point- We now see each other as the enemy.
In my humble opinion THIS is what lead to Russia being able to do what they did. HELL look at what the Republicans did during the Gang of 8 meetings. McConnell probably know just how much Russia did. He probably had a good idea in July and what did that Ass do? He put his Party and greed of money (don't doubt for a fact money is being given to him in one form or another) above his country.
To ask a superficial question makes no sense. If a person can't see past a person's looks means they AREN'T fully engaged.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)the horse nostrils.
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)Plenty of attractive assholes.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Fox, she likely got her big chance becasue she's blond and plastic.
Aristus
(66,310 posts)I think Christiane Amanpour is gorgeous, but that doesn't add or detract from the fact that she is an excellent journalist.
If Megyn Kelly wants to be known as a good journalist, she needs to do the heavy lifting.
She's soft. When you gab for Fox viewers, you can spew any idiocy you want to, and get away with it. Other news outlets have higher standards. If she is unable to meet those higher standards, she should start studying for a real estate license, or marry a rich sugardaddy, or something...
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Squinch
(50,935 posts)the fact that she's legitimizing Alec Jones merely by the fact of interviewing him on a national network, OR with the fact she is building her career on the backs of dead six-year-olds and their grieving parents who begged her not to do what she did.
None of that has anything to do with it. It's just her looks.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)and a martyr for the right.....and the bonus that the paranoid bigot got national airtime.
EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)Fat shaming/pejoratives are widely used by some here at DU; so anything is possible.
Afromania
(2,768 posts)The answer is that zero to zero% of the problems people have with her are related to how she looks. She's a right wing talking point shill who deserves to be criticized for being a knowing and complicit shill.
In fact, if she wasn't attractive she'd probably have never seen the light of day over on Fox Infotainment. Another infact, in that I sincerely doubt that this sort of OP would have been put up if she wasn't "attractive".
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)That is all, you an go about your lives now.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)but was not attractive, do you think she'd have the job she has?
Nobody is prejudiced against her for being attractive. For a woman, that is never a negative.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Normally I wouldn't bring it up- irrelevant to her abilities as a journalist, of course- but it's pertinent to the topic of your thread.
That said, I think the double whammy of having worked for FOX and the shit about Santa being white pissed people off. No one cares if she's attractive or not, IMHO.
onecent
(6,096 posts)ago on fox news...there's something to say about (being physically attractive 20 years ago or
she's still attractive today).....dear lord.
I looked at her make up hiding all that went down hill ALONG TIME AGO.
And Believe e I don't denigrate her abilities and talent based on her looks...YUK
Orrex
(63,195 posts)The more anti-Megyn Kelly stuff I see, the more physically attractive she becomes.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,751 posts)STOP IT!
She's a vilifying shill for the right.
I have heard her thoughts on the sexual harassment debacle at Fox. She took a stand after hearing other women at Fox speak. She took a stand b/c she had a powerful voice and realized, correctly, that most of the women doing the accusing would be cut from the herd and slaughtered. Good on ya, Kelly!
You're still a right wing fascist. You deliberately lied to the public about the right as all good and the left as all bad. You helped this current RW administration come into power.
OP: You open with her looks are hurting her among DUers. Provide evidence that is a trend here. I haven't seen it. Then you close saying we shouldn't just this fetid and putrid book by its cover while doing just that. It's possible she is hated b/c she is hateful.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)or even most of it, is due to her being pretty. Personally, I don't like how she looks. Yes, she's pretty, but her makeup is applied with a trowel. I never liked that look.
Most of the dislike and distrust of her is because she toed the Fox line for years. I don't know and don't care how much she believed it; she still did it. Oh, and thanks for the mansplaining about feminism. Feminism does NOT mean supporting a women ONLY because she's a woman (please take note, guys who claimed that was true about Hillary Clinton). I would gladly support a woman journalist who has integrity as well as intelligence. Megyn Kelly has the former, but not the latter.