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Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:26 PM Jun 2017

Ossoff lost because he is a Democrat.

That's it, really. I don't think there is any other reason. The one thing that unites most Republicans, well, it isn't tax policy. And it isn't racial resentment. It isn't even hating "the gays".

It's that they like to see Democrats lose. It's a trip for them. The idea that Democrats might celebrate, might be on top for once, is too much for many of them to tolerate.

See this link for more.

Oh, and this tweetstorm,


makes a related point.
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Ossoff lost because he is a Democrat. (Original Post) Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 OP
Yep! Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #1
But didn't he almost win the initial election? leftstreet Jun 2017 #2
He got 48%. Rs totaled to 51%. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #3
But he didn't and that allowed GOoPers geek tragedy Jun 2017 #5
Once it became clear that they had a race on their hands Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #10
There were 3 other Republicans running then BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #6
Ah leftstreet Jun 2017 #8
your point is valid, and that was the only way we would have won, if there wasn't a still_one Jun 2017 #9
Yep. I think politics has become more like sports. Your team might suck but you stick Luciferous Jun 2017 #4
It's probably because I spend too much time on twitter Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #7
I know, the comments are awful. Luciferous Jun 2017 #11
We have to wake up. Even if there was no foul play, ecstatic Jun 2017 #12
I won't argue with you...those are worries. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #13
We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited" JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #14
No, most people cannot admit they made a mistake Motownman78 Jun 2017 #15
Might take a lot of pain Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #16
It will Motownman78 Jun 2017 #18
another tweetstorm that I think gets at it. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #17
He lost because our voting system is corrupted. 7wo7rees Jun 2017 #19
Would like to see some evidence. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #20
Greg Palast, not a "loon" 7wo7rees Jun 2017 #22
That keeps them going. kentuck Jun 2017 #21

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
2. But didn't he almost win the initial election?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jun 2017

Not sure if I read it correctly, but there would have been no runoff if he'd nudged up a couple of percentage points

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
3. He got 48%. Rs totaled to 51%.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jun 2017

I think he got 47% now. Basically the Republicans held all their voters and then turned out some more.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
10. Once it became clear that they had a race on their hands
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:38 PM
Jun 2017

I knew it was over for us. Ossoff had to win the first round.

I kept my mouth shut cause I didn't want to talk down a lot of good folks working for him, but I viewed this as a test of the "it's all tribalism" hypothesis.

My gut told me that R's would turn out strongly when it became clear an R might lose. I think this more or less validates that idea. Look at the SC race tonight...we almost won it with no campaign...because the R tribe wasn't activated by fear of a loss.

2018...that will be harder for them. I don't think they can activate every district like this. At least, I hope not.

BannonsLiver

(16,368 posts)
6. There were 3 other Republicans running then
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:31 PM
Jun 2017

When their choice was made clear they rallied around the party label. Simple as that.

still_one

(92,123 posts)
9. your point is valid, and that was the only way we would have won, if there wasn't a
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:37 PM
Jun 2017

runoff, because the other republicans in that race played against each other, but not in the runoff



Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
4. Yep. I think politics has become more like sports. Your team might suck but you stick
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jun 2017

with them no matter what. They enjoy watching us lose so they can gloat.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
7. It's probably because I spend too much time on twitter
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:34 PM
Jun 2017

but that's all I see. Nasty comments from gloating Republicans. The Nevertrumpers I follow, most of them avoid this. But even they get a small charge out of seeing Dems lose.

We aren't nearly that tribal. I'm not sure it would be a good thing if we were.

But they've had DECADES of media inculcating that tribal mentality. DUMBOCRATS. DEMOCRAPS. LIBTARDS.
What matters to them is being the in-group.

This train is going to a really bad place.

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
12. We have to wake up. Even if there was no foul play,
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:41 PM
Jun 2017

We have to ask ourselves: Are paperless, easily hackable e-voting machines consistent with a so called democracy? Is voter purging OK? Absolutely not!

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
13. I won't argue with you...those are worries.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:46 PM
Jun 2017

But this loss wasn't that. This was a white, well-off suburban district. It's rolls don't get purged and we don't see suppression and the like. These are the votes that are SUPPOSED to count in a racist and classist society.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
14. We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited"
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:52 PM
Jun 2017

over and over and over and.....well...over.

 

Motownman78

(491 posts)
15. No, most people cannot admit they made a mistake
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:30 AM
Jun 2017

Especially ego-driven Republicans. Look at all the CYA in the workplace. Only when they start feeling pain will they change.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
22. Greg Palast, not a "loon"
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:27 PM
Jun 2017

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But then I guess that depends on your definition of "loon",
Kinda like "well that depends on what your definition of is, is....."

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
21. That keeps them going.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jun 2017

They hate their Party. But they hate Democrats more. Democrats need to learn not to stir them up. Don't make the races a referendum on their mistakes. They never admit them.

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