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kentuck

(111,076 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:54 AM Jun 2017

The problem for the Democrats, as I see it...

It is, that for every voter that we inspire to vote for Democrats, we energize two Republicans to vote against them. The one issue that is paramount to today's Republicans is their hatred for Democrats and anything "liberal". It unites them like nothing else.

So, the problem is, how do we inspire Democrats to vote without energizing the Republican base? The more their flaws are pointed out, the more inclined they are to get to the polls to prove you wrong. Nobody likes to be called an "idiot".

Therein, lies the challenge for the Democratic Party, in my opinion. They would much rather vote against something than for something. And if they can vote against a "liberal", that is all they need.

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ck4829

(35,042 posts)
1. There are people who would rather sell their child into slavery than agree with a liberal
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jun 2017

Breitbart, Worldnetdaily, Fox News, etc. organizes them. We can't change them, we need to out-organize them.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
2. Republicans cannot believe that Pres. Obama won 2X under their watch & not gonna take it from DEMS
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:02 AM
Jun 2017

or from POC. They will suppress and other such stuff. They will fake news & other tricks. They will obstruct like there is no tomorrow.

Their racism got very exquisite during Obama's Presidency. It marinated and now it is this pus that festers and stinks everything they touch. Charming they!


 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
3. we need to assert our values and beliefs and how we can make voters' lives better
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jun 2017

Yes, the Rs have been very effective in getting voters to vote against the "liberals". In GA, they were able to put a Pelosi target on Ossoff's back.

I think we need to worry about energizing our voters to vote. To do that, we need a positive message. By positive, I mean we need to be clear what we stand for, how we will make voters' lives better....rather than just voting against Trump. Yes we need to attack Trump and Trumpcare and the rest of the R ideas. But we need to, every time we attack them, finish the sentence with what we will do different. If we are telling folks, in ways that they can understand, what we stand for....it will be more difficult for the Rs to simply brand us as being "liberals"....

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
6. Why didn't Ossoff put a Trump target on Handel's back?
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:14 AM
Jun 2017

By all accounts, from ads to debates, he let her skate

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
8. He knew he needed to get votes from the center
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:33 AM
Jun 2017

and some of those people voted for Trump, he didn't want to insult them. However, the case can be made that he lost more votes from the most progressive side in exchange for the ones that he got from that center.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
10. In my view, he should have
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jun 2017

Yes, it appears Handel was able to avoid Trump. Ossoff should have nailed her on Trump. The Trumpers were not going to vote for Ossoff anyway...but there are some Rs who don't like Trump and Ossoff could have peeled a few of them to his side.

Particularly on Trumpcare, Ossoff should have gone full speed ahead.

However, being anti-Trump or anti-anything is not enough, in my view.

We need to articulate how our party can help voters' lives more than the Rs.

We have some winning issues. We need to formulate them into a coherent plan with a catchy phrase to get our message across.
Without that, it is painfully easy for the Rs to define us.....

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
5. I don't know...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:11 AM
Jun 2017

...but I know that whatever we are doing, and whatever we have been doing is not working.

I also don't think it's simply a matter of turning a switch. I think it's a long, hard slog ahead of us to course correct. I could get into specifics of what I think in terms of that course correction but there are far too many people on here who don't want to hear that the Democratic party is doing anything wrong at all and that we don't need to change anything, and I just don't feel like getting into it today.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
7. There is no "the problem".
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

Different races have different problems.

I think our biggest problem is gerrymandering, but after that I would contend it is our spotty record on inspiring turnout in key races. Republicans are a numerical minority, and if 2008 is any indication, we can easily overwhelm them if we can get our people out to vote.

hadEnuf

(2,186 posts)
9. We need to insure that every able Democrat votes. It has to be a team effort from all,
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:38 AM
Jun 2017

with the tools in place to back it up. 50 state strategy maybe? Start tying up these voter disenfranchising purges in court? Craft a simple, clear and concise message and bring all who are like minded on board. Make the difference in choices clear.

I believe that Dems, Independents, Progressives, etc. well out number the GOP and that's why the RW has targeted GOTV operations relentlessly. Having a large amount of people on our side not vote out of apathy makes it possible for these "cliffhanger elections" that always seem to coincidentally get tilted to the GOP (most likely with some computer hacking helpers).

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. This may sound odd ...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jun 2017

But I don't think we particularly help when we pour in money to a local campaign from the outside. There was an article today in the NYT, complete with graphs (print version; I can't find it for you online, probably because it has a different headline). Just to sum it up, in direct campaign donations, Ossoff raised a whopping $23.6 million, Handel only $4.5 million—but the vast majority of Ossoff's was from out of state. Outside of Georgia, these donations to Osoff came largely from CA, NY, and MA—huge amounts—with smaller amounts from a host of other states.

I think people not only resent these outside attempts to get involved in what locals see as their own unique business, but it rallies the opposition to outperform, just to retain their local identity. I think that the funds the parties raise to help (DNC, RNC) are seen as less intrusive, because voters tend to understand that parties are meant to support their own candidates in races across the country. But most effective of all is money from outside sources—super PACs. They can be totally anonymous. So while we think they're wrong, they work.

In total outside money—that is to say, money from party committees and super PACS—Handel had the huge advantage. She had more than $18.2 million, equally from the Congressional Leadership Fund, the NRCC, and "other groups," whereas Ossoff had only a total of $7.6 million, mostly from the DCCC and only $2 million from "other groups."

Both candidates got a lot of money, but the sources were different. Our people-powered national funding may work for a presidential election, but in state or Congressional elections, I think it backfires. Better to send your check or online donation to the DCCC or an interest-group PAC (Vote Vets, etc.) than directly to a local candidates campaign is my conclusion. We have to get over this reluctance to donate to the DNC, DSCC, and DCCC in favor of making donations to individual campaigns. Institutions work, and especially when it comes to local races.

All this said, the Republicans should not take so much solace from their win here, and we should not so much despair: In a district that the Republican won by 23 points in 2016, the Democrat lost by a margin of less than 4 points just a year later. To me, that's a bit of a victory and a sign of rise. While winner takes all, of course, in gaining a House seat, we still made huge strides here.

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
12. 75% correct
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

you accurate note the root problem (their complete dogma against all things "liberal), but the statement is assigning blame to democrats for "energizing" republicans.

This is directly what republicans do and liberals tend to go along with it.

"Hillary is divisive" - no, she is not divisive, republicans lose their shit about her, that is 100 percent about them, not her.

We tap dance around them too much.

They are going act like jackasses, take offense and get all bent out of shape if the evil liberal boogyman so much as draws breath.

There is literally nothing we could say, no way to craft messages, etc. that they aren't going to scream SOCIALISTS, HATE AMERICA, etc.

Gotta do both - have the clear message and framing AND go after their asses.

The problem, basically, is bringing sporks to a fight where they bring chainsaws.

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
13. Younger energy, leaner government, an actual plan to reduce the deficit, improved healthcare for
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:24 AM
Jun 2017

less cost, a promise to get out of Syria, clean energy, and fiscal conservatism.

I believe that the Democratic Party fell off the wagon in 2016. We got a Clinton when we desperately needed another Obama.

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