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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:11 PM Jun 2017

The Sky is Not Falling

A House District that has voted republican since 1979 voted that way again yesterday.

That's the only postmortem we need.

That it was closer than usual is a good thing but not a ground shattering moment.

Stop saying that we need to fire Pelosi or rethink our platform or strategies.


Now let's get back to piling on trump and drive him from office.

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The Sky is Not Falling (Original Post) NightWatcher Jun 2017 OP
Well said Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #1
I agree, and thank you! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #2
Why did Trump pick Tom Price for HHS? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #3
Yep. GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #9
We need to avoid a sour grapes fallacy. J_William_Ryan Jun 2017 #4
We will not win elections in deep red states...there are some we may win... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #15
District lines are drawn every 10 years, people move more often IronLionZion Jun 2017 #18
Not competititive enough for us to win...millions more votes were cast for the Democrats Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #21
We need to win state legislatures IronLionZion Jun 2017 #23
agreed. refer everyone to pic of the day. niyad Jun 2017 #5
K&R !!!!! secondwind Jun 2017 #6
Agreed. I survived 1994 midterms, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2014, 2016, etc.. muntrv Jun 2017 #7
Kick. Rec. GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #8
Not the whole sky by any means Wabbajack_ Jun 2017 #10
And that my friend...is why we lose...blame blame and more blame for the only Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #12
When we haven't won a competitive election in nearly 6 years liskddksil Jun 2017 #11
No, we need to end the gerrymander and stop fighting among ourselves...we need a loyal and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #13
We can't end gerrymanders until after the 2020 census, and to do that we need to be in power liskddksil Jun 2017 #27
that is not really true...I think the gerrymander is losing its effectiveness... and with Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #30
We should hire hackers so that we can win next time NightWatcher Jun 2017 #14
The Democratic Party tiredtoo Jun 2017 #16
Agree but cubbies01 Jun 2017 #17
"the younger folks are less susceptible to this stuff" FiveGoodMen Jun 2017 #25
amen that tiredtoo Jun 2017 #28
And it's no mandate for trumpcare Chakaconcarne Jun 2017 #19
"Stop saying that we need to fire Pelosi or rethink our platform or strategies. " I agree on Pelosi Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #20
Multiple sources are representing this is an unusual crushing defeat Moral Compass Jun 2017 #22
With this attitude, prepare for a long future of "postmortem(s)! HenryWallace Jun 2017 #24
Well put sir, well put. EOM tiredtoo Jun 2017 #29
And with the attitude that gains are nothing, we will have a future of even more postmortem(s) ehrnst Jun 2017 #31
we will overcome! samnsara Jun 2017 #26

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
3. Why did Trump pick Tom Price for HHS?
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jun 2017

-just apart from the fact that he's a right-wing nutbag. Price was chosen over other right-wing nutbags because the GOP was confident that the seat he was vacating was safe. Republicans voted for a Republican in a Republican district - quelle surprise. I am encouraged by the fact that the election was as close as it was, considering that for the last 40 years the GOPer always won by huge margins. Some years the Dems didn't even have a candidate. The sky is not falling at all, but it will take time and a lot of work to right the ship.

J_William_Ryan

(1,753 posts)
4. We need to avoid a sour grapes fallacy.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jun 2017

The frustrating fact is that this is the type of election we need to win to have any hope of turning the political tide.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
15. We will not win elections in deep red states...there are some we may win...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:43 PM
Jun 2017

The House is gerrymandered...which is why we have not won even though millions more voted for us than the GOP. Changing leadership won't fix that.

IronLionZion

(45,429 posts)
18. District lines are drawn every 10 years, people move more often
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jun 2017

so some districts in suburban areas have seen major demographic changes making them more competitive in spite of gerrymandering 7 years ago. In the last 10 years we've seen entire states switch from red to blue: Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, and we apparently lost some rust belt voters.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
21. Not competititive enough for us to win...millions more votes were cast for the Democrats
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jun 2017

in the House...and we are not in the majority. Gerrymandering is huge and must be addressed because if they keep the states, the GOP will do it again...and now they are threatening a constitutional convention.

IronLionZion

(45,429 posts)
23. We need to win state legislatures
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jun 2017

since that's who draws the lines

And our party has been challenging them in the courts when they blatantly drew the lines based on race

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
12. And that my friend...is why we lose...blame blame and more blame for the only
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jun 2017

party that can stop the Republicans...exactly what did the DCCC do wrong this time sigh.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
11. When we haven't won a competitive election in nearly 6 years
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jun 2017

we need to make changes. Things aren't working so let's fix them.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
13. No, we need to end the gerrymander and stop fighting among ourselves...we need a loyal and
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jun 2017

supportive base, we can count on.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
27. We can't end gerrymanders until after the 2020 census, and to do that we need to be in power
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jun 2017

so given the limitations of our current situation we need to figure out out to win now. This means not repeating the same mistakes we've been making including the constant demoralizing "we're doomed" fundraising emails that our current crop of consultants seems to love, and endless GOTV phone-calls to the point of harassment that seem to lose us more voters than gain. This means a coherent, dynamic and simple message that can be distilled into a tagline, that is more than we are not Trump. I don't see our current leaders having learned anything from 2016 in this Georgia election which is why it's time for some new voices.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
30. that is not really true...I think the gerrymander is losing its effectiveness... and with
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jun 2017

care candidate selection we have a shot with the House and if the Senate passes this terrible health care bill the Senate.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. We should hire hackers so that we can win next time
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jun 2017

The GOP doesn't seem to mind have a shit voting system in place as long as they wil. If we hacked and won, they'd fix it toot sweet

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
16. The Democratic Party
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:52 PM
Jun 2017

Has lost numerous governorships and state legislators and all branches of federal government in the last 20 years.
Change is indeed needed!

cubbies01

(85 posts)
17. Agree but
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jun 2017

the problem is these gains have come from a 20 year program employing propaganda across the AM/FM airwaves then Fox News then internet Blogs then Social Media that has trained a HUGE (bigly) number of folks to fear democrats and live in an alternative reality. It is really hard to combat what they have done.

Two items of hope:

1: People are slowly,very slowly waking up and seeing through the bull
2: A large portion of our brainwashed countrymen/women are quite simply getting very old and will die....and the younger folks are less susceptible to this stuff.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
25. "the younger folks are less susceptible to this stuff"
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jun 2017

Give me one reason to believe that.

At 57, I've been through several rounds of "the young will save us" and it's been complete bullshit so far.

The younger generation is just as susceptible to evil as the previous one.

Why do you think there are organizations of College Republicans in this day and age?

Waiting for evil to die off is and always has been a losing strategy.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
28. amen that
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jun 2017

at 76 i too have seen many rounds of the young will save us.
ps. not all old white men have drank the Kool-aid.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
20. "Stop saying that we need to fire Pelosi or rethink our platform or strategies. " I agree on Pelosi
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jun 2017

But... to say that strategies don't need revision is naive. It's not just this election- we've been losing ground in congress, state legislatures, and governorships slowly but surely for decades. More of the same is not a strategy.

Moral Compass

(1,517 posts)
22. Multiple sources are representing this is an unusual crushing defeat
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jun 2017

Multiple sources are representing this as an unusually crushing defeat. One of NPR's guests said it this morning. I also read it in the Dallas morning news. As usual, the narrative is being skewed.

I saw the numbers last night and I kept wondering how this could be a crushing defeat in a district that's been in republican hands for 40 years.

The margin of victory yesterday, by the way, was 3.8%. In that district this was a remarkably close race. It would've been really nice if Jon Ossoff could have won but from the very beginning it was very unlikely that he was going to win.

I contributed quite a bit of money to his race and like everybody else on Democratic Underground I'm extremely disappointed.

But to put things in perspective, when Tom Price ran in 2016 he beat Rodney Stooksbury by 23.2%.

I'm sure if I went back and looked at the other results they would be just as lopsided.

We need to not accept the narrative that is being established. We're gaining on them and in their back yards.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
24. With this attitude, prepare for a long future of "postmortem(s)!
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:08 PM
Jun 2017

"Stay the course" and expect more of the same.......

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
31. And with the attitude that gains are nothing, we will have a future of even more postmortem(s)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 08:12 AM
Jun 2017

Learning how Ossoff came so much more close than his predecessor did against Price should be studied, and not dismissed as some sort of massive failure, yes?

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