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Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:22 PM Jun 2017

How does the GOP get away with it?

They get away with wrongly removing voters from voter rolls.
They get away with pathological lying.
They get away with constant hypocrisy.
They get away with lying America into a war.
They get away with working for Russia.

So How do they do it?
The M$M allows them to get away with it by playing the "What about game." (What about the Democrats, they do it too.) The Democratic party allows them to get away with it. For example, the Black Congressional caucus wanted just one U.S. Senator to support questioning the legitimacy of Bush's first election. Now we have a second illegitimate pResident and his illegitimate gerrymandered congress--not to mention the extremely illegitimate Robert's Supreme JOKE!

Finally, the always fearful American people allowed this to happen. They stood for Bush's wars and didn't insist that this traitor be prosecuted. They stood for Trumps lies and didn't laugh this clown into oblivion. They elected this world-famous liar, loser and fraud president. It's like a line out of the song Springtime for Hitler

Yet we also asked how the Soviet Union got away with its lies during the Cold War. Where are they now? Perhaps truth will win out and the GOP, it's fake religion and the whole billionaire class will be severely punished for the terrible harm they have brought to the people of the United States and the world. Perhaps. But I'd just be glad to see them gone.

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How does the GOP get away with it? (Original Post) Democrats_win Jun 2017 OP
Sounds like the Democrats need some strong leadership leftstreet Jun 2017 #1
I do not know what else we should expect. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #6
With all due respect, they're status quo leaders leftstreet Jun 2017 #7
Marriage equality, ACA, minimum wage increase. I disagree they are status quo. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #9
We need a permanent, well-funded, well publicized, well staffed department in the national Dem... brush Jun 2017 #12
I do like this. Thank-you. I would totally welcome a cheat department. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #13
Social media does. If enough buzz is generated on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and others... brush Jun 2017 #17
I totally agree with you on this. So when I hear people on this site argue the Democratic Party pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #18
+1 leftstreet Jun 2017 #21
Thank you. brush Jun 2017 #22
Such bullshit...the Dems have no control over Georgia or other red states. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #14
I was thinking more about policies, message, raison d'etre leftstreet Jun 2017 #20
A message has to get through...have you ever lived in Georgia. I did ...the news is Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #26
What about sending down large numbers of election monitors, Crunchy Frog Jun 2017 #24
Georgia would never allow that...they want no interferance....they don't even want to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #27
I'm pretty sure that we still have freedom to travel in this country. Crunchy Frog Jun 2017 #28
And what would be the point? If they don't cooperate what can observers do? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #30
Document and publicise. Make a big public stink about it. Possibly initiate lawsuits? Crunchy Frog Jun 2017 #32
They get away with it TBA Jun 2017 #2
This is what stand out for me, too. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #3
They flatter and bribe a sufficient number of white and/or rich Americans... Orsino Jun 2017 #4
Because the average Republican voter is a brainless, bigoted, microcephalic imbecile who jcmaine72 Jun 2017 #5
They cater to fear leftynyc Jun 2017 #8
Hacking, nothing matters for them if they can cheat YCHDT Jun 2017 #10
Just look at how they deify Reagan. HughBeaumont Jun 2017 #11
Wrong framing. It should be "How do the Democrats fail to stop the Republicans?" YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #15
Turnout Retrograde Jun 2017 #16
You posted about what was pissing me off earlier this afternoon. Vinca Jun 2017 #19
3 conservatives for every 2 liberals nationwide Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #23
All of our institutions are corrupt, thank you very much. MrScorpio Jun 2017 #25
1984 is here. Zo Zig Jun 2017 #29
This didn't just happen this year or last year, it has been a steady decline in decency over 50 yrs. OnDoutside Jun 2017 #31
Right wing talk radio and Fox News. SharonClark Jun 2017 #33
 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
6. I do not know what else we should expect.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jun 2017

At every point we had Democrats, the Democratic Party, loud voices across the nation pointing out all the issue, front and center. During the election, Clinton wasn't shy at pointing out the lack of integrity and lies and Russia connection.

When we say strong leadership, I see the Pelosi's, Warners, Frankins, and so many more standing up for all of us and fighting the Republicans.

leftstreet

(36,081 posts)
7. With all due respect, they're status quo leaders
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jun 2017

That was part of Obama's appeal. He didn't come across as an insider

brush

(53,475 posts)
12. We need a permanent, well-funded, well publicized, well staffed department in the national Dem...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:49 PM - Edit history (2)

Party apparatus to combat repug cheating, Interstate Crosscheck, Russian hacking and illegal repug vote suppression.

It has to be as strong a concerted effort as our get-out-the-vote cmapaigns because repugs continually work as hard to stop our votes as we do to get people to vote.

There should be private investigators, media liaisons (traditional media and social media) to get this effort out into the zeitgeist with appropriate buzz created and memes circulating so everyone is aware of not just our efforts to expose repug cheating but also of the history of repug cheating. The department should have fund raisers, date entry volunteers — the whole deal.

This should have happened yesterday, as in 2000.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
13. I do like this. Thank-you. I would totally welcome a cheat department.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jun 2017

But, we do get that media will not be on it. So, we will not be getting the message out. It will only be behind the scenes and what we come up with. For what ever reason, we do know media does not allow a level playing field for Democrats.

brush

(53,475 posts)
17. Social media does. If enough buzz is generated on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and others...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jun 2017

traditional media will pick it up.

The good thing about social media is that it's so direct.

We don't have to wait for a middle man of traditional media to create our own messages that will circulate much faster than what traditional media itself can do — both TV and print.

You or I can created a meme and put it out there, as can thousands of other Dem activists. A Dem party co-ordinated strategy can be powerful and empowering for our candidates and campaigns.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
18. I totally agree with you on this. So when I hear people on this site argue the Democratic Party
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jun 2017

is doing nothing, I get angry. I do a lot of other social media and have learned the importance of it and the language we use. I see that is the directions we must go, while presenting fact, rather than accepting fake to create an illusion. That will create its own facts. Alternative facts.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
14. Such bullshit...the Dems have no control over Georgia or other red states.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jun 2017

The states are in charge of elections. They will purge as they see fit..and unless the courts intervene...there is not much we can do.

leftstreet

(36,081 posts)
20. I was thinking more about policies, message, raison d'etre
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jun 2017

and strong leadership to keep those things on point

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
24. What about sending down large numbers of election monitors,
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:03 PM
Jun 2017

Documenting and publicizing? How about assisting people in registering and voting, and doing high level investigations into voter suppression policies, and publicise, publicise, publicise.

This is what our party should have been doing starting 17 1/2 years ago.

Just my opinion. I'm probably completely wrong, and I'm sure I will be duly corrected.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
27. Georgia would never allow that...they want no interferance....they don't even want to
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jun 2017

work on the Russian thing...they fear the Russians less than the US government.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
28. I'm pretty sure that we still have freedom to travel in this country.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:15 PM
Jun 2017

Nobody can stop people from traveling to Georgia to observe elections and monitor voter suppression.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
30. And what would be the point? If they don't cooperate what can observers do?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 07:38 AM
Jun 2017

Cross check has been very effective...and no observation can fix that...also many districts are gerrymandered. Also, states have rules about observers.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
32. Document and publicise. Make a big public stink about it. Possibly initiate lawsuits?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:46 AM
Jun 2017

At least we keep them from doing it in the dark, and we have clear documentation that elections are being "won" through cheating.

Rules about observers? I'm pretty sure that people can at least stand within view of public polling places.

TBA

(825 posts)
2. They get away with it
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jun 2017

because they have aligned themselves with Russia and they know they will continue to win elections because Russian hackers can make it so.

They are dancing with the devil. One day... this will get out of tier control and Russia will lets them know they own them and control them.

My opinion.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
3. This is what stand out for me, too.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jun 2017

I do not get how they are allowed to get away with everything illegal, against the rules, against the norm.

It started with talking about the size of manhood on stage, to the Supreme Court Justice hold out.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
4. They flatter and bribe a sufficient number of white and/or rich Americans...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jun 2017

...and are in return assisted by friendly media coverage and the results of their own austerity in education policies.

They fake it, and we agree to be fooled.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
5. Because the average Republican voter is a brainless, bigoted, microcephalic imbecile who
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jun 2017

would rather see their own prejudices and hatreds validated than see their own country prosper. That's why.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. They cater to fear
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jun 2017

And there are obviously enough imbeciles out there who are afraid. Combine that with those who think they're one week away from winning the lottery and those who only care about their own wallets and there you have it.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
11. Just look at how they deify Reagan.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:38 PM
Jun 2017
High Treason was committed on his watch. He fired air traffic controllers, inspiring corporate America to follow suit and fire their own workers. He let Wall Street in the front door and rogue terrorists in the back.

They named airports, schools, roads and buildings after him. They want to put him on Mount Rushmore and our currency.

Not tossing the book at Reagan (all because they couldn't stand the fact that this would be yet another failed Republican presidency if they did, along the lines of Coolidge, Harding, Hoover and Nixon) led to each Republican president being several degrees worse than his predecessor. It led to them getting away with an array of crimes and justice obstruction. Trump is all but ready to light that cannon.

Americans, as George Lakoff said, respond to a "strict father" as opposed to a "nurturing parent", no matter if that "strict father" is a criminal who leaves you high and dry with no prospects to better yourself. Republican is their default, and we have to work extraordinarily hard to convince them otherwise.

Whataboutism is commonly known as tu Quoque.

Retrograde

(10,073 posts)
16. Turnout
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:30 PM
Jun 2017

The Republicans - especially the ultraconservative ones - get their voters to show up at all the little local elections, which is where the real decisions are made. That's how they got control of so many state offices, which helped them gerrymander districts so they would stay in control. Meanwhile, the Democratic voters only seem to be able to get up an interest in Presidential elections. We need to have stronger local outreach and focus on the less glamorous offices rather.

I live in a very strongly Democratic area, so well-entrenched that we normally get no attention from major presidential candidates. When Sanders had a rally here last year he packed the location (and voted for Clinton in the primary anyway) because it was a Real Live Candidate, the first in decades. We also have high turnouts for most elections because our politics tend to be more locally focused: the most fiercely contested race last November was for state assembly, followed by city council.

IMHO, the country's gotten into a vicious cycle: M$M loves elections that bring in lots of ad revenues, so campaigns spend lots of money on ads so they can buy their candidates more attention, which makes their opponents spend more, and the people who profit are the ones who make and air the ads. Fundraising ability has become more important than stands on issues. And the result seems to be that people are so sick of constant negative campaigning that by the time the actual election rolls around only the zealots show up. And those then to be the more conservative, more willing to vote as they are told, bunch.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
19. You posted about what was pissing me off earlier this afternoon.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jun 2017

I was listening to the blah, blah, blah on MSNBC when someone said Republicans obstructed when the Democrats were in power and now the Democrats are obstructing. Except Democrats are not obstructing. Because of the numbers, it is impossible for them to obstruct even if there was something currently on the table they could obstruct. There's nothing. Republicans are doing zilch. Don is signing his fancy menus for a photo op every couple of days and that's about it and they're just suggestions for something or ordering studies on something. I wish the news media was honest.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
23. 3 conservatives for every 2 liberals nationwide
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jun 2017

Fairly basic. That type of edge holds incredible margin for error. In many of the landlocked states it is closer to a 2/1 edge. Some are slightly above 2/1.

When I was a new teenager during Watergate I remember predictions that no Republican could be elected for at least 10-15 years after that stain. But my grandfather laughed. He was originally from west Texas and a very old man in 1974 but he told me there was no way a scandal was going to alter the voting patterns of people who grow up with distrust of government, even if misplaced.

I take at least two cross country and back trips every year. Listen to AM radio during those drives and none of the voting results will be a surprise, especially if you also stop in some local eateries. Everybody who walks in looks like a SAM Republican. Simplistic Angry Male and damn proud of it. Toting Samantha alongside.

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