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sandensea

(21,620 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 02:40 PM Jun 2017

Pope Francis says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian

People who manufacture weapons or invest in weapons industries are hypocrites if they call themselves Christian, Pope Francis said on Sunday.

"It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves 'Christian' and manufacture weapons. That leads one to doubt it, doesn't it?" he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries, saying "duplicity is the currency of today ... they say one thing and do another."

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars. He spoke of the "tragedy of the Shoah," using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

"The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn't they bomb (the railway lines)?"

At: https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-21/pope-says-weapons-manufacturers-cant-call-themselves-christian

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Pope Francis says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian (Original Post) sandensea Jun 2017 OP
How about gun buyers? C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #1
What about gun promoters and the politicians who represent them? meow2u3 Jun 2017 #2
Neither can Trumpeters. IMO. GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #3
Hear, hear. sandensea Jun 2017 #7
And the Vatican guards carry, what, slingshots? EX500rider Jun 2017 #4
Good point - but there are degrees. sandensea Jun 2017 #9
Every American is complicit. Hell, all of us are. Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #5
Not just national defense - tax dollars arm police officers, HeartachesNhangovers Jun 2017 #6
But they can call themselves "rich." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #8
Quite a few of my ancestors landed in the U.S.A. as Christian pacifists. hunter Jun 2017 #10
Very good and brave people. sandensea Jun 2017 #12
Sure they can. They can call themselves anything they want to DFW Jun 2017 #11
Isn't that the truth. They're nothing if not shameless. sandensea Jun 2017 #13

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
2. What about gun promoters and the politicians who represent them?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 03:01 PM
Jun 2017

They're the same ones who call themselves Christians!

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
4. And the Vatican guards carry, what, slingshots?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jun 2017

So Vatican buying weapons for protection, OK, company who makes them so they can buy them, not ok?
lol

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
9. Good point - but there are degrees.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 05:33 PM
Jun 2017

If the arms industry only made handguns and hunting rifles, it would still be a transgression from a Christian point of view - but nothing like the kind of sin (for lack of a better word) that assault weapon, missile, fighter jet-making behemoths commit day in and day out.

To say nothing of the politicians who concoct the bad-faith wars that keeps said industry obscenely profitable.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
5. Every American is complicit. Hell, all of us are.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 04:53 PM
Jun 2017

Our taxes invest in all of it for national defense - to the extreme here at least.

6. Not just national defense - tax dollars arm police officers,
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 05:08 PM
Jun 2017

IRS investigators, postal service investigators, EPA investigators, etc, etc, etc. So if the gun-makers aren't "Christian", are the people who use them for work "Christian"?

hunter

(38,309 posts)
10. Quite a few of my ancestors landed in the U.S.A. as Christian pacifists.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 05:56 PM
Jun 2017

One of my grandfathers refused to take up arms in World War II. Given a choice of prison or building and repairing ships for the Merchant Marine, he built and repaired ships. No guns.

My own dad, and my wife's dad, took the Radar O'Reilly route, my dad just as nearsighted.



My wife's dad got to witness a nuclear blast up close and personal in the Nevada desert from a hole in the ground. And then he got to march towards ground zero as stuff was still burning. He's still here but many of his comrades were not so radioactive fallout resistant.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
12. Very good and brave people.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 06:33 PM
Jun 2017

Thank you for sharing that, Hunter.

Would that my forbears had stories even half that interesting.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
11. Sure they can. They can call themselves anything they want to
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 05:59 PM
Jun 2017

But like the old saying goes, going inside a church every Sunday doesn't make you a Christian any more than going inside a garage makes you a car.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
13. Isn't that the truth. They're nothing if not shameless.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jun 2017


On a lighter note, belated Happy Birthday to you DFW!
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