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Wtf? Obama what? (Original Post) uppityperson Jun 2017 OP
Listen to Rachel. She's discussing it now. elleng Jun 2017 #1
Minimal tv, local channels only uppityperson Jun 2017 #2
Sorry. Lots of stuff, elleng Jun 2017 #5
Thank you. uppityperson Jun 2017 #7
May be here: elleng Jun 2017 #9
NBC Nightly News did a goood job tonight furtheradu Jun 2017 #8
Try not to fly off the handle over Trump's tweet. WAPO article here: emulatorloo Jun 2017 #29
Trump and the Republicans made it impossible for all this to come out Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #4
So what you're saying is ... GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #15
Basically I honestly believe that McConnell & Ryan knew what was happening and let it Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #19
McConnell and Ryan seem connected to it. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #23
16 years later and we'll soon be discussing LIHOP vs. MIHOP again. uncle ray Jun 2017 #37
So...Trump is saying there WAS Russian meddling in the election? leftstreet Jun 2017 #3
But....Obama! Benghazi! uppityperson Jun 2017 #6
Trump Knows Where This is Going---Its Delicious Knowing He Can't do Jack About It Stallion Jun 2017 #10
Yeah shenmue Jun 2017 #11
There Was Some High Level Espionage Information Disclosed Tonite... Stallion Jun 2017 #13
I hope so shenmue Jun 2017 #17
Sick irony loyalsister Jun 2017 #42
That sounds like the punchline to a sick joke. Sugar Smack Jun 2017 #12
Expect a retraction on Monday ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #14
They all knew... Sancho Jun 2017 #16
My buddy was in shock. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #20
Do what? tazkcmo Jun 2017 #18
He asked McConnell to stand with him and McConnell told him they would declare pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #21
So Obama backed down pscot Jun 2017 #33
Seriously? Are you suggesting he should have ego'd it all up with Trump and the other men pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #36
It was available pscot Jun 2017 #40
The tweet referenced in the OP misleads, and is a distortion of what was going on. still_one Jun 2017 #22
Thank-you for all the information. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #24
didnt one of our diplomats get roughed up by the russian Police? Demonaut Jun 2017 #25
Thanks Demonaut. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered. There were a still_one Jun 2017 #28
This has never "felt" right. There was a COUP, people!! And we're just walking around wondering chimpymustgo Jun 2017 #41
The tweet in the OP is a bot that takes BLOTUS' original tweet blogslut Jun 2017 #26
I was referring to the tweet itself, not to the poster, but you make an excellent point because it still_one Jun 2017 #27
Thank you so much for this, off to read it through. uppityperson Jun 2017 #30
Sorry uppity if my initial wording was misunderstood. I definitely was NOT attacking you, but the still_one Jun 2017 #31
No worries, I understood. I don't like quoting Trump's tweets directly and having to see that smarmy uppityperson Jun 2017 #32
Here's the link to the twitter page. uppityperson Jun 2017 #39
Great summary of the WAPO article. Thanks! emulatorloo Jun 2017 #35
Excellent recap..!! PoiBoy Jun 2017 #38
Another irresponsible comment from trump with Ilsa Jun 2017 #34

furtheradu

(1,865 posts)
8. NBC Nightly News did a goood job tonight
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:32 PM
Jun 2017

Instead of blaming President Obama, spent time & efforts on "trump not doing ANYTHING about protecting, securing our democratic, electoral process" NOW.
*NOW*! TODAY! for 5+ FREAKIN MONTHS!!!
President Obama left procedures in place to deter, punish ruskies, & trump is sitting on them.
Doing NO~frickin~THING.
Goood Work! I thought! Thanks, NBC!

emulatorloo

(45,316 posts)
29. Try not to fly off the handle over Trump's tweet. WAPO article here:
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:46 PM
Jun 2017

Trump's spinning this to protect himself. More of his same deceptive bullshit.

Long WAPO article here that covers this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.30b30c2b2c9f

Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault

The White House debated various options to punish Russia, but facing obstacles and potential risks, it ultimately failed to exact a heavy toll on the Kremlin for its election meddling.
By Greg Miller, Ellen Nakashima, and Adam Entous
June 23, 2017

Catmusicfan

(816 posts)
4. Trump and the Republicans made it impossible for all this to come out
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:22 PM
Jun 2017

Without Trump supports going crazy. Also keep in mind what McConnell threaten the gang of eight he would do.... He said if this got out as to how Russia was affecting the election he would make it a partisan scam .

Catmusicfan

(816 posts)
19. Basically I honestly believe that McConnell & Ryan knew what was happening and let it
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:03 PM
Jun 2017

At the very least. After all the articles I have read WaPo New York Times stuff My tinfoil hat believe when everything comes out and shut hits the fan we might see the end of the Republican party. Too many Republicans have ties to Russian money. I believe the RNC was hacked with the DNC but instead of giving it to wikileaks it is being used to blackmail some republican to go along. I personally believe McConnell & Ryan completely had knowledge of all this and allowed it to happen. The Republican party basically attempted a coup.

Now I believed our fellow Republican citizens would find this traitorous and stop supporting Trump and Republicans but as many have showed me I am sincerely losing faith I my fellow citizens.

uncle ray

(3,172 posts)
37. 16 years later and we'll soon be discussing LIHOP vs. MIHOP again.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 12:28 AM
Jun 2017

this time around, there is no debate about the IHOP part.

Stallion

(6,481 posts)
13. There Was Some High Level Espionage Information Disclosed Tonite...
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:40 PM
Jun 2017

that could only come from Deep Throat sources-they are going to track him down and lock him up

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
14. Expect a retraction on Monday
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jun 2017

Or some sort of alternative fact fabrication: "He meant that, if Obama thought there was Russian meddling, he should have said something. So we take Obama's silence to mean there was nothing all along".

Note: I am well aware that Obama did say something and was shot down by McConnell. That part of the broader story will be conveniently left out of this narrative as it unfolds next week.

tazkcmo

(7,418 posts)
20. My buddy was in shock.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

I give him the daily briefing and when I told him about this story he sat silent for a moment and then said, "You mean to tell me the whole GOPee leadership is complicit? And committee members? And the Sec's of States? If Mueller's team is half as good as they say, more people are on heir way to prison than in Watergate. Holy shit.".

tazkcmo

(7,418 posts)
18. Do what?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jun 2017

Do what about a fake story? The IC is wrong. The GOPee didn't believe them. The states' Sec of States ignored them. Shit Gibbon says it everyday. Witch hunt. Fake news. Which is it?

Him shutting the f up is probably too much to ask for.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
21. He asked McConnell to stand with him and McConnell told him they would declare
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

the President was interfering with the election.

Ball in your court Trump.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
36. Seriously? Are you suggesting he should have ego'd it all up with Trump and the other men
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 11:23 PM
Jun 2017

at the expense of our candidate? The information was readily available. We knew about it. Media knew about it. If you were even a little informed, it was available.

pscot

(21,025 posts)
40. It was available
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jun 2017

but we chose not to use it. I don't understand the thinking that went into that decision. Were we concerned about offending Republican sensibilities? Was it squelched in consultation with the Clinton campaign? This comes under the heading of "defending American Democracy" in my view and our response was weak and confused. I'm angry and disappointed.

still_one

(93,911 posts)
22. The tweet referenced in the OP misleads, and is a distortion of what was going on.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

First let's get the facts straight instead of a pseudo press secretary bot. The Washington Post had a story on this, this morning, which I have summarized below, with the appropriate link.

There is speculation involved in that Washington Post story also. In addition, there seems to be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on, with a lot of interests looking to play the blame game with the intent to distract and divide.

In my view the public had a right to know about the Russian involvement before the election. It may or may not have changed anything, but it was their right to know

Both President Obama and McConnell were informed of this by the intelligence community. That is a fact. I suspect that the FBI and intelligence community told all parties not to say anything publicly because it would hurt the ongoing investigation. That is my speculation, but unless and until we hear from the principals, we won't have the full facts.

I am not surprised that a lot of sources are using President Obama as a scape goat on this. It is well known that elements from both the left and right hated President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. I don't use the word "hate" lightly. I also find it curious that there are attacks being instigated against Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic party.

I do NOT believe in coincidences.

The question that needs to be answered is why didn't President Obama or the Congress tell the public?

Harry Reid alluded to it. John Lewis alluded to it and so do others. Why didn't anyone come forward then?

I asked that question when Harry Reid spoke to it in September 2016 here on DU. Of course no one could answer that.

All these attacks suddenly against the DEMOCRATS when the Russian investigation seems to be getting closer to the trump administration should make people wonder why?

Here is the WashingtonPost story:

"Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault

"In political terms, Russia’s interference was the crime of the century. It was a case that took almost no time to solve and was traced to Russian President Vladimir Putin. But because of the ways President Barack Obama and President Trump handled it, the Kremlin has yet to face severe consequences. Through interviews with more than three dozen current and former U.S. officials, The Post tells the inside story of how the Obama administration handled the Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. election."

REVELATIONS:

1. Stunning intelligence: U.S. intelligence agencies had sourcing deep inside the Russian government capturing Vladimir Putin’s direct instructions to damage Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning and help elect Donald Trump.

2. Covert retaliatory options: President Barack Obama set in motion a secret program that deployed “implants” in Russian networks — digital bombs that could be triggered in a retaliatory cyber-strike.

3. ‘Menu’ of responses: The White House debated dozens of options against Russia: economic sanctions, cyberattacks and releasing sensitive information on Putin. What was proposed was much more severe than what was eventually implemented.

4. Push for a probe: Secretary of State John Kerry proposed creating a bipartisan commission to investigate Russian interference and protect future elections. Obama and senior officials killed the idea.

5. Brazen harassment: In one previously undisclosed incident last year, a Russian military helicopter dropped down to make multiple passes just over the hood of a vehicle being driven by the U.S. defense attache in northern Russia.

6. Toiling in the dark: Lower-level officials were kept in the dark. A video feed from the Situation Room was shut off — a measure that had not happened since the run-up to the 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound.

7. The ‘tabledrop’: Obama and his senior aides were worried any action would be depicted as political interference in an already volatile campaign.

8. Warnings to the Kremlin: Obama told Putin in China at September’s Group of 20 summit that “we knew what he was doing and better stop or else,” said a senior aide who subsequently spoke with Obama.

9. Russians expelled: Alleged spies expelled as part of U.S. sanctions against Russia included several who were suspected of helping the election interference operation from within the United States, officials said.

10. Agency differences: Agencies were slow to endorse the conclusion that Putin wanted to damage Clinton and help elect Trump. The NSA was reluctant because some of the CIA’s most critical technical intelligence on Russia came from another country, officials said.

THE REPORT:

"Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race.

But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.

At that point, the outlines of the Russian assault on the U.S. election were increasingly apparent. Hackers with ties to Russian intelligence services had been rummaging through Democratic Party computer networks, as well as some Republican systems, for more than a year. In July, the FBI had opened an investigation of contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. And on July 22, nearly 20,000 emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee were dumped online by WikiLeaks."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.71fb151f01a7

Some of the Washington Post story, includes speculation. What is know is that the intelligence community informed the President and Congress of the Russian involvement.

Here is my take on this story:


still_one

(93,911 posts)
28. Thanks Demonaut. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered. There were a
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:46 PM
Jun 2017

lot of people who were privy to this, and I would like to know the reason why no one came forward?


chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
41. This has never "felt" right. There was a COUP, people!! And we're just walking around wondering
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jun 2017

how Dems need to tailor their message to reach stupid racists.

WTF??

If the Retugs pulled this off - why you think they'll ever give up power? And they surely aren't passing legislation that's going to win them new voters.

Why aren't people SCREAMING. Obama knew, members of Congress KNOW. What are we DOING?

blogslut

(38,222 posts)
26. The tweet in the OP is a bot that takes BLOTUS' original tweet
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

...and retweets it as if it were an official statement from the office of the president.

Granted, what BLOTUS tweeted is bullshit but he is the one that deserves ire, not the OP.

I don't follow BLOTUS on twitter. I just can't. I do follow this bot though. I also follow a bot that posts a small video of a robot that prints out the president's tweets and then burns the printout.

still_one

(93,911 posts)
27. I was referring to the tweet itself, not to the poster, but you make an excellent point because it
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jun 2017

is NOT clear in my post. I will edit accordingly.

Thanks

still_one

(93,911 posts)
31. Sorry uppity if my initial wording was misunderstood. I definitely was NOT attacking you, but the
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jun 2017

tweet being referenced

uppityperson

(115,695 posts)
32. No worries, I understood. I don't like quoting Trump's tweets directly and having to see that smarmy
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:59 PM
Jun 2017

face. The one I posted makes his tweets into presidential statements.

uppityperson

(115,695 posts)
39. Here's the link to the twitter page.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 12:34 AM
Jun 2017
https://twitter.com/RealPressSecBot

@RealPressSecBot
Checks for new @realDonaldTrump tweets every 5 min & transforms them into correct Presidential statement format. Inspired by @PatCunnane built by @russelneiss
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