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bresue

(1,007 posts)
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:16 PM Jul 2017

Dear Offended Christian, from a very tired Christian

http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/05/26/dear-offended-christian-from-a-very-tired-christian/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John+Pavlovitz

Dear Offended Christian,

I’m terribly sorry that your feelings are hurt again. I feel badly about that. None of us likes to be criticized, so I totally get it.

I know I’ve said some pretty hard words to you recently, and maybe I’ve been somewhat less than “cheery” in my delivery, but that happens when you’re tired.

And I am really tired:

I’m tired of hearing you telling gay people that they can’t simultaneously be both gay and Christian.

I’m tired of having to explain what “Transgender” means to adult Christian people, who I’m quite sure have Internet access and should know better by now that it isn’t “a guy in a dress”.

I’m tired of arrogant pulpit bullies who believe they’re entitled to tell people where they can pee and who they can marry and whether they really love Jesus or not.

I’m tired of you regularly dispensing damnation on the queer community, and then offering empty “thoughts and prayers” in the face of tragedy before resuming your normal schedule.

I’m tired of you being more outraged by red coffee cups and department store restrooms than by poverty and racism and gun violence and our crumbling school system.

I’m tired of LGBTQ people being accused of the kind of predatory behavior that cisgender men have been exhibiting, since the man cave was—an actual cave.

I’m tired of reminding you that the number of times Jesus condemned people for their gender identity or sexual orientation in the Gospels—is zero.

I’m tired of having to explain to people that although I am a Christian, that I’m not that type of Christian; the kind that is generous with damnation and stingy with Grace.

I’m tired of LGBTQ teens cutting their forearms and jumping off buildings because they’re told by their church friends that God hates them, because their Christian parents told them, because their Christian pastors told them.

I’m tired of followers of Jesus who don’t seem interested in cracking open a book to see what we’ve learned about the brain and the body in 2,000 years, or to realize that gender identity and sexual orientation don’t equal the word “homosexuality” in the Bible.

I’m tired of all the time I have to spend undoing the damage the Church has done to queer kids and their families.

I’m tired of religious folk who seem to want small government everywhere except the bedroom and bathroom.

I’m tired of Scientific ignorance being treated as if it’s a Christian virtue.

I’m tired of hearing professed Christians preach verbatim the gospel of Fox News.

I’m tired of high-profile pastors blaming gay people for 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina and ISIS and child obesity.

I’m tired of waiting for you to show up in this world and actually show the freakin’ love of Jesus to people the way he did and told you to, without excuses or caveats or theological tap dancing to avoid it.

I’m tired of this wasteful, fruitless, mean-spirited, unprovoked, unbiblical attack on the LGBTQ community, that is squandering so much time and life and beauty in the name of a God who is supposedly Love.

I’m tired of so many people believing that “Christian” and “bigot” are synonymous—and not disagreeing with them.

I’m tired of a Church which seems to be so ambivalent toward the teachings and example of Jesus.

I’m tired of a Christianity that is making me more and more embarrassed to be associated with it.

So I get that your feelings are hurt. I understand that you’re offended, and that’s not my intention.

But listen, if you’re going to tell a group of people that they’re going to Hell simply for existing, and you’re going to continually target those people through the Church and the Law and your social media accounts, don’t get angry with me when I tell you you’re being hateful and judgmental and ignorant.

It could be worse.

At least I’m not damning you for all eternity.

Sincerely,

A Very Tired Christian


This guy rocks! He advocates peace, tolerance, and love towards our fellow humans. I am an atheist, but I support him because of his articles and postings which attempt to bring peace and not hate, and I believe that is important regardless of religion. If you have not heard of him, check out his site and send him some love. The RW bible thumpers have tried to destroy him....





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Dear Offended Christian, from a very tired Christian (Original Post) bresue Jul 2017 OP
People like this is why I'm not an atheist ck4829 Jul 2017 #1
Thank you wryter2000 Jul 2017 #3
Amen wryter2000 Jul 2017 #2
As I have mentioned, the RW religious fanatics have given him a lot of flack bresue Jul 2017 #4
Isn't he in NC? Can't be easy (nt) bobbieinok Jul 2017 #5
said thing better than i could dembotoz Jul 2017 #6
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Jul 2017 #7
Another good blog post from John... Different Drummer Jul 2017 #8
Yes...I love that one too! bresue Jul 2017 #9

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
1. People like this is why I'm not an atheist
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jul 2017

Because IMHO, this is what religion is, this is what spirituality needs to be about, and this is where you can find God or whatever you want to call God... whether you are a Christian like John Pavlovitz, a Muslim like Mona Haydar, or an adherent of any other religion or non-religion.

wryter2000

(46,037 posts)
2. Amen
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jul 2017

This Christian is also tired of explaining that I'm not that kind of Christian and that I "believe in" Darwin.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
4. As I have mentioned, the RW religious fanatics have given him a lot of flack
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:51 PM
Jul 2017

If you are interested in reading more, read below his article to the comments. And as I requested, send him some love. He is trying to stand up against the bullies!

I have never given to religion in the last 30 years, but I actually donate to him monthly because of his great work. Just my thoughts...not trying to advocate to send him money...he needs our love and support in comments too.

keithbvadu2

(36,774 posts)
7. Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jul 2017

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

Support Trump who says he is so perfect that he does not need Christ or his forgiveness.

Like today's evangelical/religious right supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Evangelicals/religious right are easily able to spin their beliefs for political expediency.

The Donald who does not have to ask Jesus for forgiveness.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

Different Drummer

(7,613 posts)
8. Another good blog post from John...
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 03:46 PM
Jul 2017
http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/06/25/christian-right-turned-good-news-fake-news/


How The Christian Right Turned the Good News into Fake News


The bullhorn-wielding sign wavers and pulpit-pounding preachers are right: Jesus condemned many things in the Bible.

He condemned those who neglected the poor and the marginalized.
He condemned those who leveraged their religion for financial gain.
He condemned the religious hypocrites who spoke of loving God while having toxic hearts.
He condemned spiritual leaders who spread a cancerous religion to others.
He condemned people with a facade of piety concealing their hidden sickness.

Jesus pulled no punches with those who would broadcast their faith loudly while doing great damage in the world to its most vulnerable—but curiously the bullhorn-wielding sign wavers and pulpit-pounding preachers won’t ever mention those things.

Over and over in the Gospels, Jesus reiterates that those who would bear his name, would be fierce protectors of the poor, they would be sacrificial in their giving, they would be deeply burdened to serve, they would be marked by a palpable love for humanity.

There are literally hundreds of times in the Bible when Jesus calls out the power-hungry, money loving charlatans who feigned faithfulness, while warning good people to be wary of them—and where he maps out a benevolent, gentle, humble life for his followers.

And do you know how many times in the Bible Jesus condemned, lectured, or threatened anyone based on their gender identity or sexual orientation?

Zero times.

Never.

Ever.

This is revelatory when you pay attention at what the professed people of God on the far Right are doing right now in America; the false narrative they’re trying to write for Jesus and his followers.

Republican Christians and Conservative Evangelical preachers would have you believe the opposite of the Biblical accounts of his life is actually true. They would have you believe that Jesus was clearly, repeatedly, and vehemently critical of LGBTQ people (when in reality he was completely silent on such matters)—and that defending the welfare of the sick and the poor and the vulnerable were never a concern (when such commands are frequent and unavoidable).

This manipulation of information is how self-righteous sociopaths sleep at night.
It’s how they make peace with the disfigured Savior and distorted religion they’ve created.
It’s the only way they can explain their contempt for the very people Jesus spent his days advocating for—how they can justify rewriting the Gospels and fashioning a God in their own bitter, greedy, homophobic image.
It’s how they turn the Good News into fake news, making something beautiful into a weapon, how they crafted exclusion out of invitation.

This inverted religion allows them to simultaneously craft legislation leaving millions without healthcare, to forever cast the LGBTQ as encroaching demons needing to be eradicated—and to claim to be emulating Jesus through it all. Never mind that the preponderance of the Biblical evidence flies fully in their faces. If we are to use the actual words of Jesus recorded in the Gospels—then these Christians are the threat he spent his days warning people about.

You can’t say you’re a “Biblical Christian,” if you ignore the lion’s share of his commands about caring for the least and welcoming the outcast and sheltering the endangered and feeding the hungry. You can’t disregard his incessant appeals to compassion and mercy and kindness, while kicking poor people to the curb and persecuting a group of people he never gave you permission to persecute. This is merely retrofitting Jesus to your politics and prejudices.

These people are welcome to want to take away healthcare from the sick and the elderly, and they’re free to bully the LGBTQ community—but they can’t do either in the name of Jesus, at least not if they’re going to use his life and ministry as their justification. They both argue vehemently in opposition.

So the bullhorn-wielding sign wavers and pulpit-pounding preachers can call it whatever they want: preference or fear or the need to be horrible, but they can’t call it Christianity.

Jesus won’t permit it.

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