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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid anyone else sing Battle Hymn of the Republic in school?
I distinctly remember singing it in 1st through 4th grade when I was still living in Texas. And I am pretty damned sure why I was made to sing it -- us southerners had to sing a Union song to get it through our thick heads that we were wrong and that's why we lost. Maybe we need to make it mandatory in all red states to be sung on a daily basis. Maybe we can get Sessions to lead us.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)I don't remember ever singing that song in school. We would sing this on the bus:
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We have tortured all the teachers we have broken all the rules
We ramrocked the offices and hung the principal
March on, third grade, march on!
Glory, glory, hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I hid behind her door with a loaded .44
And the teacher don't teach no more!
Probably go to jail for that one or at least expelled.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Kids come up with much better versions on their own.
DBoon
(22,362 posts)Don't remember the part about a loaded .44, the rest is the same
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Maeve
(42,281 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)No one was forcing anything on us. It is the Battle Hymn of the Republic and everyone loved the republic. And most still do.
That said, we also sang Dixie and Bonnie Blueflag.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Battle Hymn of the Republic really stands out in my mind. The only other sort of patriotic song I remember singing was John Brown's Ashes. We didn't adulterate our Union songs with Rebel squawking.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)bhowle
(35 posts)We sang Dixie.
Black and white school films supplied by the state started with the playing of Dixie. We'd all snap to and sing along and then watch a film about how to tell if someone was a communist.
"... to live or die in Dixie..."
I got of there as quickly as possible and never looked back on Dixieland.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)and we sang it.
But we sang a lot of songs.
It was the 50's and 60's.
I think there's less singing in schools now.
Pity.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,180 posts)We sang the Battle Hymn and Dixie, but we also learned some spirituals like "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" and "Go Down Moses". It was all part of learning about the Civil War.
ileus
(15,396 posts)We sung it and several others of that type.
76-81
Hekate
(90,658 posts)Battle Hymn of the Republic was right up there. Tenting Tonight on the Old Campground. Yankee Doodle. From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli. When the Caissons Go Rolling Along.
It's been over 60 years and I can still sing them. It was a standard public school song book in California.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Oh well, I guess that blows my theory of being forced to sing Union songs. I think Battle Hymn of the Republic stood out to me because of the imagery. Or maybe they conflated the Mexican/American war with the Civil War.
Igel
(35,300 posts)One year it was traditional songs like that--not just war and patriotism, but also Turkey in the Rye and Go tell aunt Rhody. Maryland, elementary school in the '60s.
Another year it was folk music. And since nobody actually wanted to teach us much actual American folk music, we did the Soviet thing: Modern folk music with copyright and credits. Guthrie and the like. That was the year when the music teacher played the zither and wore peasant dresses. We thought she was certifiable. She came to a working-class area trying to enlighten the masses. She lasted a year. Then again, her music classes were in the cafeteria, which had truly crappy acoustics ... but better than the old music room. (School was a WPA project.)
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Man, did we get into it.
These days I no longer enjoy that tune.
msongs
(67,395 posts)oasis
(49,378 posts)evening event, the principal held a special assembly for the student body to hear it again.
JI7
(89,247 posts)these were public schools in los angeles
Music Man
(1,184 posts)We did "Battle Hymn" this spring, actually. I've always loved it.
"As he died to make men holy, let us live to make men free" is one of the most beautiful poetic lines ever.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Magazine printed Howe's 1862 original:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2010/11/the-battle-hymn-of-the-republic-americas-song-of-itself/66070/
Sgent
(5,857 posts)in HS band. Its also sometimes known as "Slow Dixie".
Funny name, because the song is half Dixie and half Battle Hymn of the Republic. It was written by the Ole Miss band director in the 70's to try to find a unifying theme.
jpak
(41,757 posts)We have tortured every teacher
We have broken every rule
We are marching down the corridor to kill the principal
Our truth is marching on!
Glory Glory Hallelujah
Hit my teacher with ruler
Bopped her on the bean with a rotten tangerine
And boy did she turn green
Aristus
(66,327 posts)Arizona is right-wing, but I don't think they have the Deep South's hangups about Union songs from the Civil War.
Our music teacher also had us sing "This Land Is Your Land", and other Woody Guthrie songs. So she may have been a bit of a lefty...
politicat
(9,808 posts)So... in the heavy Mormon areas, it's been repurposed because the MTC uses it as their signature song. But there's also the extremely uncomfortable relationship between the LDS and slavery, racism and strategic alliances. So as with everything, it's complicated.
But Arizona was divided; the Confederacy claimed half the territory, and there was at least one battle (Picacho Pass). And it attracted a lot of lost causers and "Killer Angels" in the aftermath.
My sibs and I grew up with this but mostly ignored it, like most young'uns; however, one of my sibs spent last school year teaching it at the high school level, and kept getting outraged that she didn't know it. She'd message me, all offended, and I'd remind her that yes, we did cover that, and sorry, you weren't a little grade grubbing geek. That's what you get for cramming instead of studying. (I get to tease her about this now that she's a teacher and finds it annoying when her students do exactly what she did.)
Aristus
(66,327 posts)Thank you!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)When I think of the Civil War, I imagine it as contained within the deep south with TX as a western border. Very interesting.
politicat
(9,808 posts)There were incursions into Colorado and New Mexico as well. Those were mostly about resources -- the CSA wanted silver, gold and copper, which the old Confederacy didn't have.
The eastern fronts properly get far more of the attention because they were much bigger and more complicated battlefields and strategies, that carried on for years, but there were additional fronts in the mountain West and desert southwest. Just much smaller scale.
bdjhawk
(420 posts)As kids, everyone giggled when we sang "bosom". But what a great song!
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)I loved it. Still do. Really got the blood going.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,310 posts)And we have religion in schools (it's compulsory, by law).
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I think "The Battle Cry of Freedom" is more pointed in the circumstance you refer to.
Although the "as He died to make us holy, let us die to make men free" line is a hell of a kicker.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Helps if you enjoy/appreciate Jewish humor.