Nancy Grace is just f*ing evil.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

In my area a young woman who accidentally smothered her baby after she fell asleep, drunk on vodka, committed suicide by setting herself on fire in her mother's back yard.

She had been pilloried on Nancy Grace's TV show - Grace called her the "Vodka Mom" and demanded to know why she shouldn't be charged with first-degree murder.

About a week after she was charged, flame-throwing CNN talk-show host Nancy Grace featured the case on her show. Grace held up a fifth of cheap vodka and said she was going to see how many glasses she could get out of the bottle.
...
She poured at least nine as the words "vodka mom" appeared on the screen.
...
She said the baby was purple and one guest theorized that was from a "pooling of blood" because he had been dead for so long. "Why no murder one charges?" Grace asked, referring to the charge for premeditated murder.
...
Maria Phillips, Medrano's younger sister, said Medrano was "shaking and couldn't take a breath" as she watched Grace's show. "She got depressed and said life wasn't worth living. She said she couldn't live with herself."

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/161793165.html

Yes, I know this woman was terribly negligent for getting stinking drunk and passing out on her baby. But Nancy Grace is a horrible, compassionless harpy. This is a horrible story, and I'm sure Grace couldn't care less about what happened to this woman.

[Honeycombe8]

1. I see your point. This is where 24 hr news/topic shows has gotten us to. But I find it hard...

to totally disagree with Nancy Grace. It seems that the action of the mother was SO egregious and negligent that there should've been a charge of manslaughter or negligent homicide or something.

To get drunk in a bed with a baby next to you...it is foreseeable IMO that the baby would be harmed.

But these shows are one reason why we know way more about Tom & Katie than we should. They have a lot of air time to fill.

Why, oh why, were they watching that show? I wouldn't have let my sister watch it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. She was, in fact, charged with manslaughter,

which was completely appropriate. She was grossly negligent, no question about it. But Nancy Grace wasn't satisfied with that and went on national television demanding the woman be charged with first-degree murder (which is intentionally killing someone with premeditation - doesn't fit at all). She clearly didn't intend to kill her baby; probably had a very serious alcohol problem, and if she hadn't killed herself she almost certainly would have done prison time. And she would have had to live with what she did for the rest of her life. Nancy Grace helped make it impossible for this poor woman to keep living at all.

[Honeycombe8]

12. Yes, manslaughter seems appropriate. Tragic. But foreseeable, even w/o intent.

Same as driving drunk, or driving hte wrong way down the street. You may not intend to kill anyone, but it is foreseeable that you very well might....and you know it before you get drunk.

[Zalatix]

39. Can I vote "both are scumbags"?

That said, it's irritating that Nancy Grace hasn't choked to death on her own bile.

[gopiscrap]

44. Nancy Grace is after two things

Vrengance and Money...she suffered a murder in her family and has had a hard on about it ever since and through that she has found a way to make a big buck...she wouldn't make that money if she just let the legal system take it's course!

[dmr]

71. That was a long time ago, she can't use that excuse forever. If she does

then she's in the same boat as those she throws her horrible anger at.

I offer no excuses for the lady who killed her baby, but Nancy Grace ought to know better & being a part of the media, has a greater responsibility in keeping a level head and not throw lighter fluid on top of a fire.

Shame on her. Two wrongs never make a right. Is this how she teaches her children to behave? Is she proud of that?

[NCcoast]

88. She's lied about the facts of her mudered fiancee

naturally to make the situation look much worse than it was, so Nancy looks justified in becoming a one woman 'victim's right' vigilante lynch mob. She's despicable.

[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/01/190914/-Nancy-Grace-Pulls-a-James-Frey|

[gopiscrap]

92. I agree

[Maraya1969]

94. Nancy Grace bullied that woman to death. She is nothing but a big bully.

I wonder what she was like in grade school.

[caseymoz]

96. Nevermind the criteria for 1st degree

Is premeditation. That's what has always separated it from accidents no matter how stupid the accident.

I could tell Grace why the woman wasn't charged that way: about 500 years of case law that needs to be overturned. What prehistoric law is she referring to?

[Warpy]

13. More enlightened countries take a good look at the Mom

in tragic cases like this involving children under two and evaluate her for postpartum depression.

In this country, people barely admit it's real and only when they've known someone who's had it.

I've known two women with it. One is dead. The other is disfigured and she said she did it to herself to avoid hurting the baby.

Maybe when we're closer to having everybody covered with health insurance, people will stop having to self medicate with cheap vodka and get pilloried by a sociopath like Nancy Grace.

[AynRandCollectedSS]

24. I agree...

Couple the possibility of PPD with living in a country that gives practically ZERO financial/moral/emotional support to new mothers/families and you have a recipe for disaster. She very well may have been self-medicating. The fact that she committed suicide makes me suspect she wasn't just a crappy person. She obviously had a conscience.

I can just hear some frothing Tea-Bagger saying, "Yeah...serves her right!" when they think every person should make it 100% on their own a never need help. It's my opinion that we are letting families and children down as a society and we all share the blame for this kind of tragedy. Harsh, I know, but that's how I feel.

[Warpy]

36. Love the screen name

Welcome to DU

[AynRandCollectedSS]

99. THANK YOU!

Good to be here since I live in Bible Belt Hell (Springfield, MO) and need some solace and friendly conversation!

[Mimosa]

86. Right!

I was guessing post-partum depression too.

I'm sure that mother LOVED her baby and wanted to be near him all the time..

ARCSS, welcome to D.U.

[AynRandCollectedSS]

98. TY!

[MrMickeysMom]

45. Absolutely right, Warpy...

So much is wrong today and this is one bad outcome of it.

Just how do we care for those we love and future generations when we deprive the very right of healthcare to everyone. She would, in a good system, have been screened, and outcome reduced because we did preventative (less expensive) care.

Nancy Grace should have had intervention before her pathological condition made her become a living hell for ratings.

[get the red out]

76. Thank you

We live in a completely whacked out society, like it is just waiting for the next (fill in the blank) MOM to screw up so she can be DESTROYED to make us all somehow feel better. Nancy Grace obviously gets viewers or she wouldn't be on the air. Disgusting, the whole thing.

[PatrynXX]

27. yeah well Nancy Grace is one of those heartless twits I really could care less about either

She is by definition a prosecutor. she should be charged with negligence and ethics violations. the other lady "Issue's " is a bit better. But nancy grace I avoid like the black plague. she's up there with sean hannity that could give one a stroke.

[bvar22]

58. You are assuming that Alcoholics are capable of Good Judgement.

They are not.

[kurtzapril4]

90. That is simply not true. n/t

[dionysus]

2. thats two people she's driven to suicide now.

[MrMickeysMom]

47. Grace incited that?

She should be pulled from the air and handed a pink slip.

[Raine]

56. That's what I thought. I know there was someone before this latest,

I don't remember the specifics but it was probably within the last five years or so.

[Sentath]

67. It is mentioned in here

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/10/woman-dubbed-vodka-mom-by-nancy-grace-dies-after-setting-self-on-fire/

[Raine]

91. THANKS for the link! nt

[RKP5637]

80. Often I think media-mouths should somehow be held accountable for

over the top inflammatory programming on the public air waves. Yep, I know we have freedom of speech and all, but often it's clearly abused by the media-mouths with huge megaphones, and it gets pounded and pounded in.

And look at what she did to the Duke fraternity guys, as another example, she had them tired and basically in prison with all of her tabloid crap on her show, and then they were innocent. Shows like hers should not be aired for profit while there is legal/court action occurring. IMO she and her show are a POS.

[Fumesucker]

3. That ought to bring in good ratings..

Grace goaded someone right to death, she's probably having an orgasm at this moment.. Did Jerry Springer ever manage to do that?

Did I mention I don't like NG?

[Drale]

7. Springer is all actors

nothing on that show is real Nancy Grace has driven at least two people to kill themselves now. The question is why hasn't she been charged with murder?

[Plucketeer]

25. Nancy Grace, ain't. nt

[PatrynXX]

28. at least Jerry Springer realized the BS he raised

no I'd assume NG has been flirting with Rush for quite some time.. they go together...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

4. Is she starting to run out of words to put in front of "mom" yet?

That seems to be her main skill in life.

[Posteritatis]

16. She needs something to distract from the fact that she can only rant in sentence fragments. (nt)

[MrSlayer]

5. If she wanted first degree she probably wanted death penalty.

So following that line of thought to its natural end, she must be happy with the result.

Or maybe she doesn't care at all and is just looking for ratings.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. This state doesn't have the death penalty,

so things turned out even better than Nancy could have expected.

[madamesilverspurs]

9. Murder by remote?

This would be merely repugnant and disgusting if it were the first time. But this is the SECOND person to die after being viciously pilloried by Nancy Grace. She's as "innocent" of this death as Bill O'Reilly is of Dr.Tiller's. There's probably a name for the behavior that derives pleasure from such outcomes, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Nancy Grace were disclosed to possess such disorder.

-

[UnrepentantLiberal]

32. There is a word for that:

Sociopath.

[Scootaloo]

70. And if you check a thesaurus...

Sociopath is a synonym for conservative.

[rustydog]

10. This she caused two people to commit suicide. Does she get a bonus?

Why is she still on the air?

[Skittles]

11. why does anyone even watch Nancy Grace?

[Posteritatis]

14. Plenty of them probably hope for this sort of outcome. (nt)

[Raster]

17. Seriously. I flipped to her once, and that was all it took.

Never again. Venomous harpy with a big paycheck.

[Skittles]

18. she is absolutely disgusting

[ProfessionalLeftist]

15. Nancy disGrace is a goddamned parasite

I despise that flea. Her friend Diane Dimond is as bad.

EDIT: perhaps Nancy disGrace ought to be charged with manslaughter in the death of "Vodka Mom". I think that would be appropriate.

[Renew Deal]

19. Nancy Grace is filth.

[SmileyRose]

20. Nancy Grace is one of the few human beings I can honestly say I hate.

Melinda Duckett. Rest in peace.

[47of74]

21. Could we please have Nancy Grace disbarred?

She is a disgrace to the legal profession. And to what's left of journalism in this country.

[Archae]

22. Nancy Grace is also a serial liar.

In March 2006, an article in the New York Observer suggested that in her book Objection!, Grace had embellished the story of her college fiancé's 1979 murder and the ensuing trial to make it better support her image. Grace has described the tragedy as the impetus for her career as a prosecutor and victims' rights advocate, and has often publicly referred to the incident.[47] The Observer researched the murder and found several apparent contradictions between the events and Grace's subsequent statements, including the following:
Her fiancé, Keith Griffin, was shot not at random by a stranger, but by a former coworker, Tommy McCoy.
McCoy did not have a prior criminal record and, rather than denying the crime, confessed on the night of the murder.
The jury deliberated for a few hours, not days.
There was no ongoing string of appeals (McCoy's family did not want any). McCoy has only once filed a habeas petition, which was rejected.

Grace told the Observer she had not looked into the case in many years and "tried not to think about it."[47] She said she made her previous statements about the case "with the knowledge I had."[47]

In response to Keith Olbermann's claims in a March 2007 Rolling Stone interview in which he was quoted as saying, "Anybody who would embellish the story of their own fiancé's murder should spend that hour a day not on television but in a psychiatrist's chair,"[48] Grace stated, "I did not put myself through law school and fight for all those years for victims of crime to waste one minute of my time, my energy, and my education in a war of words with Keith Olbermann, whom I've never met nor had any disagreement. I feel we have X amount of time on Earth, and that when we give in to our detractors or spend needless time on silly fights, I think that's abusing the chance we have to do something good."[48][49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_grace#Allegations_regarding_fianc.C3.A9.27s_murder

[sakabatou]

23. She's done a lot of this kind of crap before

Which is why I call her Nancy DisGrace

[Generic Brad]

26. Remember when news personalities didn't call regular people names?

Nancy Grace is a bully.

[Prophet 451]

29. Nancy Grace is an idiot

You would hope that someone who has a law degree would understand that a charge of murder requires that the killer have a mens rea ("guilty mind&quot and someone who was asleep cannot form one. One cannot commit murder by accident, it's a crime of specific intent.

Nancy Grace long ago became a ultraconservative on legal matters. Always presumes guilt, always argues for the most extreme penalty possible.

[Gore1FL]

30. It would be nice to her called on her bullying

Especially if it was done Nancy Grace style.

[drmeow]

31. I thought the same thing

when I saw the story.

[SunSeeker]

33. Even sober sleeping women can--and do--roll over and accidentally smother their babies.

That is why hospitals won't let you sleep with your baby after giving birth, and why it is discouraged at home. But we all do it. Who has not fallen asleep next to their small child? Not all of us have nannies like Nancy Grace.

[Taverner]

34. Evil - and visibly so

[madinmaryland]

35. Too bad Grover Norquist hasn't worked on getting Nancy Grace into a bathtub.

Fucking douchebags.

[PavePusher]

37. Somewhere, I once called Ms. Grace "a shrieking harpy of blood-lust".

I've seen no reason to redact that, and should probably add to it.

[LiberalFighter]

38. Nancy Grace is evil! So is CNN for continuing to give her a slot on tv.

What would be fit for someone like her is for 30 gallons of dog urine be dumped in her car and her home secretly marked with dog urine that she doesn't realize it for several weeks. Probably sooner if she has dogs of her own.

[rhett o rick]

40. Nancy has figured out how to make money on vengeance. Vengeance is not justice.

Vengeance is a sickness but it is popular and often get glamorized in movies and tv. Death Wish and Dirty Harry for a couple of examples. We even see it right here in DU city. When someone brutally reacts to some grievous crime, it isnt acceptable. It is a reaction that many of us might also have under the same circumstances, but that doesnt make it right. It's taking the law into your own hands, it's vengeance. I dont blame those people because as I said, we ourselves might react the same way, but I am saddened by those that applaud such actions.
In the old west, if you accused some poor slob of stealing your horse, more than likely the town bullies would get together and lynch the poor bastard, guilty or not.
To some, like Nancy Grace, vengeance is more important than justice.

[go west young man]

41. Nancy Grace is just one more succubus frothing at the tit,

preaching morality while she does her vindictive fucked up shtick. It was quite obvious with the Elizabeth Smart case that Nancy is a lech just in it for the money. Elizabeth could see right through her which does give one hope for the youth of the country. As far as Nancy goes she knows what she does is tinted with the same evil she pretends to despise so much. She is the mirror she feigns to hate so much.

[mzmolly]

42. My guess is she was far more distraught over losing

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her child, than anything Nancy Grace had to say? I agree the Mother was negligent. However, I just read that the baby had pneumonia. I wonder if in her twisted, alcohol infused mind, she was making sure her infant was safe? Ugh.

[NRaleighLiberal]

43. simple answer - if no one watched her, she wouldn't be on the TeeVee.

I just can't do that to myself - only caught fleeting glimpses (when we had extended cable - no more!) - life's too short to waste any time on garbage like her.

[MrMickeysMom]

48. I bet most don't watch her...

Not when they have segments on the internet to convince in less than 10 seconds what an opportunistic bad element she is.

I'd hope she peruses DU for comment to know what a disGrace she is.

[jeff47]

54. She's on cable. 95% of shows on cable don't get enough viewers to exceed Nielsen MOE

The vast majority of cable shows do not get enough viewers to break the margin of error on Nielsen Ratings. We really don't know if anyone's watching her show, because the ratings are too low.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. One of these days someone is going to launch themselves over the desk

at one of these Right Wing assholes and before the crew can pull them off there's going to be blood.

I'm not talking "punched in the nose".

I'm talking tearing them limb from limb. This is broken bones, crushed throat and eyes gouged out stuff that happens when one kills with their bare hands.

[upi402]

49. She can tell you 'bout the plane crash... with a gleam in her eye

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde
comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry


Don Henley had it right here. Nancy Grace a dirty filth dealer taking a self-righteous pose.

[MsPithy]

50. In a compassionate civilization this woman would be offered kindness

and an opportunity for healing. Accidentally killing her own baby would be accepted as an extreme punishment that the rest of us should help her overcome. People who have committed great wrongs should have the opportunity to make amends.

Nancy Grace makes money off the disasters of others. She is so beneath contempt that I do not even have the words to describe how hateful she is.

What network is she on? I will never watch it.

[elleng]

51. and pretty clear 'murder' not appropriate.

[HiPointDem]

52. agree. i can't stand that b***h. ambulance-chaser is too mild for what she is, weeping crocodile

tears all the way to the fucking bank.

[Lint Head]

53. The sad thing is that Grace is pandering to a particular demographic that gets off on this garbage.

The stand your ground crowd probably loves this.

[Buns_of_Fire]

55. An entire thread about Nancy Grace without the term

"Flaming Nostrils of Justice" being used. Hmm. I have now corrected that oversight.

Although, as noted above, "shrieking harpy" probably works better.

[6000eliot]

57. Why do people watch ghouls like her?

[4th law of robotics]

62. Why do people rubberneck at accidents?

Innate desire to see someone else's blood splattered on the pavement.

[cwydro]

59. no,

not going to blame this on Nancy.

[HappyMe]

60. Nancy Nostrils is a ghoulish harpy.

I'm wondering if this woman had post-partum depression. Had she gotten the proper help, this may not have happened.

[cwydro]

68. The woman was obviously an alcoholic.

Can't blame this on a damn tv show.

[4th law of robotics]

61. "She got depressed and said life wasn't worth living. She said she couldn't live with herself."

This is actually a very common reaction to watching Nancy Grace.

Her show ought to come with a disclaimer.

[HappyMe]

63. Better yet, just yank her bullshit off of the air.

[MrScorpio]

64. No disagreement there...

[Tom Ripley]

65. Nancy Grace is just a professional wrestler who keeps her shirt on

[Uncle Joe]

66. I agree on all counts, personally I don't believe Grace cared about the baby either except as to his

usefulness in her latest blood lust, ambulance chasing story prop.

Grace has no grace.

Thanks for the thread, The Velveteen Ocelot.

[Gregorian]

69. IF she had rolled over and smothered her boyfriend, what would Grace have said?

Why am I seeing a pattern here. Isn't this just the same old "children" mantra? "Think of the children!"

Isn't this just the same old pathetic conservative mantra.


What about all of the dismembered, dead, orphaned, children in the countries that George and Dick invaded? Is that going to far from the subject? I doubt it. Did she give a shit about them? Did she call for murder charges for them?

[LynneSin]

72. Gotta love the flaring nares of justice at work

[craigmatic]

73. She should be on fox because they do the same fake news tactics there.

All this and she totally neglected the Trayvon Martin case when it started she's just a fraud and doesn't care about anyone really they're just news stories to her and after this blows over she'll fina another one.

[Liberal_in_LA]

74. kick

[bluesbassman]

75. Terrible chain of events made worse by a despicable person.

Grace should be ashamed of herself, but I truly believe she lacks the character to have such a feeling.

[closeupready]

77. A civil suit, with Grace's public smear episode, is a slam-dunk IMHO.

Saying that as a non-lawyer.

[Mimosa]

87. I hope you're right. n/t

[bowens43]

78. there is nothing Nancy loves more then a dead or abused baby....

you can eyes light up every time she has a new victim to exploit. She is every bit as vile as the perpetrators of the crimes.

[truebrit71]

79. So the Flaming Nostrils of Justice have claimed another victim?

Eventually some will see a pattern develop...

[mysuzuki2]

81. I do not like mean people. Ergo; I do not like Nancy Grace.

[mstinamotorcity]

82. It is easy to

watch someone else's pain and misery and be judgemental and also profit from it. Almost every reality show is about ex-stars, their wives, their children,sports figures,their wives, and who would think an ex-reality star could get a reality show. Snooki? Omarossa? Tanisha gets married? I am not against making money, but I think America will be reality bored soon. As for Ms Grace, I see her adding to her own demise of her show. We are all accountable. May not happen when we think, but it does happen.

[geardaddy]

83. Who needs courts

when we have the Flaring Nostrils of Justice?

[Beacool]

84. I agree, I can't stand her.

The mother did something very stupid, but she never meant to kill her baby. Nancy Grace lacks compassion and empathy. It's a double tragedy, the family lost two loved ones. One by negligence and the other one by bullying.

[Mimosa]

85. Without knowing story had no problem sussing race of mother. WHY?

There's something about Nancy.

To quote my best buddy, an MD, am I right or am I right?

[polichick]

89. She seems to get off on causing pain - which is sociopathic.

[Faygo Kid]

93. Like O'Reilly with Tiller the Baby Killer.

They'll keep doing it. It's all about the $$$.

They don't take responsibility for their actions on the Right.

[miyazaki]

95. The murder in Coronado of

Rebecca Zahau was probably to put it, one of the more interesting cases for her to
cover in her line of work. Yet she spent a whole fifteen minutes on it (with commercials).
You see, she doesn't like Asians.

[KansDem]

97. I find these stories extremely saddening...

"Parent exercises poor judgment leading to death of child leading to suicide of parent"

I still remember this story from 2001--

Dad Pays for Son's Death With Suicide

A man who was due to report to jail for the death of his 2-year-old son apparently killed himself in the same mountains where the boy wandered off and froze.

Paul Wayment's body was found Wednesday, hours after he was supposed to surrender to begin serving a 30-day sentence. A hunting rifle and pair of binoculars were found at Wayment's side.

Wayment, 38, pleaded no contest Tuesday to negligent homicide for leaving son Gage alone in a pickup truck for 45 minutes while he scouted for deer last October. When Wayment returned, the boy was gone. Gage's frozen body was found five days later, more than a mile from the truck.

"In one brief and monumental moment while Gage slept in the truck, I made the biggest mistake of my life," Wayment said before his sentencing. "If I could change places with my son, I would give up my life in a second."

Wayment apparently shot himself in the head, Summit County sheriff's Detective Robert Berry said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92851&page=1

As a parent of two, I can imagine the guilt and sorrow...