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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/07/trump-mexico-border-wall-pena-nieto-g20-summit
Trump humiliates Mexican president again over border wall
* During G20 meeting, Trump says Mexico will absolutely finance wall
* Many Mexicans infuriated by Peña Nietos unwillingness to push back
Donald Trump has again humiliated Mexicos president Enrique Peña Nieto by repeating his claim in the presence of the Mexican leader that Americas southern neighbour would pay for a border wall.
Peña Nieto allowed Trumps comments to go unchallenged when the two leaders met on the sidelines of the G20 meeting in Hamburg on Friday. ....
The meeting the first between the two leaders since Trump took office again highlighted Trumps insensitivities toward Mexico, while Peña Nietos passivity brought back bad memories for many Mexicans. ....
Earlier this year, the Mexican government announced that the two presidents had agreed not to talk in public about the wall a deal that Trump has honored in the breach.
Trumps apparent inability to talk to Peña Nieto without offending Mexico, and the Mexican presidents apparent unwillingness to push back, have infuriated many Mexicans. ....
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MyNameIsKhan
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(70,652 posts)Here we're fairly much solidified into Blue *or* Red, perhaps largely from family heritage, leaving aside whoever the "Independents" are and especially leaving aside the Third partiests.
So back when Vicente FOX's PAN party overthrew the 70(?) years of PRI, I thought it was odd, since what little I thought I knew was that the PRI had been the one that emerged from the aftermath of dictatorship and revolution and had cut through the role of Catholicism in government. What I began to learn was that the PRI was infested with corruption.
But then FOX became known as a solid, intelligent force. Fine.
So my friends, who are small business people, who work hard, who enjoy a hard won slightly upper middle class life, were strongly for FOX/PAN. Fine. Above all, they were stridently against AmLO (LOPEZ Obrador), the rabble rouser and megalomanic. Fine.
So after FOX came CALDERON of the PAN, who seemed to me to be similarly stable, but puzzingly to me there were rumblings of dissatisfaction about him. As I say, I know next to nothing about what actually goes on.
So then the PRI came back, with the AmLO dude having created a new party of his own and having posted a credible challenge.
Here's my point of all this: In that cycle, I was *SHOCKED* to hear my friends then abandoning the PAN and actually being ALL FOR the AmLO dude. To me it was like RAYGUN starting out as an FDR Dem and turning into a wingnut (but from the other direction). I definitely asked for an explanation and they said that the PRI had to be fought for its corruption at all costs, and that AmLO had "LEARNED and CHANGED." I never got a clear explanation about what was wrong with PAN.
So, what my "insight" was is that, unlike how here we're THIS or THAT, over there, they are FLUID in their partisanship, are SITUATIONAL, are (looking for the word... = found it: ) PRAGMATIC.