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applegrove

(118,460 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:42 PM Jul 2017

An atheist Muslim on what the left and right get wrong about Islam

by Sean Illing at Vox

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/7/15886862/islam-trump-isis-terrorism-ali-rizvi-religion-sam-harris

"SNIP...........

Ali Rizvi

I grew up in a moderate to liberal Muslim family in three Muslim-majority countries that were culturally very different. I developed certain perspectives about the religion and the Muslim experience that most others didn’t have. I’m not just talking about Islam itself, but also the Muslim experience, which is more personal and more to do with identity rather than ideology or belief.

Like most issues, in the United States especially, the conversation around this issue — about Islam, Muslims, and terrorism — eventually diverged into the left and the right. You had the liberals with their view, and the conservatives with their view, and I felt both of them were really missing the mark. They were both conflating “Islam” the ideology and “Muslim” the identity. Islam is a religion; it’s a set of beliefs, a bunch of ideas in a book. It's not human. Muslims are real, living, breathing people, and to me, there's a big difference between criticizing ideas and demonizing human beings.

Sean Illing

And your sense was that both the left and the right were failing to capture this distinction?

Ali Rizvi

Neither side was making that distinction. On the left, people were saying that if you have any criticism against Islam, then you were a bigot against all Muslims. On the right, it was like, there are a lot of problematic things in Islamic scripture, so everyone who is Muslim must be banned, or profiled, or demonized. Both sides weren't making that distinction between challenging ideas, which has historically moved societies forward, and demonizing human beings, which only rips societies apart.


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An atheist Muslim on what the left and right get wrong about Islam (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2017 OP
recommended. JHan Jul 2017 #1
Ali Rizvi is great oberliner Jul 2017 #2
An atheist Muslim is an oxymoron NobodyHere Jul 2017 #3
Uh, wouldn't the oxy be "atheist Islamist"? UTUSN Jul 2017 #4
By definition a Muslim is a follower of Islam NobodyHere Jul 2017 #6
We're reading the o.p. differently? UTUSN Jul 2017 #8
Later in the article he goes into how he follows certain Muslim holidays applegrove Jul 2017 #5
One can be a culturally religious Nevernose Jul 2017 #7

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
7. One can be a culturally religious
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:07 AM
Jul 2017

But not a believer in the supernatural. See: 2/3s of the Jews I know or am related to.

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