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mcar

(42,302 posts)
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:44 AM Jul 2017

Pierce: What Do the Russians 'Have' on the Trump Family? Fear.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a56218/trump-junior-russian-meeting/

So, Donald Trump The Second now has his ass in a crack because he went out after something that hundreds of elite political journalists have sought since at least 1991—some dirt on the Clintons. The difference, of course, is that many of the latter took meetings with every poolroom liar and state house grifter in the state of Arkansas. According to the remarkable one-two thrown by The New York Times over the weekend, Junior went spelunking for slime in an incredible universe of murderous gangsters, which shares a very big chunk of the Russian government's Venn diagram with the political elite of that country. Forgive my cynicism, but Junior would have been better off hanging out at the Mena Airport, or maybe tossing back a few at Parker Dozhier's fish camp...

This, then, is Junior's official explanation: I thought we were colluding to ratfck the Democratic candidate, and the presidential election in general, but then she started talking about getting the mobsters' money back. Bitch set me up...

Right now, there are more Russians involved in this story than there are in War and Peace. Many of them have the power to cloud men's minds; how else to explain the fact that both Kushner and Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III both forgot to mention to the responsible vetting agencies meetings with various Russians. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the statue in the Lincoln Memorial was wearing a fur hat some morning very soon. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if the R in Rhode Island suddenly turned backwards...

What I believe I see here is an incredibly corrupt American family doing business with criminal gangs that are way, way out of their league, and that are in league with the institutions of government, and the formidable security apparatus, of an authoritarian state. Talk about punching out of your weight class. This isn't cheating some poor subcontractor. These people throw you out windows. And the Trumps have being doing business in this financial abattoir for years. This doesn't make them sharp. This makes them compliant minnows in a shark tank.
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Pierce: What Do the Russians 'Have' on the Trump Family? Fear. (Original Post) mcar Jul 2017 OP
This Is A WoW Me. Jul 2017 #1
Would be a WOW if it were a democrat or if patriots were in charge of the government. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #26
Sorry ER Me. Jul 2017 #31
Only one man's vote in the United States actually matters at this point GeoWilliam750 Jul 2017 #35
Yet, about a year ago there was a lot of "never Trump" messaging spewed from Faux. Ligyron Jul 2017 #41
I know, I am just expressing my anger at "private server" or "speech" thinking Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #36
Avoidable Jakes Progress Jul 2017 #46
Charles Pierce has such a way with words. aquamarina Jul 2017 #2
He really does mcar Jul 2017 #7
Another K&R! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #3
The Russians have "receipts" FM123 Jul 2017 #4
Did the same as Correlones did to Senator in onit2day Jul 2017 #25
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #5
Woah! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #6
"Right now, there are more Russians involved in this story than there are in War and Peace." mcar Jul 2017 #8
Compliant minnows in a shark tank sheshe2 Jul 2017 #9
Loved that line! PatSeg Jul 2017 #28
Excellent piece! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2017 #10
Bit by bit PJMcK Jul 2017 #11
I hope that the investigating PTB... maddiemom Jul 2017 #12
Don't you think they're all being scrutinized? PJMcK Jul 2017 #13
No doubt whatsoever about McConnell and ryan pangaia Jul 2017 #19
Ryan's definitely got a few potential problems hanging overhead. maddiemom Jul 2017 #33
McConnell fought President Obama's desire to release news of Russia's meddling PJMcK Jul 2017 #34
Pence, as head of transition, informed by regd letter that Mike Flynn had lied about Russia contacts Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #21
I tend to believe what you believe. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #14
That is the problem PatSeg Jul 2017 #30
I think you're right. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #37
Nobody gets away with PatSeg Jul 2017 #39
I sure hope so. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #42
I know how you feel PatSeg Jul 2017 #49
OMG Botany Jul 2017 #15
Yet America is fast asleep Politicub Jul 2017 #16
YIKERS! I couldn't have said it better myself.. pangaia Jul 2017 #17
Once again, pierce puts it all together Hekate Jul 2017 #18
Vlad to Donald: You better hope there are no tapes or videos keithbvadu2 Jul 2017 #20
Charlie Pierce fmdaddio Jul 2017 #22
Link, please? Fritz Walter Jul 2017 #24
Charlie Pierce fmdaddio Jul 2017 #29
Me too mcar Jul 2017 #27
The Don went to the Russian Mafia to "Borrow" money. LiberalArkie Jul 2017 #23
Early on, the Trumps made a deal with the devil (Putin) to stay rich. SunSeeker Jul 2017 #32
Interesting take on it bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #38
"Right now, there are more Russians involved in this story than there are in War and Peace." LakeArenal Jul 2017 #40
It really is, Lake mcar Jul 2017 #45
Last Paragraph Especially. nt zentrum Jul 2017 #43
fear and sex!! onecent Jul 2017 #44
Russians have evidence of treason and breaking US sanctions. Jakes Progress Jul 2017 #47
I've been saying for months this point about "mortal fear" and Trump's indebtedness to the Russian WinkyDink Jul 2017 #48

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
26. Would be a WOW if it were a democrat or if patriots were in charge of the government.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jul 2017

What it is in reality is just another day of treason for the GOP.

GOP is in charge. Move along, nothing to see here.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
31. Sorry ER
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jul 2017

But I think each time there is a new crime it must be pointed out, sooner or later the load will become so heavy it will bring the roof down on his head.



GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
35. Only one man's vote in the United States actually matters at this point
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:57 PM
Jul 2017

Until Rupert Murdoch decides to vote against President Trump, 30% of the United States will support President Trump until the bitterest of ends. No Republican office holder at any level can vote or speak against Trump, and then survive having Fox turn the blow torch on them. Paul Ryan caved in overnight.

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
41. Yet, about a year ago there was a lot of "never Trump" messaging spewed from Faux.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:38 PM
Jul 2017

my, my, how things change.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
36. I know, I am just expressing my anger at "private server" or "speech" thinking
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 04:06 PM
Jul 2017

If you know what I mean.

This was ALL avoidable but I am not allowed to discuss that here.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
46. Avoidable
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:13 PM
Jul 2017

if so many on the left not been as susceptible to russian and right wing propaganda as many on the right. But I'm not allowed to discuss that here.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
25. Did the same as Correlones did to Senator in
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jul 2017

Godfather II where senator awoke covered in blood with a dead hooker complete with photographs. All those teen beauty pageants in Russia he arranged. What kind of man does that? The kind that grabs 'em by the pussy and brags about it.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. Bit by bit
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jul 2017

The Russians must have lots of information about Trump. How could they not? He's been doing business with them for years. We know that the oligarchs he's dealt with are mobbed-up criminals. Trump's own grotesque tastes probably put him in compromising situations but he was too stupid to realize it at the time. Only later was he told they have video or financial records or other information to blackmail Trump.

Little bit by little bit, elements of the Steele Dossier seem to be getting corroboration. Are there tapes of the urinating hookers? Do the Russians have Trump's tax returns? What else is going to come to light?

Damn, I hope Robert Mueller blows this jackass out of the water.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
12. I hope that the investigating PTB...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

keep in mind that Pence, at the very least by association, is tarred by the same brush.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
13. Don't you think they're all being scrutinized?
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:39 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)

The corruption is rampant in TrumpWorld. Every single one of them is compromised and I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell and Ryan are in on it, too.

I hope Mr. Mueller is casting his nets far and wide.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. No doubt whatsoever about McConnell and ryan
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jul 2017

And quite a few other higher ups....


There is such a wide-spread web, how does Mueller keep track of it all?
I can't even find my car in the grocery parking lot. And I just bought a RED one!!

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
33. Ryan's definitely got a few potential problems hanging overhead.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:08 PM
Jul 2017

McConnell's not close enough in succession to worry about (Orrin Hatch would be after Ryan), but I'd love to see Mitch get his comeuppance. The man is evil.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
34. McConnell fought President Obama's desire to release news of Russia's meddling
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 2017

McConnell and other Republicans didn't want the president to inform Americans that the Russians were interfering in our elections. Traitorous scum!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
21. Pence, as head of transition, informed by regd letter that Mike Flynn had lied about Russia contacts
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:52 PM
Jul 2017

Republican Pence then lied about not knowing so tRump could claim when he fired Flynn that Pence did not know about the contacts.

Pence is complicit in the coverup and maybe the collusion.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
14. I tend to believe what you believe.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jul 2017

"What I believe I see here is an incredibly corrupt American family doing business with criminal gangs that are way, way out of their league, and that are in league with the institutions of government, and the formidable security apparatus, of an authoritarian state."

Add to that an enormous (may I even say "bigly&quot ego that seems to be in the basic DNA of each and everything that is Trump, and the simple fact that they've gotten away with shady dealings in the past which have emboldened them to try bigger and riskier things.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
30. That is the problem
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jul 2017

Trump and family have gotten away with so much corruption and deceit for decades and as you say, it has "emboldened them to try bigger and riskier things". I don't think it ever dawned on Trump that he might be held accountable for all his misdeeds and illegal activities.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
37. I think you're right.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jul 2017

And, like you I'm sure, I think it's time the jackass be made to pay the piper. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

I'm waiting...

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
39. Nobody gets away with
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 05:59 PM
Jul 2017

this kind of thing forever. Trump's biggest mistake was running for president. The vetting is brutal and so many skeletons are coming out of his golden closets.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
42. I sure hope so.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 07:21 PM
Jul 2017

But I have my doubts. The system is rigged in his favor. Too many idiots destined to follow him off a cliff.

I keep hoping!!!!

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
49. I know how you feel
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:55 AM
Jul 2017

One day I'm optimistic that truth and justice will prevail and the next I am filled doubts and dread. Democracies do fail and tyrants often prevail. Perhaps we've taken too much for granted for too long. I'm not sure which day this is yet, too early to tell!

Botany

(70,490 posts)
15. OMG
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jul 2017

This, then, is Junior's official explanation: I thought we were colluding to ratfck the Democratic candidate, and the presidential election in general, but then she started talking about getting the mobsters' money back. Bitch set me up...

fmdaddio

(192 posts)
22. Charlie Pierce
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jul 2017

I read Charlie's column 5 days a week. He has always cut through the bullshit with style and wit to spare. As in Vulgar talking Yam or the day of jubilee reference. BTW he has 2 more postings today that just hit it out of the park.

fmdaddio

(192 posts)
29. Charlie Pierce
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:51 PM
Jul 2017

Sorry not that good at copying links. Just Google Charles P Pierce and go to the Esquire link. No subscription required.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
27. Me too
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jul 2017

I've been following him for ages, back when he was a sportswriter. He has a great style.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
23. The Don went to the Russian Mafia to "Borrow" money.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jul 2017

Last year it was put to him, "You will be president or we will kill you, your children, their children, your cousins, your pets if you don't"

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
32. Early on, the Trumps made a deal with the devil (Putin) to stay rich.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:07 PM
Jul 2017

Because without their money, they really are nothing. Donald had just pissed away the family fortune on disastrously unprofitable casinos and was in bankruptcy. Little Ivanka was probably worried where the hundreds of thousands of dollars would come from to transform her utterly ordinary looks into that of a Barbie doll. Uday and Qusay feared their nonexistent job skills would land them in--gasp--dreary middle class sales jobs. Donald feared not being a millionaire, let alone a billionaire, would render him a nonentity. They would do anything to avoid that.

Agreeing to be Putin patsies was an easy call for the Trumps under the circumstances. It gave them all the sweet, sweet kleptocrat cash they needed, and all they had to give up was their souls (which they had no use for anyway).

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
38. Interesting take on it
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 05:51 PM
Jul 2017

The FBI and IC have their work cut out for them. Finding the political muscle is no mean feat either.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
40. "Right now, there are more Russians involved in this story than there are in War and Peace."
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jul 2017

Just a perfect comment.. Best of the day for sure.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
47. Russians have evidence of treason and breaking US sanctions.
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jul 2017

They can put his whole family in prison any time.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
48. I've been saying for months this point about "mortal fear" and Trump's indebtedness to the Russian
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 05:42 AM
Jul 2017

Mob.

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