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Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:00 PM

Will Trump Attempt to Fire Mueller?

It seems like a lead pipe lock that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia & that the result of Robert Mueller's investigation will eventually be severely damaging to Trump. Trump has already demonstrated his willingness to cross any bounds, attack any messenger, try to sell the most blatant falsehoods to get by.

Given the inevitable result of Mueller's investigation and that he doesn't have the protection of the special counsel statute that used to exist, and that he can be terminated by the Justice Dept., it seems to me to be a certainty that Dump will try to terminate Mueller. He's probably waiting for an opportune moment where they can cook up some bullshit scenario to try to discredit Mueller with while doing it, that the 35% of zombies that like the CNN wrestling video will buy into.

What do you think is the likelihood that Trump will try to terminate Mueller? What is the chance that he will succeed? Firing Comey cost Trump in that Mueller was appointed, but that was still probably worth it to him, because Comey had greater resources and subpoena power at the FBI than Mueller has, and Trump bought time while Mueller assembled staff and got up to speed. I think Trump is bound to decide that he'd rather fight the consequences of firing Mueller than face the evidence that he will eventually present.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:08 PM

1. Firing Mueller won't save him. Just as firing Comey didn't save him. Just made it worst.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:10 PM

2. If Mueller presents rock solid proof of collusion or even treason, what makes anybody

think HIS justice dpt will do anything about it?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:14 PM

3. Patriots in our govt will continue on.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:17 PM

4. I hope so. I cant help but remember this was all avoidable, but some folks

just couldnt vote for...never mind

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:19 PM

5. yeah completely avoidable

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:36 PM

7. Firing Comey may not have made it worse

Trump replaced Comey with Mueller, who has much less subpoena power and resources than the Director of the FBI did. If the investigation is grinding toward an inexorable conclusion anyway, Mueller's decreased powers are an improvement for Trump over having Comey still on the job.

I think there's bound to be some kind of alt right propaganda attack to try to discredit Mueller. Some pizzagate, swift boat thing is just around the corner. Trump has no scruples whatsoever and is going to pull out all the stops to attempt to remain in power. I'd be shocked if the investigation is allowed to peacefully continue without a major assault on it and attempt to terminate it.

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Response to MrPurple (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:50 PM

8. Interesting theory but Mueller's no doubt working with the FBI

He's put together a great team, none of whom are fools.

IMHO The PePe brigade won't influence anybody but their fellow nutcases.

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Response to MrPurple (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 07:06 PM

9. Special Counsel has full prosecutorial power

Mueller has more authority than Comey, because he can do both the investigation and the prosecution, whereas Comey could only do the investigation and would have had to refer the prosecution to DOJ. If Trump wanted to scuttle the investigation, his best bet would have been to load DOJ with partisan hacks. But it's too late for that now.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 08:47 PM

10. I hope your understanding is the correct one

I thought that Mueller can only issue a report and make recommendations to the DOJ and that he can be terminated at Rosenstein's discretion, or at the discretion of Rosenstein's replacement, if he is terminated.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 06:23 PM

6. If Trump then gets impeached he can't then pardon Flynn and Donald JR.

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