Trump Campaign Summoned Veselnitskaya to Trump Tower in 2016, Not the Other Way Around

[RandySF]

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[democratisphere]

1. drumpf loves Russia and Russians far more than he likes America and Americans.

Maybe Vlad will grant drumpf and his entire family and cabinet asylum when they are finally indicted.

[Hekate]

2. The Russians lie as State policy, and the Trumps lie as pathology. Round and round it goes...

...and where it stops, nobody knows.

[ffr]

3. Mueller. Mueller. Mueller. Anyone seen Mueller?

Time to begin questioning the pResident on what he knew and when. Then go directly to jail for the entire KGOP who willingly colluded with tRump and his minions instead of going to the FBI with the news.

[nikibatts]

4. If that is the case, then the whole story falls apart. The e-mails indicate the other way around.

Is she lying to throw the story off? How and why would they contact her first? Or had they contacted her outside the the time frame of the e-mail chain?

[Demsrule86]

5. Of course she is lying. The emails speak for themselves.

They may have put it out that they were interested in some dirt on Hillary Clinton before the meeting and the Kremlin obliged.

[onlyadream]

6. I'm confused

Veselnitskaya didnt have any damaging info, so why did she meet with Jr? What did the Russians have to gain by this?

[OnDoutside]

7. Who is to say any of them are telling the truth now ? BOTH of them are probably lying as to what

happened at the meeting. It was damage control.

Because Kushner's lawyers threw this meeting out there (and likely gave those emails to NYT), the truth, up to a point, was going to come out, so the Trumps tried limply to set the narrative. But Kushner was trying to set the narrative too, to save his own neck. As the only Government official, he stands to come out the worst of this, so far.

[yardwork]

14. I think that they're all lying. The meeting was part of the business deals between Trump and Russia.

The meeting wasn't Don Jr's dumb idea. The meeting wasn't about Hillary. It was part of the much larger deal where Russia put Trump in the White House in return for removing sanctions and partnering on huge oil deals.

Pence is in on it. Tillerson is in on it. McConnell is in on it. So is Sessions.

[OnDoutside]

15. No, I think it was Campaign related, the timeline suggests that it was anti-Hillary. Business

deals, Exxon/Tillerson, came in at some stage (I suspect later because Trump was only about to win the Rep nomination at that stage), but it looks much more like "We have all these hacked emails (which we know the Russian already had), here's what you can do in return", with the Ukraine motion at the Rep Convention being a small part.

[yardwork]

16. Yes, but the two angles are part of the larger deal.

What I'm saying is that this meeting wasn't some isolated dumb idea of Junior's. It was part of a much bigger plan. Junior was sent to this meeting - and probably others, although he is pretty dumb and wouldn't have been the main go-to person. That's Kushner.

I agree with what you're saying too. The Russians helped defeat Hillary in many ways - funding data analytics, hackers, Wikileaks, fake news sites, campaign contributions to Republicans running in state and federal races - to put their agent Trump in the White House and ensure Republican control of Congress.

It's a business deal worth trillions of dollars and the entire Republican Party is in on it.

[Progressive dog]

8. The criminals are claiming that there was no damaging info--

the criminals who lied about having the meeting and had multiple stories about why they had the meeting.
The Russians did hack our election, their motive is not only obvious but irrelevant to whether Americans conspired with them.

[PRETZEL]

12. I don't think her intention for this meeting was to actually deliver information

but to let the Trump Campaign know what the process they plan on using to get the info that they had out without directly involving the campaign.

If I remember correctly, it was shortly thereafter that Trump began his non stop claims about Sec. Clinton and the emails.

[onlyadream]

13. Yep, makes sense.

[Barack_America]

9. Happy to look over her evidence.

Tweets, texts, emails...let's see them.

[OnDoutside]

10. What I want to know now is

1. What was REALLY discussed at the meeting ?

2. What was in the subsequent emails ? It surely didn't end in what was released.

3. Who was the interpreter, and where is he/she now ?

4. How could a mouthy asshole like Don jr, who craves Don Sr's approval, not run to him to tell Donnie the news of this meeting, before AND after ? It defies belief.

5. NYT got these emails, which were from a Private account, from either Hackers (Russians potentially), Manafort's or Kushner's lawyers. How does that now sit with the Trumps, that the son-in-law hung out the son out to dry to save himself ? If this is not co-ordinated between them all, surely this is going to leave them pretty sore towards Kushner ?

6. How can Kushner keep his security clearance now ?

7. How much longer before he has to resign as Security Advisor ?

[ProfessorGAC]

11. What Am I Missing Here?

In reading this thread, it seems like folks are seeing this as some excuse for junior. This seems worse, not better.

Someone noted that it makes the whole thing fall apart, but i'm not getting that. If they summoned her, that seems to make them MORE culpable.

What am i missing?

[Grammy23]

17. Since all of the people involved in this mess are known liars---

why should we believe any of their explanations now? That is the problem with liars. How do you believe them once you know they are not averse to shading the truth if they think it serves them better? No, it will take more sleuthing and digging before we know exactly what happened. We have hints and clues that what we thought happened isn't an accurate assessment and the unfolding of this scandal seems to be accelerating. Let's hope this doesn't drag out for years but is resolved before tRump hands over the keys to the White House to Putin---if he hasn't already done so.