Anyone got the story on this alleged Ukraine/DNC thing

[boston bean]

the repugs keep referencing. I am sure it is bullshit, but seems none of the news persons seem to be able to address, and just look blankly at those spewing this shit.

What the hell is the story?

[annabanana]

1. muddy water to hide their crimes. . . n/t

[boston bean]

2. I believe that, but what the hell are they talking about?? how is this refuted.

What is the real story...

[annabanana]

3. I think we do their work for them if we admit

that it's something.

[boston bean]

7. I am not admitting anything. I want to understand what they are claiming so I can

refute it.

[underpants]

4. Here you go. Good short explanation from Slate

It’s important to remember that what’s ultimately concerning about Russiagate is the possibility that the Trump campaign—including staffers now employed in the White House by the president—worked with a hostile government whose leaders attempted to influence and disrupt the election with cyberattacks. The Chalupa story is about officials in an embassy passing along opposition research to a Democratic operative and reporters. The two episodes are not close to being the same, but that fact obviously won’t stop Trump’s supporters from deploying the story for yet another round of Clinton whataboutism.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/11/did_the_clinton_campaign_collude_with_ukraine.html

[cyclonefence]

5. according to the Washington Times

By S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Monday, July 10, 2017

The White House said Monday that the real collusion with a foreign power during the campaign was between the Democratic National Committee and Ukraine.

“If you are looking for an example of a campaign coordinating with foreign country or a foreign source, look no further than the DNC which actually coordinated opposition research with the Ukrainian embassy,” said White House principal deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders.

Fending off questions about Donald Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer during the presidential race, Mrs. Sanders noted at the daily White House press briefing that the DNC’s work with Ukraine was well documented.

DNC operatives worked with officials at the Ukraine embassy in an effort to spread dirt on Donald Trump during the campaign, according to reports.

“This is not an accusation. That is an on-the-record action that they took,” Mrs. Sanders said.

“No one in this room to my knowledge really had a problem with that,” she said.

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How in hell Ukraine had dirt on Donald Trump to share with the DNC, however, is beyond me.

[annabanana]

10. We don't usually reference the moonie times here . . . . n/t

[cyclonefence]

11. Thanks

[rufus dog]

6. This was posted by another DUer this morning.

Can't find the original thread right now but have the story open in another tab.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/11/did_the_clinton_campaign_collude_with_ukraine.html

[Cicada]

8. Russia is our enemy. Ukraine is our friend.

The main reason Putin hates Hillary is probably that she supported the overthrow of the previous pro-Russia leader of Ukraine. We probably did in Ukraine what Putin did in USA - interfered in a foreign election. We used to just have foreign leaders we did not like assassinated. Now we must be more careful because the word will get out.

Colluding with friends isn't as bad as colluding with enemies. But there is probably a reasonable argument that the Dems too are not free of sin.

[Demsrule86]

9. The Ukranians revealed Manafort's Russian connections. also, the DNC was involved/not Clinton.

From Slate...http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/11/did_the_clinton_campaign_collude_with_ukraine.html

"It’s important to remember that what’s ultimately concerning about Russiagate is the possibility that the Trump campaign—including staffers now employed in the White House by the president—worked with a hostile government whose leaders attempted to influence and disrupt the election with cyberattacks. The Chalupa story is about officials in an embassy passing along opposition research to a Democratic operative and reporters. The two episodes are not close to being the same, but that fact obviously won’t stop Trump’s supporters from deploying the story for yet another round of Clinton whataboutism."

[Blue_Tires]

12. here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/11/exploring-sean-hannitys-defense-of-donald-trump-jr-clinton-and-ukraine-did-it-too/?utm_term=.aa39b98cfcf7

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. See my post here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029318755

In sum, a Ukrainian-American consultant who did some work with the DNC decided to do some investigative work about Paul Manafort, she spoke to a few Ukrainian government officials and got some info, and apparently shared what she got with the DNC and some others, like Michael Isakoff. As far as I know, at no point did she even identify herself to Ukrainian officials as working for the DNC or Hillary's campaign.

That's it.

Really, that's it.

It's...what do you call it....oh yeah. A Nothing Burger.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the talking point isn't being pushed by Russia as just one more Fuck You to Ukraine.