I confess for about 5 minutes I had sympathy for Jr. and Kushner

[standingtall]

After all they are human beings so I wanted have compassion sense their human beings and if it were possible they could go to jail without pardons that could rip their family apart and ruin their lives. After all Sr. is the one that got them in this mess he is the real bad guy.

Then I remembered when the republican congress were have their beer bash orgy in the rose garden taking selfies and giving each other high fives to celebrate voting to rip heath care away from millions of people. Jarred and Ivanka stood up and cheered with big smiles on their faces. So obviously they didn't have a problem ruining the lives of 10 of millions of peoples families. So fuck them! Send them all to prison if possible!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for them, and I'm not an unsympathetic guy.

For example, while I don't like him and I think he does a really shitty job and he has only himself to blame for that, at times I've felt certain innate sympathies for Sean Spicer when he's basically been treated like a rag doll by his boss. (For example, keeping him from meeting the Pope)

But Junior and Kushner? It's hard for me to even briefly feel bad for them. Maybe you could say Junior just does what he does because it's his father and there's some sort of familial loyalty, but if my own father was so obviously dysfunctional like the Madman is (and thank God, he's not), I'd do all that I could to just minimize my role and dealings with him. Essentially do the Tiffany Trump thing and stay out of it other than a few family functions here and there. But Junior, along with Eric and Ivanka, willingly chose as adults to be front and center in being his father's braintrust and legacy and so they can't absolve themselves of that.

And Kushner knew what he was marrying into. It was a business deal for him and Trump. Jared was born of rotten stock (his father is a convicted felon) and he married into rotten stock, which makes me believe he himself is just as rotten.

Yeah, so if they are charged and convicted and have to spend time in prison, does it suck for their kids that they are separated from their father? Sure it does, but it sucks no more than it does for millions of other kids with incarcerated parents. Hopefully their kids will grow and understand the situation to the best that they can. And that doesn't mean they can't love their father as their father, but it doesn't absolve the father of what he did.

[politicaljunkie41910]

14. No sympathies here either and like you, I consider myself a sympathetic person, except when it comes

to Trump. If I knew my father was vastly unqualified to hold the office of the presidency and I knew he was thinking of running, I would have let my honest feelings be known, and not encourage him in any way. If he insisted I would have made my feelings become public (particularly since the Trump children know how truly corrupt and unethical their father is and where all the bodies are buried.) The presidency is not like playing a round of golf, something that anyone can do. It is a job that requires knowledge, discipline, a deliberate thought process, self-control, and a willingness to put the interests of the country ahead of your own. Trump has none of these qualities and his children would have all known this.

They also know that their father tried to destroy a good man in President Barack Obama, with his Kenyan lies and racist comments and attitudes towards black people which has turned back the civil rights gains that we had made as a nation.

Since they were willing to put their own personal ambitions and ultimately their greed before the nation's welfare, I don't give a damn about any of them and how they fair in this matter. If their father is impeached and possibly worse, I could care less. Their father, through his greed, is not only personally responsible for the major political, civil and racial discourse we are currently experiencing as a nation, but has caused major disruptions in our relationships with our alliances across the oceans, creating unnecessary worldly conflicts caused solely by his ignorance, and putting us all in jeopardy, unnecessarily.

[NCjack]

2. My sympathy goes as far as putting them in a family prison. For example, a block in

Little Siberia prison in NY.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Compassion is complicated. A person can feel empathy for the loss of potential among the Trumps --

the children they were, full of potential, and then deliberately emotionally stunted. No one should have to have the family life they did. But many people have, and have gone onto become productive, compassionate adults themselves. I feel sorry for the lost children they were, but condemn their current actions and reactions.

[Cicada]

4. And Nicole Wallace said Jr kills Baby Elephants just for sport

He deserves to go to hell just for that

[lpbk2713]

5. They are part of and represent the Privileged Class.

Forgive me but I felt antipathy toward them before I ever heard of them.

And I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

[SweetieD]

6. Junior and Kushner would stomp a boot in your face if it meant it made them a dollar.

Trust. They would have no sympathy for you under any circumstance.

[politicat]

7. I have sympathy for them in one way, but I can have sympathy and still deplore their actions.

I was raised by a pair of narcissists. I know intimately how warped one's perception of reality becomes if one is raised in a toxic environment. My family didn't have wealth or power to complicate it, and that made it so simple for me to walk away. I wasn't leaving anything worth having, and being totally precariously self-sufficient was no worse than being precariously dependent.

So I have sympathy for that. Being the child of a narcissist -- which is true in Kushner's case as well as Junior's -- is like being a fish adapted to brackish water who is in a salt or fresh tank. The fish can survive, but it won't thrive. It can't help but be in distress almost all the time, but because it's never known its proper environment, it cannot recognize it is in distress.

But one day, someone comes along and recognizes the fish doesn't belong in that tank and puts it in the right place. For Junior, the Princess and Kush, that day came when they were 18 or in college. Somebody had to have said, at some point, "dude, your family is fucked up." There is zero chance all of them made it to the ages they are without someone near them noticing how screwed their environment is.

That's how they get my sympathy. It's nearly impossible to reprogram yourself alone when all of your programming is tainted. (I had several great therapists and many gifted teachers and mentors.)

What they don't have is my forgiveness or absolution because they have shown no interest in breaking out, have shown no contrition for collaboration, and considered their own personal comfort and access more important than anyone else's. They're adults. They have significant advantages of wealth, education, and mental health access that others with equally difficult backgrounds do not have, and others have managed to leave. Others with more advantages have also managed to break out. Their choice to stay is what condemns them for me.

[wishstar]

8. Russia failed to provide dirt on Hillary so Kushner brought Bill Clinton accusers to debate

His involvement in that desperate move to smear Clintons and blow up debate was first time I realized depth of his craven corruption and willingness to do anything to help Trump get elected, undoubtedly because the prospect of massive Russian money/ loans were dangling as a reward for getting Trump elected and lifting sanctions.

Rumor has been that Kushner's back channel attempts ended with Rex Tillerson's nomination since Tillerson already had a private back channel to Putin to discuss financial deals that hinged on sanctions being lifted.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. Here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029317652

[Gabi Hayes]

10. Oops

Micro keyboard strikes again

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

12. I wonder which "superior" horse contributed those teeth to the family genes. nt

[Gabi Hayes]

13. Was noticing how gigantic jrs choppers look

Way too big for his gob

Almost like baba boey!

Dunning Kruger of the mouth to go along with the psyche, yes?

[MiddleClass]

11. That's exactly 4:59 minutes too late.

When you were young, did you find yourself sitting at home, laughing at jokes told in class that day?

[WinkyDink]

15. What? I say, I say, WHAT??!!??!! These two men didn't appear on the scene just this week!!