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Krystal Ball interviewed on Politics Done Right on Democratic Party failures (VIDEO) (Original Post) egbertowillies Jul 2017 OP
Dems fail to inspire rust belt WWC dudes. Beating that very dead horse. bettyellen Jul 2017 #1
It's also disproven by exit poll data BainsBane Jul 2017 #11
No mention of Russian interference? SHRED Jul 2017 #2
Host is biased so interview is deeply flawed Warpy Jul 2017 #3
Clinton kicked ass in the election. It took an "international criminal Org", pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #4
So Trump didn't cheat?!?!? YCHDT Jul 2017 #5
+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #10
So let's see, why did Russ Feingold lose against Ron Johnson again? In fact still_one Jul 2017 #6
Folks keep wanting to sweep Ron Johnson's victory under the rug. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #9
What's The Matter Krystal...Book Not Selling? Me. Jul 2017 #7
. Squinch Jul 2017 #8
Krystal Ball and her husband get rich off pump and dump stocks JI7 Jul 2017 #12
She's also a strong gun rights advocate and a member of the NRA. George II Jul 2017 #16
Might this OP be considered spam? George II Jul 2017 #13
Thanks, but no thanks. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #14
Krystal Ball and zombie lies mcar Jul 2017 #15
It is not mutually exclusive. Here is the deal egbertowillies Jul 2017 #19
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ hatrack Jul 2017 #17
A crystal ball is a prop used by grifters. OilemFirchen Jul 2017 #18

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
11. It's also disproven by exit poll data
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jul 2017

but why let facts get in the way of lucrative anti-Democratic propaganda?

Warpy

(111,169 posts)
3. Host is biased so interview is deeply flawed
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 02:51 PM
Jul 2017

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, so there is no way I'd slog through 41 minutes of this shit.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
4. Clinton kicked ass in the election. It took an "international criminal Org",
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 2017

FBI and trashing from Sanders to take her down. Still, 3 million more votes.

We really need to get the rhetoric that the Democratic Party has all these problems.

My guess, is we will find more that affected the election than what we know at this point.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
6. So let's see, why did Russ Feingold lose against Ron Johnson again? In fact
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jul 2017

why did every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing state lose to the ESTABLISHMENT, incumbent, republican?

and a good number of those Democrats were quite progressive.

Oh wait, I think I know, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist. We were constantly bombarded by the false memo that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats, the double standard setup by our illustrious media, propagation of fake news, not only from the right, but other circles as well, along with the FBI interference in our election, 11 days before the election, and the infiltration of Russian hackers

How convenient to leave out those small little details

emulatorloo

(44,071 posts)
9. Folks keep wanting to sweep Ron Johnson's victory under the rug.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jul 2017

Because it blows their false narrative to smithereens.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
15. Krystal Ball and zombie lies
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jul 2017

As the column referenced here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029331133 illustrates:.

It wasn’t economic anxiety. As a study co-sponsored by the Public Religion Research Institute and The Atlantic reported in May, people who were worried for their jobs voted for Hillary Clinton. But people who dislike Mexicans and Muslims, people who oppose same-sex marriage, people mortally offended at a White House occupied by a black guy with a funny name, they voted for Trump.

That’s the reality, and it’s time we quit dancing around it.

egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
19. It is not mutually exclusive. Here is the deal
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jul 2017

We cannot solve the problem of people being racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. But those problems coupled with personal economic stagnation means those people are opened to the fallacies that their prejudices are justified and caused by those groups they are prejudiced against.

I am not looking to be a friend of those people but I know we have shared interests. It is that that I want to work towards.

I wrote a piece where I quoted a Salon article from 2008 where an Obama canvasser asked a family who they were voting for. It was a racist family. The woman called out to her husband and asked who the family was voting for (I know, strange that she had to ask the husband). The husband shouted out, "We are voting for the ni$$er."

My point is Obama's messaging was always one that could reach enough, even the ones with many prejudices because he could connect some common interests in a manner that reached people. Democrats as whole have not. Losing did not begin with Hillary, it started long before and it is specifically because we leave too many on the table as unreachable.

We cannot keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Our losses on the state level are monumental. I think instead of discounting those that have other ideas, we should embrace them and at least try something different. We have the better platform. We are the party of ALL people, flawed and all. We can do better.

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