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Eko

(7,170 posts)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:17 PM Jul 2017

Trying to hash this out in my head.

We keep getting told that blue dogs are bad, that corporations are bad even if they support us, that the Democratic party is an absolute failure, that the liberal elites are bad, the party apparatus is bad, Pelosi is bad, the democratic leadership is bad, but we need to reach out to the "working class" and why are we turning away potential voters by not embracing those that voted for Trump? I'm all for trying to get through to them, but the hypocrisy of demonizing those that support us and have for a long time for the mythical "turn the Trump vote" is interesting to say the least.

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Eko

(7,170 posts)
7. Dont believe I ever said anything about the right wing media.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:37 PM
Jul 2017

As far as concern troll,
yeah, nope.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. What does the so-called "evil right wing media" have to do with this, it's not even mentioned....
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jul 2017

....in the OP.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
8. Nothing to digest
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jul 2017

These are possibilities:

1. Democrats win without the radical left;

2. Democrasts lose without the radical left;

3. The radical left shows enough discipline to not scuttle Democrats with ideological purity.

Of course the radical left could take control.

Right. Like that would ever happen.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
4. Democrats are a big mix of inclinations and interests,
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jul 2017

very difficult to organize.

I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. Will Rogers

Cary

(11,746 posts)
19. Actually it's easy
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:46 AM
Jul 2017

Enough people decide that they want to agree on policies and they vote for the candidates who will work to enact those policies. When you are in office and you have WE, THE PEOPLE behind you then it's all possible.

Focus on policies, not personalities. Vote Democratic!

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
6. We're the "big tent party". We need to find allies right now
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jul 2017

Amongst your list some are plausible, some are not.

I'm not a purist. I want Dems to take control in 2018. Do you?

Personally, we need Sanders' Dems and Democratic Socialists. They're not our enemies

Eko

(7,170 posts)
9. For "not our enemies"
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 09:40 PM
Jul 2017

they sure seem to want us to change the entire party to be something it is not. Kick out lifelong dems but embrace trump supporters. Sounds good.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
17. Yep
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:58 AM
Jul 2017

Because the lifelong Democrats, particularly the poor and people of color, don't vote as those making the demands insist.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
13. The Democratic socialists who voted for Jill Stein and encouraged others to do so ARE our enemies n/
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jul 2017

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
16. What in the OP suggests to you
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:50 AM
Jul 2017

that there is an effort to exclude or demonize Sanders voters? That's not what it says at all. He asks why there is such animosity toward the most loyal Democratic voters, and how that fits with the stated purpose of expanding the party.


It seems to me what the OP is describing are efforts to make the tent smaller, not bigger.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
15. It isn't about winning
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:47 AM
Jul 2017

It's about changing the composition of the Democratic electorate to favor their interests and their candidates.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
18. Probably the same ones who thought it was ok to refer to first and only black President
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 04:04 AM
Jul 2017

as a piece of shit used car salesman.

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