"CBO scored repeal without a replacement - it's a humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible scale."

[CousinIT]

"CBO scored repeal without a replacement - it's a humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible scale. 32M lose insurance. Premiums go up 100%."

Chris Murphy - Senator for CT:

Link to tweet

IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING - REPEAL WITHOUT REPLACEMENT IS MCCONNELL'S NEXT MOVE.

[flamingdem]

1. The Dems have SO much material to work with

HOW can we lose going forward?

[Kentonio]

15. By not allowing ourselves to become complacent

Any time we think its a guarantee we get distracted and lose.

[LongTomH]

26. Right Effen' On!!!!

The Democratic Party has repeatedly demonstrated a genius for snatching defeat from the very jaws of victory -- usually by overconfidence.

[Chipper Chat]

38. so true.

How loud to I have to shout MIDTERMS MIDTERMS MIDTERMS?
But dem only care about the presidential elections. And let the teabag gophers squeak by in the midterms and GOP keeps control. Sad.
how can we get this to Tom perez,ss ears?

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Only way we lose is if we go around primarying this one or that one, whining

that this one or that one is not progressive enough.

[Beartracks]

43. The same post during a campaign would get you tagged...

... as a Concern Troll, working for the opposition, trying to depress voter turnout...

So, yeah, we Dems sure like our over-confidence and please don't you dare remind us that the road ahead isn't guaranteed.



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[Eliot Rosewater]

52. This sounds like bullshit to me.

[diva77]

47. we need to demand transparent elections - hand counted paper ballots best way

and undo the wingnut media echo chamber for starters

[flamingdem]

53. Agree x 1000 but this one falls through the

cracks.. maybe it will be taken more seriously now.

The Russians take it seriously!

[diva77]

57. it is amazing how it "falls through the cracks"

something that everything else is built upon!

[flamingdem]

63. I so agree. I was yelling about this for the last few elections

but saw that this issue is a third rail - both sides will defend the system.

But maybe now the putin putty will fill the cracks.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

61. THE two critical changes we Democratic leaders need to focus on

Two others after those: automatic voter registration, and gerrymandering.

[Moostache]

2. This is disgusting...Trumpeters DO NOT CARE...they CHEER this shit!

The GOP does not care as long as tax cuts happen they would kill their own children in ritualistic sacrifices. These scum bags make me viscerally ill.

[volstork]

20. They won't be cheering when

they or their family members are dead or bankrupt.

[gratuitous]

33. They will at that point be told to blame Obama and the Democrats

Sadly, it will work for a lot of them.

[luvtheGWN]

22. Besides the fact that they obviously don't care,

I strongly suspect that the great majority of them have little to no idea of how the ACA actually works. Fareed Zakaria on CNN last evening gave the bare-bones breakdown of the ACA and pointed out that all the moving parts are so interconnected that simply trying to remove one or two (e.g. the mandate) won't leave the rest of it intact and serving the American people.

Unfortunately, in trying to placate all the for-profit health industry partners, a monster was created, and the poor, dumb old Repubs have absolutely no idea how to destroy it.......!

[Adrahil]

3. The curtain is pulled back....

Toomey was right. The GrOPers never expected to actually have to follow through on promises they knew were bullshit. It was strictly theater to them. And how their duplicitous bullshit is laid bare. People see it. They hate it. But so many still vote for the GrOPers because of social issues. The Southern Strategy worked beyond the dreams of the most optimistic of the RWNJ's.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Lewis Powell is smiling upwards. That memo really encompassed changing this country.

[Efilroft Sul]

46. This country would've been so much better if the likes of Powell was exchanged for RFK.

To paraphrase Robert Frost:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and America—
America took the one more fucked up,
And that has made all the difference.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. All this is deja vu for Trump. Been there, done that

with regard to taking away the life-saving health insurance of his brother's grandson. This exercise in the Senate is a macrocosm of past experience.

Roy Cohn was right about one thing: Trump pisses ice water.

[pangaia]

5. Oh but, but. the repeal won't go into effect for 2 years..

dontcha know....

[aggiesal]

25. Yup, after Democrats take over ...

congress, it will appear that the Democrats implemented this repeal.

[spanone]

6. humanitarian disaster....that's the trump administration in a nutshell

[Wounded Bear]

32. Perhaps we need to update this old canard...

[Stuart G]

7. Do you think so called, "moderate republicans" know about this??

I think they do...which means this "repeal without replacement" will fail...At least that is what I think...

........."humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible scale" ......."32 million lose insurance...."

[exboyfil]

9. 48 of the current Republican Senators voted for it last year

Only Kirk and Collins voted against it, and Kirk is gone.

Seems like it should have been a more upfront issue in the 2016 campaign for the Republican senators who were up for reelection.

Another example of the Democrats dropping the ball.

[beachbum bob]

12. the voters dropped the ball, we all knew what republicans were going to do and voters ignored it

we get what we deserve if we don't vote

[padfun]

23. Voters didnt drop the ball. Hillary won by 3 million votes

and that's WITH the voter suppression going on.

This was a rigged election plain and simple. Don't blame the voters.

[beachbum bob]

39. Who cares Hillary got more votes..It's electoral count that matters

Voters in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania dropped the ball...72000 votes is what gave America trump...stein voters knew they were electing trump when they voted...

[Akamai]

55. Also related to the loss of Wisconsin was the belief by voters that Democrats favored the rich more

than Trump did.

Clearly this issue should have been identified and corrected early and often.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/01/why-did-trump-win-new-research-by-democrats-offers-a-worrisome-answer/?utm_term=.9e6b846c32fd

[Cosmocat]

35. THIS

nm

[NewJeffCT]

14. Obamacare was not that popular

until people realized what they would be losing once the ACA/Obamacare was repealed.

I think Democrats did a crappy job on messaging on Obamacare from the beginning - too much technical talk and not enough in appealing to people emotionally (i.e., the chubby 6 month old that lost insurance because CIGNA had deemed him too fat for his age/height - that sort of thing) like what has been pouring out of the woodwork this year.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. And They Failed To Educate People. . .

. . .who didn't like Obamacare but did like ACA that they were the same darned thing.

How many times have we read, right here, news snippets in which people didn't know ACA was the same thing until they found out they could lose it?

That's pretty bad advertising on our side's part.

[NewJeffCT]

17. Yes

I think it was Kentucky where the Kentucky ACA program was pretty popular, but Obamacare was still very unpopular.

[CottonBear]

31. In KY, the ACA exchange was renamed Kynect.

https://kynect.ky.gov/

Most GOP Kentuckians had no idea that Kynect was the Kentucky ACA health insurance exchange.

[nikibatts]

18. Actually, a hell of a lot of people didn't know Obamacare was the ACA.

[mobeau69]

29. ACA could've used Sylvia Burwell right out of the gate.

She was instrumental to ACA's success and we probably never would've had that website crap that the pukes then blew out of all proportion. She had her shit together on the ACA.

[Wounded Bear]

34. Half of the "dissatisfaction" with Obamacare came from the left...

because it wasn't liberal enough. Most of those have come to realize that passing something at the time was actually better than nothing, and that repealing it is unpopular enough to fight for it.

[Cosmocat]

36. They barely managed to pass it, then ran and hid a corner

while republicans framed THEIR Fin FORM OF HEALTH CARE REFORM as the greatest threat to democracy in our history.

The people of this country are most to blame for being stupid enough to let republicans blow smoke up their asses time after time after time after time after time ...

Republicans are to blame for being deranged lunatics.

But, democrats end of it is not having a spine and standing for ANYTHING.

[MiddleClass]

56. he can't just take away our healthcare, we need that. After voting and canvassing for Donald Trump

[link:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/7/15674380/obamacare-kentucky-trump-ahca|

[Cosmocat]

58. Right?

THIS is what we are dealing with.

[angrychair]

21. Take into consideration

They did it to get reelected and more importantly, with the full knowledge that it wouldn't actually happen.

This is a completely different situation. Voting for this is likely to hurt more that help in several cases and if it passes that it will actually happen.

As Democrats and independents we should continually remind them of the significance of that vote.
Never let up the pressure.

Voting to repeal will destroy the United States as we know it only if we follow it with not voting for Democrats in 2018.

[herding cats]

30. Exactly. That was political theater, which they're good at.

This is governing, with all its consequences, which they're not good at. Two totally different situations.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

41. That was show business, kabuki, a dance.

They could say "sure, I'll vote to repeal Obamacare", safe in the knowledge that it's a harmless vote, safely vetoed by a sane prez.

What they do now may be more, well, real. Constituents might actually suffer. Scary.

[n2doc]

10. Not going to happen

And the trumpsters won't notice since it doesn't presently affect them. They will happily keep voting for these posters.

[Achilleaze]

11. republicans thrilled about "humanitarian disaster"

this is what the repukes and their russian buddies have in mind for the average American: disaster.

[Ligyron]

13. But they'd need to vote on Motion to Proceed first, right?

And then 60 votes (I believe) which would never happen.

[nikibatts]

19. No, they are going to start over.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. Conservatives view this as incentive

to motivate people to work to get health insurance, as if many are not
disabled, poor, without relevant job skills, and as if good benefits are offered
by all companies. Plus conservatives want the tax credits.

I don't think they have a clue what this does to working people or non-working people.
It's all about them.

[orleans]

27. can't find anything on the google for the cbo score n/t

[herding cats]

28. Here is the CBO report on the partial repeal via reconciliation.

"By CBO and JCT’s esti- mates, 59 million people under age 65 would be unin- sured in 2026 (compared with 28 million under current law), representing 21 percent of people under age 65. By 2026, fewer than 2 million people would be enrolled in the nongroup market, CBO and JCT estimate."


Effects on Premiums. In total, as a result of reduced enrollment, higher average health care costs among remaining enrollees, and lower participation by insurers, CBO and JCT project that premiums in the nongroup market would be about 50 percent higher in the first year after the marketplace subsidies were eliminated—relative to projections under current law—and would about dou- ble by 2026."


https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/52371-coverageandpremiums.pdf

It's a scary read.

[smirkymonkey]

37. McConnell is fucking Satan.

If he gets re-elected, then we will know that the people of Kentucky are brain-dead worshipers of a satanic cult. There is no way anyone in their right mind anyone can vote for this man in good conscience.

[diva77]

49. they are probably being saturated with right wing media ...

truly, the media must be rebooted to deliver truth rather than the screaming-bully-vomit-inducing drivel (that corporations like Home Depot and Geico buy airtime for) that morphs good people into brain-dead zombies

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

40. CBO is not scoring the whole plan. Yeah, there's a repeal, but, ...

... they have to factor in the coming truly great bipartisan plan which will address all issues, make everyone happy, healthy, and rich, and make America great again.

CBO left that part out.

Fake CBO.

[lark]

42. Hope not and really think this wouldn't pass.

Repugs already have 3 defectors, so don't have the votes to pass the repeal. Drumpf says he's going to make (actually he said let, but that's a lie so I corrected it to the truth) Obamacare die and blame the Dems. He says this will force the Dems to work with the R's (and give them what they want is obviously part of it). He's basically trying to blackmail the Dems, but they need to hang tough on this.

[Honeycombe8]

44. Whoa. I wonder why premiums would go up?

The ins. cos. would kick out high claims insureds, so no reason to raise premiums.

[mythology]

62. Because some number of healthy people will drop out,

leaving the less healthy people. Yes some insurance companies would go right back to annual and lifetime caps, but even if you just have say the ratio of diabetics or people who need epipens go up as a percentage of the overall insured population, that unbalances the risk ratio without necessarily hitting annual caps.

[Efilroft Sul]

45. The Republicans are going to try to throw a Hail Satan pass.

They gotta be drooling over this possible human carnage and wondering why they didn't go for the big kill in the first place.

[IronLionZion]

48. Trumpsters want that so bad

The Trumpers in my life want people to die to strengthen the herd. Only the strong survive.

They also fantasize about police shootings, letting drug overdoses die instead of narcan, and running over protestors in the street.

Of course the wealthy GOP assholes want to widen the wealth gap so that people will be desperately poor and work for lower wages so they can feel as if they are such benevolent saviors by hiring people as the help.

Make America Great Again for a few while it gets really shitty for many.

[Locrian]

64. yep

It's a play on their survival instinct.

And all they have to do is basically wreck everything and create an atmosphere where - out of fear - they turn to the tribe of the "most shit-throwing monkey is the most powerful - let's align with that".

Instead of realizing what the real threat is - predatory economics (prison, drugs, healthcare, etc), lack of health-care, poisoned environment / food, climate change, wealth distribution upwards, etc.

[davidmp]

50. Marco Rubio is the heartless villan here

Rubio defunded that financial safe guard that would have made the ACA work. Republicans have no care for the Americans they represent.

[flamingdem]

54. He got away with that

What a destructive dickhead

[spanone]

59. and the current disaster of a 'president' is encouraging just that.

[Solly Mack]

60. K&R