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Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:26 AM Jul 2012

Republicans attack President Barack Obama for Hugo Chávez remark

WASHINGTON — Republicans, led by Mitt Romney and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, pounced on President Barack Obama on Wednesday after he told a Miami TV anchor that Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez does not pose a "serious" national security threat to the United States.

Republicans wasted no time in firing up a key South Florida constituency coveted by both Romney and Obama: Cuban-American voters who hate Chávez for his close ties to the Castro regime in Cuba.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/republicans-attack-president-barack-obama-for-hugo-ch225vez-remark/1239880


I guess the Republicans want to invade Venezuela now.

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Republicans attack President Barack Obama for Hugo Chávez remark (Original Post) Tony_FLADEM Jul 2012 OP
Any person with half a brain can figure out that Hugo is no threat at all the WCGreen Jul 2012 #1
We refine a shit load of Venezuelan oil. MADem Jul 2012 #3
Yeah, Venezuelans pay us $200 a barrel for gas to sell it at $5 a barrel to their people. joshcryer Jul 2012 #12
That's pretty ridiculous. The Doctor. Jul 2012 #17
Heh, I wanted to post an OP but I was tired of the Venezuela flame fests. joshcryer Jul 2012 #18
No, but he's a huge threat to the capitalists who are profiting from our natural resources. Scuba Jul 2012 #20
Republicans want everyone peeing their pants over the big scary man. Pirate Smile Jul 2012 #2
idiots arely staircase Jul 2012 #4
I have quite the affinity for Mr. Chavez... I'm glad our President is being reasonable... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #5
Whatever One's View Of Col. Chavez Might Be, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2012 #6
I love that Obama riled up that gang flamingdem Jul 2012 #7
Fear the red hordes of Venezuela! Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #8
As CIC, I think I'll rely on the president's knowledge of the situation over a bunch of reactionary Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #9
Chavez is about as serious threat to US national security as Marx Monk06 Jul 2012 #10
The Cuban-Americans who hate Chavez weren't going to vote (D) anyway. DCKit Jul 2012 #11
If he did invade us, and won, what would he do to the bankers? Trying to find a silver lining. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2012 #13
Interesting. But the real question is... Peace Patriot Jul 2012 #14
Bingo. Scuba Jul 2012 #21
We should invade Venezuela to prove to the Republicans we're not weak on national security. nt Selatius Jul 2012 #15
Hugo has this thing about raising people out of poverty. Downwinder Jul 2012 #16
Yes he is. Venezuela has a system of youth orchestras that puts our no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #19

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
1. Any person with half a brain can figure out that Hugo is no threat at all the
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:29 AM
Jul 2012

US...

What, are they going to invade us....

Jesus Christ on Pogo Stick, where do these people get this from.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. We refine a shit load of Venezuelan oil.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:33 AM
Jul 2012

What would Hugo do...attack us by throwing free cell phones at us? The only thing that guy can fling is invective, and his days are numbered--he'd do well to conserve his breath for important conversations, like saying farewell to his family.

The whole construct is just stupid, and the fact that the GOP are getting huffy about it shows how frigging lame they are. They've got absolutely nuttin'!!

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
12. Yeah, Venezuelans pay us $200 a barrel for gas to sell it at $5 a barrel to their people.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:27 AM
Jul 2012

It's crazy. And to top it off we refine over 30% of their gasoline.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
17. That's pretty ridiculous.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:23 AM
Jul 2012

Is there some sort of story on this? Seriously... it sounds too stupid to be true, but I understand that's pretty much what American politics looks like as well.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. Heh, I wanted to post an OP but I was tired of the Venezuela flame fests.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:04 AM
Jul 2012
Venezuela has the cheapest and most subsidised petrol prices globally, with a gallon costing the equivalent of 9 US cents, or about 20c a litre. It paid about $200 a barrel for petrol it imported at current market prices and sold it domestically for about $5, said a former PDVSA official who asked not to be identified because he was not authorised to speak publicly about the issue.


http://www.iol.co.za/business/business-news/chavez-depends-on-us-for-refined-fuel-imports-1.1338517

Basically the Venezuelan taxpayers highly subsidize their own oil to their own people to the tune of about $100 for every single man, woman, and child. Nevermind that the only people who can afford cars in Venezuela are the upper middle class.

The poor use it to smuggle to Colombia, but then they're cracking down on that lately... you could once upon a time take a full tank of gas to Colombia for $2-3 and then come back from Colombia with an entire car load of food and other clothing and other necessities. For years many Venezuelans would do this. But as I said, they're cracking down on that and forcing rationing (it won't stop the smugglers though).
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
20. No, but he's a huge threat to the capitalists who are profiting from our natural resources.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:38 AM
Jul 2012
 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
5. I have quite the affinity for Mr. Chavez... I'm glad our President is being reasonable...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:42 AM
Jul 2012

Chavez has a big bark, which is pretty much required when a certain superpower has attempted a coup on you in the past.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
6. Whatever One's View Of Col. Chavez Might Be, Sir
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:46 AM
Jul 2012

Only a fool or a loon could seriously contend he poses a serious a threat to the security of the United States.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. I love that Obama riled up that gang
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:48 AM
Jul 2012

They are fascist pitpulls

Now let me check out the right wing Florida blogs to see them spitting, haw

Tarheel_Dem

(31,230 posts)
9. As CIC, I think I'll rely on the president's knowledge of the situation over a bunch of reactionary
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 02:29 AM
Jul 2012

buffoons.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
11. The Cuban-Americans who hate Chavez weren't going to vote (D) anyway.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:15 AM
Jul 2012

They're just trying to GOTV. There's no other reason.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
14. Interesting. But the real question is...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:47 AM
Jul 2012

Does the U.S. and its corporate/war profiteer masters pose a serious threat to the national security of Venezuela?

The answer to that is "yes." The U.S. has spent billions of dollars to militarize and dominate its "circle the wagons" region in Latin America--Central America/the Caribbean--and wants to include Venezuela, with its vast oil reserves (twice Saudi Arabia's, according to the USGS) as part of the southern rim of that circle. This includes billions of our tax dollars spent on building U.S. military bases and "forward operating locations" wherever the U.S. can subvert the sovereignty of LatAm countries and get boots on the ground (in Honduras, for instance, with a big post-coup, U.S. mlitary ramp-up, and, for another instance, major U.S. military presence/activity in Colombia which shares a long border with Venezuela), more billions on using the "war on drugs" as its avant garde for militarization and domination, on training, funding and infiltrating LatAm militaries and police forces, on funding rightwing groups and causes through entities like the USAID (arm of the CIA), and on propaganda, subversion and dirty tricks.

A good portion of these U.S. resources and activities are aimed at toppling Venezuela's democracy, and are aimed in general at toppling Venezuela-allied leftist governments and/or "dividing and conquering" the great leftist democracy alliance that has emerged in South America (Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, Peru and, until the recent rightwing and probably U.S.-contrived coup, Paraguay) and into Central America (Nicaragua, El Salvador and Honduras until the U.S.-enabled coup--and they are working on a coup in El Salvador). One more item: Mexico would have a leftist government if not for election fraud in the previous election and in this recent one, and, as in Colombia, the U.S. "war on drugs" is doing its job of brutalizing the society to destroy civil life and democracy.

No one in Latin America is plotting to topple the U.S. government. They just want to be left alone, to enjoy the general prosperity that leftist governments are creating, in the countries where democracy is working, and to control their own affairs.

Obama's statement that Chavez is not a serious threat to U.S. national security is kind of like saying that California is not a serious threat to U.S. national security. It is an odd statement, way of whack with reality. How has Chavez threatened the U.S.? There is NO threat. So, saying that there is no "serious threat" is weird. But this is common, nowadays, in U.S. foreign policy. The debates about it take place within the military-industrial elite, with only parts of it visible to the rest of us, and these debates have nothing whatever to do with us--the 99%--and we have no say in them. The only people who have a say are the execs and big investors in the transglobal corporate monsters who run the U.S. government and their tightly entwined war profiteers.

Exchanges like this--Obama saying that Chavez is "not a serious threat" and the Miami mafia frothing at the mouth at that evil dictator Chavez--are the result of internal debates about how to topple Chavez (not whether or not to do so), about which there is a significant difference between the methods of the Bushwhacks and the Obama/Panetta (Bush Senior-connected) team. The Miami mafia in Congress met way back in 2010 to advocate invading Venezuela. Panetta doesn't do invasions. He does subversions. (That is the main difference.)

Which brings me to the phrase "U.S. national security." This phrase is in code. What it really means is our transglobal corporate monsters' and war profiteers' FINANCIAL interests--for instance, in Venezuela's oil, or Honduras' telecommunications, or Bolivia's lithium, or Colombia's cocaine (Big Pharma legalization plan), or in creating slave labor forces (and eliminating trade unionists) or in "privatizing" public services and looting local economies. Advancing these interests has NOTHING TO DO with our safety as people or as a country. Indeed, the opposite is true--these interests also exploit us and U.S. government actions to serve these interests put us in danger by creating enemies and hatred against us around the world.

Understand the code. When Obama, as the spokesperson for U.S.-based transglobal interests gets in a public fight with a faction of the far right that also serves those interests, neither of them is really talking about "U.S. national security." They are talking about Exxon Mobil or Drummond Coal or Bechtel or Chiquita or Dyncorp or the Banksters or (if my guess is right, regarding the Miami mafia) the big, favored drug lords whose business has been disrupted by leftist governments.

We may favor Obama/Panetta policy over Bushwhack/Miami mafia policy, by stacking up the numbers of U.S.-instigated or U.S.-organized-funded murders around the world. Both policies are bloody, but Obama/Panetta is a lot less bloody. So there you are. That's our "choice" (as if we have one). We can choose so-called "targeted" drone bombing murders and murder-by-proxy (arming "rebel" groups, etc.) and bribery/subversion, or outright war in which hundreds of thousands of people are murdered. But when these powers talk to each other about the level of murders required to serve these elite interests, the reality of our lives (having to pay for it, in more ways than one) and the realities of the other affected peoples' lives are not a consideration. Venezuelans have chosen the Chavez government, time and again, by big majorities, in an election system that is far, FAR more honest and transparent than our own, because the Chavez government is a "New Deal"-like government. It has hugely improved the lives of ordinary Venezuelans. And, here we have our president and the Miami mafia discussing this as a "threat." What 'threat"?

The threat is to transglobal FINANCIAL interests--that they CAN'T exploit Venezuelans like they do us, that they CAN'T steal their oil, like they did to Iraqis, that they CAN'T loot Venezuelan banks, and so on, and they have gained the power to equate THEIR PRIVATE interests with "U.S. national security."

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
16. Hugo has this thing about raising people out of poverty.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:06 AM
Jul 2012

Can you imagine what would happen if an idea like that caught on in the U.S.?

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