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I don't give a good goddamn how you live your life, but no one deserves cancer.
I don't wish cancer on McCain, trump, or even Steve Bannon (ingrown infected hemorrhoids, sure), but not cancer (or an auto immune disease either).
Fuck Cancer.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)malaise
(268,890 posts)My youngest sister had it and we have three friends doing chemo and radiation as I type. One collapsed at the airport on her return to the US and has the same brain cancer as McCain. She's still in hospital.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)malaise
(268,890 posts)She calls her son my son. She was here and in high spirits two weeks ago,
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Sorry to hear this, malaise.
malaise
(268,890 posts)Of that I'm sure and as we age, we see way more of this than we would prefer, but it's life.
I wrote about her operation on a McCain thread on the weekend because they also went through her eyebrow
Thanks sis.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The Four Sufferings, in Buddhism. Also known as The Human Condition. The best way to face it is to never stop growing, never stop feeling excited about improving your Self. That's what Buddhism teaches anyway, and I like it. Makes sense to me.
Oh I missed that thread...
Thinking of you, dear malaise. 💖🙏🏾
malaise
(268,890 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yes, wonderful medical science, we're living longer (IF we are middle class or better)....but how's the *quality* of life? 🤔
malaise
(268,890 posts)Our last remaining aunt died earlier this year in her late 90s but she didn't even know she was alive these past five years. I'd rather be dead than totally dependent on others.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yes yes, a thousand times, Yes!
My mother died badly, and my poor Dad went even worse.
So I know what you mean...definitely, living ..uh, *past your expiration date* is something I seriously would prefer not to be forced to experience.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I wish the best for your sister and all of your friends. I only hope that they have coverage and that these bastards don't take it away from them. The cruelty of these people just breaks my heart. I don't understand it at all. It shatters my world view that most people are decent and kind.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,967 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)As a someone with NED (no evidence of disease) for 9 months now.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hang in there Ms. Toad!
Ms. Toad
(34,059 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Anyone that celebrates this is less than dog shit.
leftieNanner
(15,080 posts)That's a bad one. My neighbors DIL died of that. Nasty stuff.
ananda
(28,856 posts)After what I went through with a bizarre appendix
and a cyst in my mouth (an appendectomy, bowel
resection, and cyst removed all in the space of six weeks,
but not cancer thank god!) ...
I don't wish healthcare problems on even my worst
enemy, and that includes 45!
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Lost my mother to it when I was a kid. It left a lasting mark on all of us.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)It's a horrible death sentence.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)So young.
mchill
(1,017 posts)I have a friend, 60 years old, dying of a glioblastoma now. It affects his speech and he is one of those people you just love to hear stories from. He has a Phd in his field and loves to teach......
lastlib
(23,204 posts)he was a strong young man (which worked well in in his favor), but he is now permanently disabled, with many emotional problems. It is nasty stuff. I might wish it on Dick Cheney or Nixon, but that's it. Ted Cruz would be exempt because he doesn't have a brain. Jesse Helms WAS a malignant tumor.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I am sorry to hear this news.
mchill
(1,017 posts)My family has the BRCA gene (not to be confused with the new name of Trumpcare - BCRA). Mother, three maternal Aunts and finally me. I'm 5 years and 6 months out, but I got one of those cancers they never say is cured...so far so good.
DFW
(54,335 posts)Tricky form of breast cancer in 2001, and then "the murderer" (her docs call it) last year. She beat "the murderer" because it was discovered in its absolute beginning stage (it never is because it is so silent) by a total accident, and it was removed with none of the expected metastasizing. She was that one case in 1000.
My dad had prostate cancer at 70, and beat it. He got pancreatic cancer at77. He didn't beat that. My mom had breast cancer, and ALL their siblings died of cancer. I had two grandparents who never made it to 70, one who made it to 80 (as an Alzheimer's vegetable), and one who beat the odds and made it to 102. With me, it's not "if," but rather "when."
I have no illusions. Maybe that's why I try to cram my life with as much as I can WHILE I can. I know full well that one fine day, someone is going to tell me I didn't "beat the reaper."
I'm in no hurry.
mchill
(1,017 posts)Though your father was stricken later in life, both Prostate and Pancreatic are one of the 5 major cancers associated with the brca2 gene. Melanoma is another. Breast and Ovarian the major two of the five, why women are more prominent in this gene's discusdion, though men can get BC too with this gene, though not as high as the 85% rate amongst women.
I have seriously considered it though I get checkups fairly often anyway due to my heart blockage which nearly killed me 13 years ago. I'd want it done in Dallas, which is hard to schedule, although with my calendar ANYTHING is hard to schedule
IronLionZion
(45,411 posts)and I want all Americans to have the same medical care he's getting because cancer can happen to any of us, not just the ones who can afford it.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)All complicated diseases like cancers or chronic diseases, autoimmunes and syndromes....
Everyone deserves good healthcare; dental too.
Notice I didn't say perfect...usually people who criticize other nations' socialized healthcare base their misguided views on a comparison with perfection (and sidestep the problem of massive imperfections in the US for-profit system.)
ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)when he asked those bizarre questions to Comey last month.
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)I wonder if his apparent confusion and erratic line of questioning were symptoms of this.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Five years now. When I was so sick from chemo in 2012, I said I would not wish breast cancer on anyone not even Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann (they were particularly annoying that year).
I still mean it. No one deserves this misery.
John McCain served his country in the military and in the Senate, but in addition he is a human being.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)No one deserves cancer or the misery the disease entails. No one.
Best_man23
(4,897 posts)Frankly, I don't wish cancer on anyone.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)and I wish his colleagues would recognize it as such.
To my mind he's rigid-minded and ideological, but he is a loyal American and honorably
served our country, and for that I salute him whole-heartedly, and wish him well.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)My dear husband is getting over it. He looks to have beat the cancer, but the treatment is what is making our lives miserable.
elmac
(4,642 posts)We should have declared war on cancer decades ago. Money wasted bombing small countries to dust could have made the difference. We are paying for the military industrial complex every time someone dies of cancer.
appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)him a couple more months. He responded so well with the chemo they gave him a couple extra treatments. At one point he had no immune system, no clotting factor and had transfusions of packed red blood cells. Then he started radiation on his lung and head. His last 3 scans show the cancer on his liver and a couple lymph nodes is gone. The main tumor in his lung seems to be just necrotic cells according to his last biopsy and it has not changed in size or shape. His brain appears to be clear too. He now needs oxygen when doing mild exercise but for all intents and purposes is in remission. We just celebrated our 51st anniversary, something we never expected to be able to do. I have lost my mom, dad, a brother, sister in law, and aunt and an uncle to that damn disease. I hate it with a passion.
localroger
(3,625 posts)Not much else to say. Good on him for beating it so far and good on you for sticking with him. We don't always get to choose our battles.
NJCher
(35,648 posts)but it sounds hopeful!
I am sorry about the many losses in your family. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone losing that many people in one family.
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On another note, I just finished reading this article on CNN, and it says the tumor was removed and he will now go through treatment. Also that he was very sharp when he came out of the anesthesia from the operation. It's an optimistic story; take a look:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/health/gupta-mccain-glioblastoma/index.html
Cher
onecent
(6,096 posts)someone you have been married to for 51 years and has to lose him that way. Prayers
are being sent you way!!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)McCain is one of the sane ones. Or at least, when push comes to shove he may be. I would never count on any Republican but he is much better than the most of them and if his replacement is an R. it could only be worse.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)In the middle of the healthcare bill they're trying to pass. Esp after that Republican said at a townhall that "no one dies from not having health care."
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)NJCher
(35,648 posts)at the link in my above post 39.
Cher
Upthevibe
(8,034 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)comes around?
I don't really wish anyone ill, but John McCain has not exactly led the kind of exemplary life that could make any of us sad at this recent turn of events.
Keep in mind his history. Shall we start with the planes he crashed? Shall we continue with his abandoning his first wife? Shall we proceed with his lying to the woman who became his second wife?
Maybe some people get what they deserve.
whopis01
(3,508 posts)At least in my opinion, there is.
Cancer isn't something that is handed out as a punishment. It isn't something that people deserve. Cancer doesn't care if you crash planes, abandon wives or lie to people. It is just a bad roll of the dice that could happen to anyone.
Acting like it is something that people deserve to get is disrespectful to all the good people who have suffered from this.
I am in no way saying that you should be sad about McCain having this, or that you should treat him with any level of respect because of this. No one should. Having this disease doesn't change anything about who the man is or what he has done. If you didn't like him before you shouldn't grieve for him now.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)for many years. And at age 80 he's had a pretty good run.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)I knew two people who died of this: one was one of my oldest friends and mother of two young children; the other was a little girl of 2. Does a 2-year-old deserve cancer???
Some on the right said the same sort of thing about Ted Kennedy - let's not lower ourselves to their level! Worse, medical treatment for HIV was undoubtedly delayed by several years by people like Reagan not funding research into a disease that they considered to mainly affect the 'undeserving'.
I'm not saying you have to be sad; just not to imply that those who have not led an 'exemplary life' deserve cancer.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)is the sudden canonization of McCain now that he's gotten this terrible cancer.
Yes, no one deserves such a thing. Or maybe, just maybe, depending you your take on karma, there's a reason terrible things happen to anyone. And if you utterly reject that notion I'm not about to try to convince you otherwise.
I will say that I found it rather fitting that Lee Atwater died of brain cancer.
And it's almost too bad that McCain won't have to struggle with being able to pay for his care, unlike what he'd cheerfully inflict on others. It's probably too much to hope that this diagnosis won't make him rethink how health care should be delivered and paid for in this country. If that were to happen, this his disease would in the long run be a good think.
At least Ted Kennedy championed the little people his entire life.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)or why would little children die horrible deaths, and someone like Strom Thurmond live to 100?
In any case, I do not canonize McCain - though Trump does throw into perspective how even most relatively bad politicians are real human beings compared to him - but I do wish him well with regard to his health. And if he recovers (unfortunately the prognosis is usually not good), then I hope it would make him more pro-healthcare; but that is for the future.
colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)My 42 year old son was diagnosed with an extremely rare form of cancer that has a genetic basis. He had a massive surgery and now will need radiation. The entire family is getting genetically tested, even the little grandchildren. We don't know where all this is going to lead but we welcome everyone's prayers. My son runs his own business and that is their sole source of income, so it is very stressful for him to try to work and deal with his health issues. It is bad enough to have cancer but having one that is somewhat of a "orphan disease" can be devastating as there are many fewer treatment options.
We have been truly stunned by all this since we cannot find any prior evidence of this problem in our family. We will be seeing a genetic counselor in September to try to unravel this mystery.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)I know firsthand.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)One of my oldest friends died of the same thing in her 40s, leaving two young children.
As I said in another post, we're all on the same side against cancer.
Doc_Technical
(3,523 posts)which took her from us at 38 years of age.
Fuck Cancer
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Fuck cancer. It is indiscriminate. It is not payback for some bad deed performed.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)from some nasty kind of lymph cancer...
mwdem
(4,031 posts)My sister-in-law had the same cancer..she lasted a year after diagnosis. At least my husband had a chance to reconnect with her near the end, since they were so many years and miles apart.