If you're really a liberal, you must applaud the Simpson parole.

[Stinky The Clown]

Let me preface my comments with this preamble: I believe there to be absolutely no doubt he killed his wife and her friend. I also have no doubt the acquittal was a miscarriage of justice. BUT . . . that miscarriage of justice was NOT Simpson's doing. Lance Ito was a terrible judge. Gil Garcetti assigned a weak prosecutorial team. Ito, Clark, and Darden were starstruck. Last, the jury was tainted by unrelated facts, as admitted years later by members; the Rodney King trial influenced them to let this murderer walk. With that, my feelings about today's hearing and decision follow.

The fact is, for the crime for which he is serving time, he was sentenced overly harsh. We can discuss the "why" of that, but the fact is, he was. Given that, he has been a model prisoner. He met the standards in place by the State of Nevada for granting parole. Again, you may not like these standards, but they are the in place regulations.

His previous trial, his murder of two people, and the injustice of that acquittal have absolutely nothing to do with the decision rendered by the Nevada Parole Board.

The laws in place in all instances - the murder trial and all proceedings up to today - were followed.

If you want to rail against someone or something, rail against the State's team in the murder trial.

We can NOT ignore laws because with think a prior event went unpunished. We CAN NOT.

For me, the biggest problem was Ito. Clark and Darden were simply over their heads, there because of the poor judgement of Gil Garcetti. All were starstruck by the media. As but one tiny, inconsequential bit of evidence was Clark's make-over during the trial. Ito's preening was a day-in, day-out occurrence. And on and on. If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at this band of clowns and incompetents.

[B2G]

1. Understand? Yes. Applaud? No. nt

[Hortensis]

19. Exactly. Really stupid OP line.

fHe was found not guilty of murder charges, so that's legally at an end. Robbery? I'm not called on to decide if parole is appropriate.

[Adrahil]

37. yup. Right thing to do, but fuck that murdering asshole. NT

[Alice11111]

43. and DV w at least 3 women too...many counts w Wife

Ok. Time for parole for THIS case. He still showed no remorse and made excuses. Slime

Agree, bad OP line. Nothing to do w being liberal.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

2. I don't applaud murderers

Sorry

[Stinky The Clown]

15. No one is "applauding the murder". The decision today was just. THAT is what the OP is about.

As in the preamble to the OP, but possibly missed by you is that we agree he is a murderer.

There was no applaud of that. Sorry.

[Johnny2X2X]

3. You're reaching

Whether or not you approve or disapprove of OJ's parole has little to do with being liberal.

[cwydro]

5. Well, it was obvious he'd get parole.

He shouldn't have had that long a sentence for the robbery.

He'll pay for the murders semewhere down the line.

[B2G]

8. Good thing I firmly believe in Karma.

Hopefully it will be the instant variety as soon as he's released.

[Lochloosa]

25. It was robbery, Burglary and Kidnapping. So, the sentence was not out of line.

Burglary really gets States attention. That involves entering a dwelling where people work or live. They consider worse than robbery.

Count 1: Conspiracy to commit a crime
Count 2: Conspiracy to commit kidnapping
Count 3: Conspiracy to commit robbery
Count 4: Burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon
Count 5: 1st degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon (for Bruce Fromong)
Count 6: 1st degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon (for Alfred Beardsley)
Count 7: Robbery with use of a deadly weapon (for Bruce Fromong)
Count 8: Robbery with use of a deadly weapon (for Alfred Beardsley)
Count 9: Assault with a deadly weapon (for Bruce Fromong)
Count 10: Assault with a deadly weapon (for Alfred Beardsley)

[sarisataka]

6. I will accept the results.

His murder trial was not the first miscarriage of Justice nor was it the last, there have been many since then. He served the punishment for which he was convicted.

Rather than cheer or gnash my teeth I will simply ignore him. I will not give him profit for his crimes with my money or attention.

[NightWatcher]

7. This is the Rule of Law at work.

This case has ZERO to do with murder

[LovingA2andMI]

10. Exactly....

The inability of some folks to separate a Felony Conviction versus a Civil Judgment (in the Brown/Goldman Case) continues to baffle the imagination.

[Bradical79]

13. Pretty much

I don't like him being a free man, but he was aquited for the murder charge. Parole for robbery has nothing to do with the previous crime he was tried for.

[LanternWaste]

9. Much as it was twenty years ago, everyone is an expert on Simpson again

Much as it was twenty years ago, everyone is an expert on Simpson.

The hunger for the lowest common denominator of delicious gossip has again, seemingly created a nation who are experts on law, on justice, on the legal system, on sentencing, on guilt, and on every other bit of distemper a creative imagination can justify as an absolute.

We get to pretend we know what others may or may not deserve. And pat ourselves on the back for instructing our peers in what to believe...

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. There are other options than applause. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Okay, let's talk semantics.

[Yavin4]

12. Garcetti's team never made the connection between spousal abuse and murder

Unfortunately, it's very common that victims of domestic abuse are often killed by their abusers. If you have enough anger inside of you to strike a person, then you have enough anger to kill that person.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. BINGO

That's a big issue that never gets discussed in this case.

[Yavin4]

50. They did have witnesses testify about the abuse but didn't present an expert to tie it all together

So, that major piece of the evidence was lost entirely.

[cwydro]

17. Yes, he was a wife beater.

No question.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Unrec.

I can understand it, but I don't have to like it and I definitely don't have to applaud it.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. But you should. Following the actual laws is a good thing.

You may not like it. I do. It was the murder trial's outcome I found to be a miscarriage of justice.

[B2G]

34. What law says someone HAS to be paroled before

their full sentence is up?

He was ELIGIBLE for parole. There's no law that said he had to be released, and some disagree because based on his history, they think he is prone to violence.

Count me in that camp.

[onenote]

51. Would you take that position consistently for anyone with a previous accusation

of having committed violent acts, whether or not they resulted in an arrest and/or conviction?

Do you support no parole sentences?

[B2G]

53. In some cases, absolutely.

Again, I understand why they did this. I just don't t like it.

[whathehell]

61. Thank you..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. It has nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with fealty to the law.

According to the laws of Nevada he was a model prisoner and eligible for parole.

[onenote]

52. Except it does have to do with ideology

since conservatives generally aren't fans of parole or of accused criminals getting off on a "technicality" (unless of course it's a conservative on trial or seeking parole).

[Brother Buzz]

21. I'm totally indifferent to Simpson's parole

Does that make me a bad person?

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Nope.

Except you're not indifferent. You made this post.

Most people brag to be immune to such events, but lick the lollipop when in private.

Have a good day.

[nycbos]

64. I am as well.

[tavernier]

22. Interesting that you forgot to mention the jury

who swooned and slobbered over him and had no intention of finding him guilty. I watched every second of that trial and Clark and Darden did all but show actual film of him murdering the victims. All that over their heads and poor judgement stuff is hooey. That jury was to OJ as the MAGA morons are to trump.

[B2G]

24. Yep. This. Funny how we don't get these lectures

when cops who shoot people are found not guilty.

[tavernier]

58. I have raged over those murders as well

and ranted loudly, so attempting to guilt me because I loathe a man who sliced open the throats of two people and destroyed the lives of their families just ain't happening. They are both equally ugly and heartbreaking crimes.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. From the OP:

You seem not to have read the OP to the point of understanding it. This is a direct quote:

Last, the jury was tainted by unrelated facts, as admitted years later by members; the Rodney King trial influenced them to let this murderer walk.

Have a nice day.

[miyazaki]

36. Certainly. n/t

[Awsi Dooger]

42. Jo-Ellan Dimitrius was largely responsible for the acquittal in 1995

Unfortunately she knew her stuff and did her job extremely well, as jury consultant for O.J.'s team. Dimitrius' research indicated that women and especially black women would not have typical sympathy toward Nicole -- as a younger white woman married to a black man -- or outrage toward O.J.

Marcia Clark had won several slam dunk cases and thought she had bonded with black women on those juries. Therefore she made a tragic poor assumption and allowed the jury to be loaded with black women.

Obviously the relocation didn't help. That was on Garcetti. The sequestered aspect also undoubtedly further limited the potential juror pool and gave us not the brightest bulbs.

Even a moderately intelligent jury would have convinced O.J. based on math and science alone. Clark and Darden were hardly the worst I've ever seen. Not close. The glove demonstration was idiotic but the totality was average among televised court cases I've watched. But once you get dunces on that panel who have no clue toward probability then sure you're subject to morons who over value Barry Scheck's cross of Dennis Fung, or F. Lee Bailey's indictment of Mark Fuhrman, or Phil Vannatter's transport of the evidence, etc.

***

Regarding the Palace Station episode that landed O.J. in jail, I have to say I witnessed far more confrontational and dangerous situations in casino parking lots or in casino sports books, during the 25 years I lived in Las Vegas. There were plenty of thug types in that environment and countless times I was told this person had a mob connection, or that person had a mob connection. When somebody owed money or had done something wrong they were confronted and it could get violent. I always kept a distance, both in knowledge and safe location. The O.J. Las Vegas verdict has always been considered an absolute joke by locals who know how the town operates.

[H2O Man]

23. Not necessarily.

One can simply ignore it, and concentrate on what is important.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. One can. Most won't

[H2O Man]

35. True.

I thought that in the movie, they caught the one-armed man who killed his wife anyway?

[jberryhill]

29. I don't have to applaud any particular outcome

Our system of government, and of justice, is not about outcomes. It is about the process.

I'm amazed at how many folks don't seem to get that.

[leftstreet]

33. I'll applaud the judicial process

Not him, not his parole, nor what happens to him from here

Although I don't think being 'liberal' or 'conservative' or whatever people choose has much to do with anything here

[onenote]

55. Hard to separate the process and the outcome resulting from that process in this case

The process failed in the murder trial imo for the reasons outlined in the OP and I won't and don't applaud the result of the process in that case. But the process in the parole hearing worked and its hard not to agree with and applaud that it produced the correct outcome given the situation.

[Calculating]

30. I dislike the outcome, but I understand the decision

OJ was found not guilty in the murder trial, and it would be an injustice to simply hold him forever over a robbery to make up for the failure in the murder trial. Due process was followed here. I dislike the outcome, but I understand why it had to be this way.

[Progressive dog]

31. I don't think anyone who believes in justice

would applaud Simpson's parole.

[Joe941]

38. So by that reasoning we need to accept the tRump election too...

[GeorgeGist]

39. I just don't care.

[MrsCoffee]

40. I'm with others. Never gonna see me applaud a murderer walking away. nt

[Squinch]

41. Uhhhh.... no.

[DinahMoeHum]

62. Me neither.

AFAIC, OJ is a dead man walking outside of custody. . .and it would not shock me if somewhere there is a hit man on retainer waiting for the green light.

[Lotusflower70]

44. Uh no

No applause here. And not because he got away with 2 murders. I can separate the 2 crimes. He faced a multitude of charges (armed robbery, kidnapping, etc) and the sentencing guidelines were followed. He served 9 years of a 33 year sentence. As far as the murder case, there were so many errors there. But my being liberal or my respect and appreciation of justice have nothing to do with OJ Simpson. Maybe he can go hang out with Trump now.

[jehop61]

45. You're correct

As much as I hate it, he was eligible for the crime he was convicted of. But, he'll likely do something to violate that parole sooner or later, I'm betting.

[wasupaloopa]

46. I really hate it when some tells the rest of us what a liberal has to think.

That's what right wingers do.

I don't care about OJ Simpson and that does not preclude me from being a liberal.

We don't have to take a side in every issue. And we don't have check with someone to see what the correct liberal view is.

We all have the ability to use are own understanding and if we let others do our thinking for us we are immature and not enlightened.

Google Immanuel Kant. What is enlightenment

[flibbitygiblets]

48. +1

[Nailzberg]

47. I believe the determination by the parole board was correct, that doesn't mean I applaud it.

I don't applaud the system for one instance of doing what it should. Its still deeply flawed.

[onenote]

57. which part of the parole process was deeply flawed and how would you change it?

[Nailzberg]

59. I believe overall the justice system is still flawed. Not the parole process in this case.

[Skittles]

49. fuck that shit

the idea that man walks the streets FOR ANY REASON makes me sick

[TrishaJ]

54. Exactly.

He's served his time for the crime of which he was convicted. Now he should go away and live out the rest of his life in quiet and peace, as if he really understands the blessing he got from the double murder acquittal.

[BannonsLiver]

56. Meh

[linuxman]

60. I don't have to applaud a damn thing.

The system served it's function and he was released. That's how it works. Pretty standard situation, no applause needed.

[Binkie The Clown]

63. Is this one of those "no true liberal would..." things? I don't buy it.

... "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt

[AngryAmish]

65. OJ walked since the prosecution picked a bad jury

The reasons, while true, would not make people around here happy.