If We Wind Up With A Constitutional Crisis Here And....

[global1]

Trump fires Mueller and pardons all his people and himself (God knows everything else he's done he's got away with so pardoning himself is not so far-fetched) - we have to hold the Repugs totally responsible for whatever comes with a constitutional crisis.

They better step up to the plate and do something - and sooner rather than later.

Maybe McCain is the one that initiates going to Trump and getting him to resign or risk impeachment. I don't think McCain - if he makes it through his present problem - will be running for office again. So he has nothing to lose.

[leftstreet]

1. How would that be a constitutional crisis though?

Government operation wouldn't be breaking down. Pardons would be within Loser 45's privilege, etc

[global1]

3. So Help Me Here....

If Trump pardons his team and himself - does he still stay around and play president?

Lawrence O'D - was saying a pardon is an admission of guilt.

So would he be telling us that he and his team are guilty - but we got a stay out of jail free card - and we're going to continue to screw you?

[leftstreet]

4. Well, unless the GOP Congress impeached him

he'd probably think staying in office would be fine

If Impeachment preceding led to his being told to get the fuck out, but he refused, then that would be a constitutional crisis

[marylandblue]

5. No, that would be a coup

[leftstreet]

6. Not unless Pence seized power

But hell, the way these GOPers are operating, they'd just leave the office of President vacant while they thought things over!

[GulfCoast66]

7. If he is impeached and convicted

There is no refusing.

The Secret Service would lead him out at the direction of President Pence. He could be kicking, screaming and calling for the 82nd Airborne to come to his rescue.

It would not matter.

[leftstreet]

8. That was my point though. GOPers won't impeach

I seriously doubt they would. I only meant if they DID and he refused to leave, it'd be a conflict between 2 branches of gvt and a crisis.

They'll pressure him to leave though, and hurry to install Mr and Mother Pence so they can get all this unpleasantness behind them

[dchill]

2. I think too many of them are ensnared in the Russian...

money thing. They'll continue to back Trump until he fails to extricate himself from the quicksand.

[Volaris]

9. Yep McConnell rumored to have filtered some of the laundered cash into Senate superpacs,

God only knows how much ryan got his hands on or how.