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Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:02 AM

hes gonna pardon everyone....

this is what makes me sick - that at the end of it all - after destroying america and handing us to an enemy - he walks away from it all - they all do....

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-lawyers-mueller-pardons_us_597157abe4b00e4363de87b8?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009|

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for Donald Trump, spurred by the president’s own inquiries, are exploring his power to grant pardons — to aides, family and himself — as a means of undermining special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, The Washington Post reports.

The Post, citing an unnamed source familiar with the queries, said the president himself had asked advisers about the constitutional power, although another source noted that Trump sought only to further his understanding of the privilege. Trump’s lawyer John Dowd called the claims “nonsense.”

Trump’s lawyers are also looking into Mueller’s potential conflicts of interests, perhaps as a way of removing him from the Justice Department’s investigation, according to a Post article that cited several of Trump’s legal advisers.

Also on Thursday, various outlets reported Trump’s longtime personal attorney and lead counsel on the Russia investigation, Marc Kasowitz, would be stepping into a smaller role. Kasowitz made headlines last week after he threatened a stranger in a string of profane emails, saying things like “watch your back, bitch,” and “I’m on you.”

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Reply hes gonna pardon everyone.... (Original post)
TalenaGor Jul 2017 OP
drray23 Jul 2017 #1
Freethinker65 Jul 2017 #3
tazkcmo Jul 2017 #2
ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2017 #4
Zoonart Jul 2017 #5
33taw Jul 2017 #6
Clarity2 Jul 2017 #7
TalenaGor Jul 2017 #8
rock Jul 2017 #9
TalenaGor Jul 2017 #10

Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:03 AM

1. i dont like it either

but if this gets him out of the white house i will take it.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:07 AM

3. I would prefer they all leave not only the WH, but the country as well

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:07 AM

2. I'd be thrilled to see him walk away.

Or run or crawl. What ever works. As for consequences, those are for us little people.

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:07 AM

4. He Can't Pardon Himself

I read today that Nixon asked if he could pardon himself and was given a resounding No. Also, Preet Bharara tweeted something interesting today, that if Trump fires Mueller, it doesn't stop an independent U.S. Attorney somewhere from continuing some or all of the Office of Special Counsel's investigation. I don't think he's going to be able to wriggle off the hook on this one. He's pissed off too many people for them to just drop it.

The problem is going to be that he will pardon his entire family while he's still President, and then after he leaves office, whoever ends up being President (because I believe Pence will go down with him) will then pardon him.

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:14 AM

5. He cannot pardon himself from indictment brought by the State of NY.

That is coming. So, even if he does attempt to pardon himself for any wrongdoing while holding federal office, he cannot escape the law in the State of NY.
That money laundering case is coming to his doorstep one way or another and soon.

I suspect that if he is advised that he cannot pardon himself as Pres., he will exact a pardon pledge from Pence and then resign.
Still...NY State charges... tick...tick...tickkkk

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:15 AM

6. He cannot pardon anyone on state crimes. That is why the NY investigation is so important.

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 10:18 AM

7. For federal crimes...

He may be able to pardon *other people* for federal crimes, but there's still state crimes under the jurisdiction of NYAG, and we know how many of them are from NY, or caught up in probable money laundering in NY.

Giuliani was possibly holding the bag on that one...and notice how quiet he's been lately?

And I believe anyone that is pardoned can no longer plead the 5th.

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:13 AM

8. thank you guys - I feel better now lol

<3

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Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:54 PM

9. Of what?

I believe the rule is you have to show contrition for your crime to be pardoned. I.e, you have to confess guilt.

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Response to rock (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 02:23 PM

10. omg please say publically - on Maddow show LOL

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