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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDana Milbank shows us how the wheels are coming off.
This administration, I think, has passed a tipping point. Just look at this morning's tweet storm. DJT isn't going to change. In fact he will probably get worse, much worse. And all his lackeys will go down with him if they don't get out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sean-spicer-is-the-latest-trump-casualty-he-wont-be-the-last/2017/07/21/06dfbf72-6e54-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.898482c55a6b&wpisrc=nl_opinionsA&wpmm=1
Not only did Spicer and Priebus continue, but also they became fierce advocates for Trump during the general election and took senior roles in his White House. A cynic would say they saw Trump as their meal tickets. A more charitable interpretation is that they were hoping to tame Trump, to temper the crazy. Mike Pence, who had reservations about Trump but accepted the vice presidential nomination, made a similar calculation.
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In business, Trump tended to destroy those around him, walking away from failure relatively unscathed while others lenders, partners, vendors paid the cost. Something similar is happening to those around Trump now, but this isnt a casino its our country.
Nobody has been more slavishly loyal to Trump than Attorney General Jeff Sessions, one of his earliest supporters in the Senate; now Trump is publicly savaging him. Trump is likewise disparaging Rod J. Rosenstein, the man he appointed to be the No. 2 at the Justice Department, as well as the special counsel that Rosenstein appointed. Trump has publicly contradicted Secretary of State Rex Tillerson twice (on Qatar and Russia sanctions) and has denied Tillerson even the dignity of staffing his own agency. Trump accepted Chris Christies over-the-top support during the campaign, then cast him aside.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)RKP5637
(67,104 posts)all about!
DK504
(3,847 posts)The Yah-hoos still don't understand they have been supporting a traitor and his cabal of criminals, AKA, family. What will it take to make these idiots come to the light and realize they are going to lose everything and become the over worked poor and serfs beholden to the Conglomerates.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)they will change. Some will, but IMO many won't.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Absolute must read
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jmbar2
(4,874 posts)Now all the RW nonsense makes sense - not good sense, but there is a rationale behind it, however evil. We must understand the problem in order to know how to protect democracy. The task ahead of us is enormous. Please read this book.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Start a thread on it!!!
Cheerio!
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)They don't care if he lies, colludes, etc. Obama's presidency, Clinton's merging of minority elecorate, and their fear that demographic shifts would make their vote irrelevant, threatens white hierarchy and power.
Trump was a leading figure in the birther movement and the man to maintain it. So he can shoot someone and they wouldn't care. Its not so much him as the idea.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... caused.
lark
(23,091 posts)He flatters drumpf, gives him money, then turns on him and embarrasses drumpf every time he can. Example - letting the cat out of the bag that drumpf said firing Comey got rid of the tremendous pressure on him, that came directly from Russia to make drumpf look bad Also the picture that Russia released of drumpf, Kislyak and Lavarov yukking it up was quite problematic for drumpf. Putin's got so much dirt on him and has promised him so much, drumpf just takes it and pretends he doesn't notice that Russia is not his best friend, no way no how. Russia's aim is not to help drumpf because they like him, they think he's stupid, greedy and pliable to their wishes so they want to leverage this to get everything they want, then they will cut off his head by releasing all the dirt on him and the whole party and destroy our government.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)So are all of Trump's children.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Take us off the world stage so Russia and China will be the leaders of the world in this century.
They are breaking up the EU as well.
Trump's mission is to turn the USA into a banana republic dictatorship with total 1% rule and the rest of us living in garbage dumps.
All republicans are 100% on board with this of course.
broadcaster90210
(333 posts)And we are just about destroyed because of it.
Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)now that congress voted for more sanctions on Russia.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)anything else.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)Sessions learns loyalty can be a one-way street with Trump
It's one of the Trump family values:
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-jr-tweet/
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)t-rump, his fucked up administration, including Pence, and the whole GOPs alongwith their fucked up billionaire donors all need to go straight to their right wing evangelist's hell, and please DO NOT take the good ole USA with ya.
Fuck them to the infinite number.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)I think he should be placed naked on a two foot pedestal with a moat of germy stinking shit around him, while his ex-wives and girlfriends and Melania stand near the moat, with millions of women behind them, pointing at his coat-button penis, disparaging his sexuality, telling him they had to fake it, telling him he had to cheat to get anything done, reminding him of his bankruptcies, and that his parents still think he's a worthless POS.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Garden of Earthly Delights, the third panel. Get a close look. There's an excellent menagerie of hells for your "Trump in hell" dreams.
Stuart G
(38,419 posts)PatSeg
(47,399 posts)pretty much everyone. In the end, its possible he will have no one left, not even family.
It will be fascinating to see which member of his family will get thrown under the bus by the Idiot. Will it be Junior for admitting he had the massive meeting with the Russians? Will it be the fetid cipher SIL for his inability to solve all of the "easy" issues Trump gave him? (You know, Mid-East peace, government reform, etc.). Will it be Wife #3 for publicly humiliating him? Does he even remember his other son, the Vintner? We know it won't be his Precious because, like all cads, he thinks he still might be able to tag her.
I don't think he feels loyalty towards any of them and his paranoia will have him believing they are conspiring against him. If darling daughter takes Jared's side against him, he'll probably throw her under the bus as well. The world is so unfair to poor Donnie and everyone is just using him.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)who've hitched their wagon to 45's train to nowhere have outlived their usefulness he drops them like a hot potato by first disparaging them & distancing himself from them. This idiot has no idealogy or principles that drive him. Rather he is driven by his narcissism & lust for glory.
Boomerproud
(7,951 posts)Who is living in reality, I ask you. I agree that we (not just POtuS) have passed the tipping point. When the house of cards falls, it will be extremely ugly.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)And to a certain degree, they may be right. But that is the HARD CORE of his fans. Some came on board reluctantly and tentatively---not unlike some of his staff and key figures like Pence. I think some of those staffers (who know far more than we do at this point) are starting to regret their decision but are in way too deep to just back out now. I suspect some of them are afraid of tRump and what he will do to them if they leave BEFORE he wants them gone.
Putin is achieving many of his long wished for goals. TRump is delivering on the chaos, disruption and changes that Putin wanted to happen. I think tRump is so far up his own ass that he still hasn't figured out he is being used by Putin. He really thinks Putin is his friend. Ain't that a laugh?? When Putin gets done with him, he probably already has a plan for tRump that tRump won't like.
I keep thinking as the defections, firings and resignations mount, maybe---just maybe--- the fools will start to open their eyes! One can only hope they will start to see that trump's rhetoric and lies do not match what they can see and hear for themselves. Let sanity prevail. I am already sick to death of trump's brand of insanity!
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)He didn't win the general election cause all the people who voted for him thought he was super awesome.
He won because there was an evil liberal who was "worse."
There are a A LOT of people who know he us a pos, but decades of hate framing liberals has them brain washed that democrats are worse.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)My idiot brother hates TRump but hated HRC much more.
jmbar2
(4,874 posts)They will not deal well with with the Cognitive Dissonance. May feel that his removal is the signal for armed insurrection. We need to gently embrace those who can be embraced, and recruit them towards helping to restore democracy.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)tell you I have tried and was met with the wall of spite and hate. They will not accept any info that contradicts fux and limpballs. They HATE liberals. So, from my experience, I assert that there will be little to no recruitment.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Enoki33
(1,587 posts)chaotic situationth he seems to intentionally create. Those that choose to ignore that reality and hitch themselves to his coattail deserve every bit of degrading treatment they receive. Unfortunately it is our country that will temporarily pay the greatest of price. Still we must resist.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)many months ago:
'Everything Trump touches, dies.'
Think I read that on Rick Wilson's twitter feed. Yes, that Rick Wilson, a confirmed conservative. Also a Never Trumper.
The 'everything' includes people in the Trumpster's orbit, beyond his family, of course. At least thus far. We're witnessing a simple truth in Trumpworld: the idea of loyalty is a one-way street for The Donald. He has a mobster mentality. The Godfather always protects himself and his base interests.
Horrifying much? Yes, a nightmare.
PJMcK
(22,031 posts)I hadn't heard that one, peggysue2, but it's appropriate. Everything and everyone Trump is involved with ends up with a mess.
Look at his casino businesses. How do you fail at a gig where people willingly give you their money? Yet he bankrupted three casinos, stiffed his contractors and workers and severely damaged Atlantic City's economy.
Look at all of his weird businesses. Steaks, vodka, board games and the like. These are not the kinds of activities that a really smart or really rich person would get involved with.
As I wrote upthread, it'll be fascinating to see which family member will be first to get kicked to the curb. I'm betting on the malodorous enigma SIL; he's not blood related and Jared's legal and financial problems will become overwhelming as they are exposed.
ETA: It's interesting that none of his golf businesses fail. In fact, they do pretty well especially considering that the business of golf has been in decline for a long time.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)He won't know the players, the histories, the contexts, the locations...He won't even understand the press' questions, something one might need to do if he were supposed to supply answers. I give him 3 weeks, but possibly he'll go down after his second press
meeting.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)They saw him for what he is, but campaigned vigorously across the nation for him. They thought they could control him.
...Power more than country loved...
They gambled on being able to control this abomination, and they lost. And they're taking us down with them. *holes. Ratfckrs.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The conservative pols in Germany thought they could control Hitler but he never did pivot either. Germany and the world paid a horrible price for that mistaken notion.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)and speculate on how historians will judge this insanity?
To quote Charlton Heston in the original Planet of the Apes, "It's a MADHOUSE!"
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Lying about the inauguration crowd size in his first press conference. He wasn't trying to tame Trump *then*.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You chew people up and then you spit them out again!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)orleans
(34,049 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Dad, not that he didn't deserve it, but he evidently did more time, and Christie was abnormally fervent.
Still, it's Awkward. Too bad Christie can't get his old job back and prosecute Kushner Jr.
Christie is one of the smarter and more competent of the vile creatures.
malaise
(268,930 posts)all for greed and power. Fuck them all.
LOCK THEM UP!
raven mad
(4,940 posts)When I think of the people you have deliberately set out to destroy, Jeffie? Especially at "home" (cue up Sweet Home Alabama).... Payback rocks.
This is priceless.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)He is a conman who is not even loyal to his own criminal associates.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)It's a personality disorder. Everything he's done is consistent with it and I've used it as a roadmap. Shallow sociopaths who create chaos to retain control through fear, pathologically lie, require worship, attack those they can't control, gaslight, etc.