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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***BREAKING ***Congress Reaches Deal on Russia Sanctions, Creating Bleak Choice for Trump
WASHINGTON Congressional leaders have reached an agreement on sweeping sanctions legislation to punish Russia for its election-meddling and aggression toward its neighbors, they said Saturday, defying the White Houses argument that President Trump needs flexibility to adjust the sanctions to fit his diplomatic initiatives with Moscow.
The new legislation sharply limits the presidents ability to suspend or terminate the sanctions. At a moment when investigations into the Trump campaigns interactions with Russian officials have cast a shadow over his presidency, Mr. Trump could soon face a bleak decision: veto the bill and fuel accusations that he is doing the bidding of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia or sign legislation imposing sanctions his administration abhors.
The White House has not publicly spoken about the compromise legislation. But two senior administration officials said they could not imagine Mr. Trump vetoing the legislation in the current political atmosphere, even if he regards it as interfering with his executive authority to conduct foreign policy. But as ever, Mr. Trump retains the capacity to surprise, and this would be his first decision about whether to veto a significant bill.
Congress has complicated his choice because the compromise legislation also encompasses new sanctions against Iran and North Korea, two countries the administration has been eager to punish for its activities.
A sanctions package had stalled in the Republican-led House for weeks after winning near-unanimous support in the Senate last month. Democrats accused Republicans of delaying quick action on the bill at the behest of the Trump administration, which had asked for more flexibility in its relationship with Russia and took up the cause of energy companies, defense contractors and other financial players who suggested that certain provisions could harm American businesses.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/congress-sanctions-russia.html
Moral Compass
(1,513 posts)It will be interesting to see what the Russians and Putin do from this point forward.
Someone earlier posted that Trump had not delivered for the Russians. I argued that he has done a lot so far, but eliminating or substantially relaxing the sanctions is what Putin wants most.
There's a lot of nasty stuff the Russians have available to leak on Trump.
Wonder if we could see the emergence of a smoking gun. There's no reason now to not let things out that could utterly destroy Trump.
The US will remain effectively paralyzed whether they make Mueller dig it out or they make it easy by leaking it to mainstream journalists.
clayton72
(135 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)Putin figures he will use Trump (Republican) as long as he can get direct benefits. When Trump becomes useless, he will leak information and kompromat with the aim of destabilizing the US for as long as possible. A Constitutional crisis or a prolonged impeachment or trials of prominent Republicons would suit him just fine.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Leaking on him?
Those of us with the emotional maturity of 12 year old boys appreciated the pee-pee joke.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Seriously?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)McCain cried foul, even from his hospital bed.
DT is pulling out help to rebel forces fighting Assad, paving the way for Putin and Assad. Nevermind, there people have risked their lives upon our promises, and now have no backup. One more group that will justifiably hate us.
Putin be greedy. DT just handed him Syria, with Assad, once ISIS is vanquished, and now he still wants to open the billions from the oil spigots barred by the sanctions.
janx
(24,128 posts)It would not surprise me, but I haven't heard about this one. Please elaborate!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)lark
(23,061 posts)Use drumpf to get what they want, then destroy him and the ruling party in our government by leaking a lot of the compromising materials/tapes. Fucking up our country is the goal after they get what they want, that's why they went with drumpf, maximum destruction of the American way of life.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)They don't want him gone, but they will try to fuck up our system.
LenaBaby61
(6,972 posts)This.
And as you said, they have kompromat on him for days including and "allegedly" all of his Federal taxes
He can't be too happy TODAY about this sanctions bill, we know that 😂
What's he gonna do, fire the Senate & Congress like he did Comey?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)misanthrope
(7,408 posts)It can always be useful down the road.
Besides, even if the purported "Pee Pee Tape" were true, what difference would it make now? His base won't turn on him, neither will his party. Is watching others engage in a sexual act while in another country an impeachable offense?
MrPurple
(985 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)The christian fundie base of tRump's (Republican) support forgave "grab 'em by the pussy" and they will forgive a pee tape.
But though their sons and daughters and mothers and fathers died to uphold the freedom to participate in golden showers (among other activities), they did NOT die so that an erstwhile billionaire could have more golf courses.
Put it in those terms and they will finally begin to understand.
misanthrope
(7,408 posts)Our contemporary culture is vapid.
volstork
(5,399 posts)"Christians" only want gays to go back into the closet and women not to have abortions. That's ALL they care about...
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)but I can't on the grounds that I believe that to be about 94.7% true.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Pervert, with his own lips, right here. Still, some of the right didn't believe it...or care, obviously.
Peeing on Russians is probably way better. I guess they peed on him too, in beds, so the dossier alludes.
misanthrope
(7,408 posts)a pair of female prostitutes urinating on the bed while he watched from a few feet away. Its value would have been to cost him votes in an election.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)By his very own lips on video. He survived it. Deplorables either don't believe it or care. Some have straight faced, more angry faced, told me it's fake news. I don't think the fine details matter. I HOPE I AM WRONG!
misanthrope
(7,408 posts)It would take far more than a pee-pee tape at this point. Unless it is video of him taking a dump on the American flag while handing missile codes to Putin with one hand and uranium to Islamic militants with the other then I doubt the GOP or his base would do anything.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)how many agencies say it, even on video with him talking...it's back to his being right, in that, he could murder someone in plain sight and he would not lose the support of his base.
mopinko
(69,990 posts)sex, no, but if it backs up jane doe's allegations?
calimary
(81,109 posts)his newly-acquired manservant isn't delivering what he expects.
It'll suck BIGLY to be you, Donald.
eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)"Now, which Vladimir Putin are they referring to this time ?"
bellmartin
(218 posts)It's comforting, isn't it, to be absolutely sure of whom they're talking about?
Duppers
(28,117 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I suspect this one could be a near unanimous vote.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)if a bill passes by a margin that's greater than a two third's vote in each chamber, is it veto proof. Meaning that the President can't veto it.
the answer is that the vote does not matter. The President can still veto and the override must still take place. One cannot assume a yes vote before a veto remains that way after the veto. A second vote in both chambers becomes necessary.
The margin in the initial vote is still an indicator of the override, but it cannot be assumed.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)The extent to which our side also messes up Civics 101 troubles me. Usually I explain relatively patiently, but sometimes I get cranky and my fingers get the better of me.
louis c
(8,652 posts)but it's like that everywhere I go, from both sides.
Many left leaning voters who didn't like Hilary couldn't see the danger of voting third party or write in. that lack of sophistication and knowledge of our system has caused us the problems we have today.
Before we convince others to vote the right way, we need to educate our side in understanding that you can fight for your candidate in the primary, but we must come together in the general.
The Hilary voters understood that fact in 2008. I was disappointed that she lost in the primary, but I was working my ass off for Obama in the general. I know what's at stake. Judges, Boards, policies etc. We are much better off with the second choice Democrat than any Republican at the national level.
But, alas, too may on our side will have to learn the hard way.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)When he worked his tail off for Nader in 2000, despite me and others talking ourselves blue in the face.
Since then he's become an elected democrat (locally), and strongly discourages spoiler candidates. Too bad I couldn't find a way to convince him when it mattered . . .
As for "both sides" - we like to trash Republicans for being ignorant and illiterate - but far too often we need to reinforce our own glass windows before lobbing so many stones.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)People keep asking why don't the Democrats do something!!!!! I get tired of explaining that the majority party controls everything in Congress, including whether or not something even gets taken up in committee, whether or not an investigation is ordered, etc.
The same people who don't understand how Congress works are the ones who voted third party as some kind of asinine protest and got us in this fix in the first place.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)The president can then lobby a few "shaky" members of Congress to change their votes - maybe enough time for Putin to feed him some Kopromat on those shaky members?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)He'll get SOOOOO much attention that way!
And you know what THAT means, right?
Yup ... RATINGS! Sweet, sweet RATINGS!
It'll also show those dumb ol' Dems and Failing NY Times and the Amazon WaPo who's REALLY in charge of stuff. He don't GAF about being accused of coddling Putin cause no REAL Murkins think he has anything to do with Pootie anyways ...
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)I heard that idea on the news yesterday and said out loud, "Wow, that makes sense, I never thought of that". The person said that partisanship gets more ratings and revenue for media outlets and the companies who own them. Therefore by continuing to keep the friction between the two parties is a win for them financially!
ancianita
(35,932 posts)articulated any coherent foreign policy, anyway.
There's a saying that the problem with business is government and vice versa.
Right now, the problem with government is how other nation's ways of doing business corrupt our government.
His vetoing this bill would just add to the FBI's case.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Voting over and over to repeal Obamacare. Makes them look good, but they really won't have to answer for it.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)dealings in the US, or complicit in the obstruction of justice of the FBI's investigation.
They're passing this bill because many in that majority party knew what Sessions and others were doing, fooling around with Russian money in this country, and they kept silent.
Now that the public knows that many of them knew about Russian money, internet and election interference, they're trying to save their seats back home. They're trying to do a Pontius Pilate wash of hands of it all.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)ancianita
(35,932 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)What an asshole. GRRRRR
3catwoman3
(23,947 posts)Obfuscatory terminology to say the least.
tomp
(9,512 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,151 posts)is to flip his tie over his shoulder so it doesn't get tangled in Pootie's butt cheeks.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)After I think 10 days, a law passed by both Houses becomes law.
With the exception of the pocket veto.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)1. He vetoes the sanctions, but that would cause a political meltdown for him, and Congress would likely override the veto.
2. He lets it pass, not delivering for his Benefactor, Putie. Who knows how much more leverage they have over him than is currently public.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)behind the scenes, try to convince house members not to send it.
He's got too much to lose to let this pass. Maybe he let's it pass, and then he guts it. All roads eventuality lead to keeping Putin happy.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Putin will start exposing his Russian connection secrets
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Takket
(21,528 posts)Despite their fear of defying their previous deplorables in public, congress just sent 45 an indirect message.... we can't stand you.
This is the game 45 has no chance at.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Pee. Pee. Tape.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Russian ties. Repealing sanctions unlocks billions and billions.
JenniferJuniper
(4,507 posts)they'd just say "He's a baby Christian now. He'd never do that today."
Incredible, but true.
3catwoman3
(23,947 posts)..."forgiven" bullshit. In endless supply, no less.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)A good one from the early nineties
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,104 posts)Will he, like Caligula, start ordering them to run beside his limo?
appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)magicarpet
(14,119 posts)Hello is this room service
Could we order a Diet Coke with a one ounce shot of Putin's Plutonium.
Hold the ice if you would
That is for room 666 and charge it to the D.Trump Sr. account.