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I just watched the news and saw Pussy Grabber behaving like Mussolini at a fucking BOY SCOUT jamboree. . .
I'm so goddamned appalled. Just speechless. Un-fucking-believable. What the FUCK has happened to our country? This pussy grabbing nightmare is 'guiding' our country?
Not one goddamned redeeming value. . . Not one. . . He is void of anything that would make him a worthy human being. I cannot thing of anybody WORSE who could have been nominated by that shitty, traitorous party and its fucking redneck meth head supporters. Goddamn.
We cannot become accustomed to this shit. I am stunned.
skylucy
(3,734 posts)and with the BSA leadership. Sickening. Trump wants his version of Hitler Youth. Today I have my doubts whether our country will survive this piece of ****.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)1) Potus is the honorary President of the BSA. He's always invited.
2) It's very clear in the BSA literature that they are not to engage in political activities while in uniform.
3) Why would anyone think the BSA could control him?
So from my perspective, the BSA leadership was between a rock and a hard spot. They can't tell him not to attend without violating their own policies, and they know he's going to violate their policies. I can't blame the scouts themselves, you want them to be enthusiastic, but the adult leaders from the troops should have been there to remind the boys that this is not a political rally even if the President wants to make it one.
Try looking at it from this perspective: the Scout Oath and Law are pretty succinct encapsulations of our cultures ideals. Those values are what we, as a society, says are the ways people should act. So if you are honest about it you'll always find conflicts trying to live up to all of the ideals. The problem with 45 is that there is pretty much no part of the Oath and Law that he seems to view as being worth striving for.
I think he viewed them as just so many more suckers.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)plimsoll
(1,664 posts)It's a reality and plenty of scout(er)s haven't figured out how to reconcile friendly, courteous, kind with "God hates <insert whatever>." I'd argue that by it's own rules it can't be political, and this stunt was a clear violation of BSA policy.
Here's a question I puzzle over though: There seems to be a distinct portion of society that views "biased," "partisan" and "political" as synonyms for "not agreeing with me." In that light I doubt they even see the problems this will cause for liberal scouts and scouters (yes, they do exist.)
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)an excuse for why they invited him. They must disavow the way he turned it into a campaign rally and must make a statement about the abysmal lack of respect shown by the scouts, etc towards an ex-president (who was a scout) and first lady (who's husband was a scout). The BSA must take a stance in line with the Oath and Law they espouse or it means absolute nothing any more.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Was it always that way? I forget. I remember enjoying my time as a boy scout. I now remember my scoutmaster as an authoritarian demi god. But i turned out ok.. i hope. 😄
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Hubby is an Eagle & OA ('74) and when asked if they had always been 'cowards in shorts' he chuckled a bit and said, "Yeah, I suppose."
In that way they still seem to walk a fine line and as a non-profit they have to be seen as apolitical so I think it freaks them out when they run into accusations of partisan politics. The problem is the way Trump went on was OTT and not appropriate for boys nor a non-profit who wants to keep that status.
Most scouts I've known are okay... a few are jerks... some are awesome... you seem to fall into the later category from what I've seen.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)sarge43
(28,939 posts)Hugin
(32,773 posts)"redneck meth head supporters" These people are the older white male synthetic prescription opioid abusers. Who were the alcoholics, who hated the pot-head hippies fifty years ago... Youknow, like their Saint Lush Rimballs.
Otherwise, rant away!
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)The term 'Opioids' in it's current understanding (medically) encompasses everything from pure opium poppies to morphine to heroin to oxy to fentanyl. If it stimulates the body's opioid receptors (in particular the mu receptor), it's an opioid.
And there's not ALL THAT much difference between any of them, regardless whether they're derived directly from opium (poppies, morphine, codeine) or thebaine (a poppy product with minimal opioid-like properties but which serves as a pre-cursor for semi-synthetics such as hydro and oxycodone, or methadone), or entirely synthesized like Demerol & Fentanyl.
One exception being buprenorphine, which is an uber-long lasting drug that's only a partial agonist but with very strong binding affinity (in a sense, like naloxone or naltrexone ... which are opioid-ANTagonists, but also with very high binding affinity for the receptors) and hence works a bit differently from it's cousins ... recently used in treating addiction (aka 'subs'). It's also a semi-synthetic, derived from thebaine.
Also ... if you were an alcoholic 50 years ago, it's almost certain you're dead, esp. if you later became an opioid addict
My only bright spot right now (sad to say) is that these guys are going fast... There are still a number of them around as they are in their '70s, but, Trumpanov is their swan song.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Don't assume it's only the old folk.
Hugin
(32,773 posts)The group I'm talking about are the core of his hateful voting support AKA The Deplorables. Without their racist sexist vitriol the rest would fade back into the swamp they slithered out of.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'm just speaking anecdotally. I know quite a few younger people in the cult. Evangelicals mostly but others that are just secular authoritarian-followers. Military and their families, gun-humpers, angry dummasses....fox fans.
I don't know that they'd just slither away without the old fossils, I don't think it's wise to just dismiss them so easily.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Every president since Eisenhower has addressed the Jamborees, always with a dignified positive uplifting message.
That stupid asshole goes into a miserable horrible rant that is met with cheers and applause probably encouraged by goober assed leadership. It's a tragedy.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)audience? Notice the MAGA Red Caps. Notice the Yellow T-shirts,notice the yellow shirts and red caps cheerleading. Nuf said,Press,you got jobbed big time suckers.
George II
(67,782 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)pissed me off royally. Spent a few years as a Scout Master and attended several Jamboree's. Always made darn sure every kid our Troop was able to attend those Jamboree's and they are not cheap.
After what I saw today,BSA will never get a cent again,count on it.
plimsoll
(1,664 posts)Please reconsider. Donald Trump played the BSA, they had to invite him, let him speak or they would have been violating their own policies. Blaming the BSA in this case is akin to giving in to the terrorists. He used their own strength against them. Every last piece of BSA literature says that should not have happened, but you know he doesn't give a damn. The BSA needs more people who care about the country and others, or it becomes that Hitler Jugend we're all afraid of.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Only did two National Jamboree's. It was all about the Kids. After today,forget it,never again,if the leadership of BSA is that Stupid,do not know what to say. Understand your point.
onetexan
(12,994 posts)propagandistic opp to spew his venom & as platform to sway impressionable kids. Its nothing short of brainwashing. This is so disgusting & sickening agent orange & the GOP have reduced our country to this level of hate & partisanship.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)See also "leadership". BSA has neither.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And thet let him come anyway .
Fuck them.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)... with a strong and undeniable condemnation of this stunt, I'll consider supporting them again. Ex scout myself, and was an asst. scout leader for a few years in the early 90s. I understand that they were in a tight spot on the invite. But until organizations like that condemn his bull shit, it will go on unchecked, and we run the risk of becoming accustomed to it. Also, much of the country doesn't know the BSA policy, and currently think liberals are making a politically correct mountain out of a molehill. The BSA MUST get out front and center and call out his stunt, and dis-invite him from returning next year (they would sure as hell boot little "Jimmy" out if he so flagrantly violated a fundamental policy, right?). Otherwise, they are complicit in Trump's theatrics, and have lost my support. Sorry. They seem important to you. But whatever you thought they were, they're apparently not.
cornball 24
(1,471 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)And he is a scary thought. Congress will adjourn for the Summer Recess in a couple of weeks.
Trump takes that opportunity to fire Sessions and appoint a 'loyal' AG. It is called a recess appointment and lasts until the next session of Congress is gaveled in in 2018.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)...This Is Not What The Boy Scouts Of America Represents.
This Was Utter Bullshit And A Very Pro Trump Rally, America
Is Not Really Into This Fuck.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)or distasteful and that's my cue to turn it off. I wish I had done that 2 years ago when he was running.
BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)I'd rather have a root canal without painkillers than listen to him, Scaramucci or Kellyanne.
mobeau69
(11,074 posts)He is insane and he is evil.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)What a contrast to the evil we have now.
There were 12 year-olds in that BSA audience.
I put the blame entirely on Trump, who turned a regular Scout event into a rally for him, with all the ugliness that implies. However, the BSA needs to issue a statement condemning Trump's sickening speech.
jmbar2
(4,828 posts)If I had a kid in BSA, I'd pull him out and explain why. Inexcusable.
Initech
(99,909 posts)Fuck Trump.
bora13
(860 posts)that a fairly nasty sized percentage of this country
actually thinks all that is the cat's pj's?
orangecrush
(19,236 posts)None of them are here....................
orangecrush
(19,236 posts)With CORRUPTING THE MORALS OF MINORS, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER CHARGES HE WILL BE FACING!
sprinkleeninow
(20,133 posts)I am so very sick of all of this.
A day of reckoning will come upon those who in word or deed damage or hurt the 'little ones'. By that means trusting souls who have no guile. It is written.
God. You have heard.
dchill
(38,315 posts)get the red out
(13,458 posts)Using kids is very low, but not a surprise.
perdita9
(1,142 posts)They've done immeasurable damage to the BSA with this incident. People join scouts because it's such a positive, values based organization.
Now all anyone's going to remember is Trump turning it into a Hitler Youth Rally.
perdita9
(1,142 posts)The longer he stays in office, the worse this will get
zentrum
(9,865 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)are Putin's weapons of mass destruction.
We can't do a damn thing to stop them either.
We have one slim chance in 2018 but till then...we are at the mercy of a serial sexual assaulter and his crime family.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)and PS some in that crowd (one loud man booed the taped speech)President Obama had a prior commitment.
here
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'm feeling out of words lately.
The fact that there are people who frikkin lurrrrrve the disgusting, ugly pile of dung turns my stomach even worse, if that's actually possible.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I hope the entire organization goes down in flames.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't even say what i want to happen to him or I will get banned.
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)... swear. And this particular time it is now:
"Fuck!!!"
-Puzzler
Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)MFM008
(19,776 posts)To Obamas speech just to regain momentary sanity.