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greyl

(22,990 posts)
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:52 AM Jul 2017

There were gasps when McCain, after being furiously lobbied by Pence, joined two other Repub...

A dagger in Trump's plans - BBC North America Correspondent Anthony Zurcher

The arc of history is long, but it bends towards revenge.

Just over two years after candidate Donald Trump mocked John McCain's Vietnam War record, noting that he prefers heroes "who weren't captured", the Arizona senator stuck a dagger in President Trump's healthcare reform plans.

There were gasps when Mr McCain, after being furiously lobbied by Vice-President Mike Pence, joined two other Republican senators in voting against the so-called "skinny" repeal plan, considered the bare minimum Senate Republicans could agree on.

Instead of a big step toward becoming law - either in its skinny form or after further negotiations with the House of Representatives - the future of Obamacare repeal has been thrown into doubt.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40750071
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There were gasps when McCain, after being furiously lobbied by Pence, joined two other Repub... (Original Post) greyl Jul 2017 OP
Yes there were Egnever Jul 2017 #1
When they called his name for the vote, I didn't hear his reply. greyl Jul 2017 #3
McCain stepped up... bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #2
Nice to see McCain get some satisfaction zz-la Jul 2017 #4
GMAB here. Look at his record. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #10
He sacrificed himself for the Party. They did not want repeal. Since he likely will not seek Midnight Writer Jul 2017 #5
How does that make sense? greyl Jul 2017 #6
McCain provided cover for those who voted yes (from revenge of base,Trump and Kochs etc ) wishstar Jul 2017 #9
Zactly! nt Duppers Jul 2017 #11
that's bs. if that was true they would just not have called him back and it would have been a good JI7 Jul 2017 #7
I don't know. LeftInTX Jul 2017 #8
Twitter twisted that dagger.. Duppers Jul 2017 #12
Are you joking? Where'd he say that...? :) nt greyl Jul 2017 #13
I edited my post. Duppers Jul 2017 #14
No worries, it's a good thought to sleep upon. :) nt greyl Jul 2017 #15
The man prepares to meet his god. NT lisby Jul 2017 #16
Did you see HOW he did it ???? Here it is OnDoutside Jul 2017 #17
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
1. Yes there were
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:58 AM
Jul 2017

Was watching it live and we were straining to hear the votes as they were cast.

Heard the gasps when it happened and did not know immediately what caused it because apparently he didn't speak he gave a thumbs down but we knew something had happened.

A minute or two later it was announced he had voted no on the news in the background but the reaction had already indicated something big had happened.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
3. When they called his name for the vote, I didn't hear his reply.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:02 AM
Jul 2017

Several votes later, he approached the center of the floor, gave thumbs down, Schumer gave the "cut it" motion to quell Dem's outburst of jubilation. I wasn't sure exactly what happened there...

Midnight Writer

(21,540 posts)
5. He sacrificed himself for the Party. They did not want repeal. Since he likely will not seek
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:17 AM
Jul 2017

he is in position to be all mavericky and be the goat for Trump and the Republicans to blame for their "failure".

greyl

(22,990 posts)
6. How does that make sense?
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:29 AM
Jul 2017

Most of the party voted "yes", so how is a "no" vote a sacrifice for the Party?

Republicans dislike Trump much more than they're willing to let on publicly, I think. Do you mean McCain provided cover for others who wanted to vote against but were afraid to?

wishstar

(5,267 posts)
9. McCain provided cover for those who voted yes (from revenge of base,Trump and Kochs etc )
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:46 AM
Jul 2017

It looks like theatrical CYA maneuvering that only 3 of them voted no.

Those who voted yes will not be blacklisted and harassed and called traitors to Repub party by rightwing. Party cohesion is helped by only having 3 defectors. Whereas, Collins, Murkowski and McCain will be criticized, they are all in position to withstand any blowback. Many of the yes votes know it was a shitty bill that would cause bad repercussions between now and 2018 election, but they are now safe with their base and Trump and big money donors.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
7. that's bs. if that was true they would just not have called him back and it would have been a good
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:31 AM
Jul 2017

excuse not to do anything about it.

LeftInTX

(24,541 posts)
8. I don't know.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:38 AM
Jul 2017

Most of them didn't know what was going to be in the bill.

I think there may have been a trade off with Heller.

Heller gets to vote yes and take credit for trying to repeal without passing this awful bill.

This was a really bad bill.

McCain doesn't have to worry about his political future.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
12. Twitter twisted that dagger..
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:02 AM
Jul 2017

"McCain prefers Presidents who weren't captured by Putin."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029382611

Edited to correct. I don't think it was McCain who wrote that - at least I could not find the quote in McCain's Twitter feed. But it is juicy.


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