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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:50 AM Jul 2017

How Ironic...ObamaCare May Be McConnell's Undoing

Couldn't be more perfect. His failure to get this legislation through has Republican Senators thinking about new leadership. He contrived and double-dealt to get this bill passed and he FAILED…BIGLY…HUGELY. He said the Dems are celebrating and I hope they are after what he has put them and PBO through for the last 8 years. This may be a true example of the moral arm of the universe working …against him and his so called president.

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How Ironic...ObamaCare May Be McConnell's Undoing (Original Post) Me. Jul 2017 OP
His dogma may have been run over by his karma. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #1
this is but a small taste of the karma they're due. unblock Jul 2017 #8
Dems deserve a short celebration... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #2
They'll Need Some Time To Lick Their Wounds Me. Jul 2017 #3
Democrats have placed republicans on the record now in both beachbum bob Jul 2017 #4
Good Strategy Me. Jul 2017 #5
democrats have a solid year to lambast republicans in vulnerable relections now beachbum bob Jul 2017 #17
Yep. Hang it around their necks dalton99a Jul 2017 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #13
We can only hope he takes Paul Ryan and the rest of those with him Warpy Jul 2017 #7
The So Called Freedom Caucus May Be The Undoing Of That Me. Jul 2017 #9
I wish this were true, but... Kensan Jul 2017 #16
Well.... Impeachment was Gingrich's undoing in much the same way. scheming daemons Jul 2017 #10
Good Point Me. Jul 2017 #12
Thanks, Obama! Cracklin Charlie Jul 2017 #11
This is a Dem win-win Mr. Ected Jul 2017 #14
AND.... Me. Jul 2017 #15

unblock

(52,196 posts)
8. this is but a small taste of the karma they're due.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jul 2017

mcturtle deserves to be stripped of his leadership role, defeated by his constituents, and replaced by a democrat who not only supports obamacare but also insists that the next supreme court justice be garland.

then they deserve to lose the house and the senate in the mid-terms, and after the house makes hillary the speaker (speaker doesn't have to be a member), they impeach and remove benedict donald and his sidekick, making hillary president at last.

then, endless investigations (well, at least nine) into republican campaign crimes and ethics violations and so on, followed by appropriate charges, trials, and sentences.


*that's* what they're due.

obamacare staying in place until benedict donald figures out a way to screw it up is but a very small down payment.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
2. Dems deserve a short celebration...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jul 2017

but I'm sure this isn't over. Repub hatred of social safety net programs knows no bounds.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. They'll Need Some Time To Lick Their Wounds
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jul 2017

And maybe they will keep trying for the next 7 years but with 45 in the WH, they're going to have more problems than they can handle and success at anything for them may be like sand through fingers.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
4. Democrats have placed republicans on the record now in both
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jul 2017

The Senate and the House so 2018 tactics can clearly focus on conservative contempt of most Americans and their health care. I believe many more house and senate races have become toss ups....

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
17. democrats have a solid year to lambast republicans in vulnerable relections now
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jul 2017

educate the constituents on what it would have cost them, their doctors and the hospitals. Makes a great campaign issue that trumps guns and abortion

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Warpy

(111,245 posts)
7. We can only hope he takes Paul Ryan and the rest of those with him
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 11:28 AM
Jul 2017

but remember, he lost this one by only one vote and sadly, that one vote won't be around for much longer.

Tax reform is coming up. That's going to be a real hoot and they'll probably get that passed. Never mind that the whole supply side scam got its lab test in Kansas, an otherwise fiscally healthy state, and nearly destroyed everything. These guys don't care that their dogma has failed miserably, it's their dogma and they're sticking to it.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
9. The So Called Freedom Caucus May Be The Undoing Of That
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 11:33 AM
Jul 2017

There's no way to pay for tax cuts now that the health care overhaul failed. The ACA was going to be the bankroll and the FC is saying the tax cuts have to be paid for. Besides, let's not underestimate how 45 can create problems that will roadblock this legislation too.

Kensan

(180 posts)
16. I wish this were true, but...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:01 PM
Jul 2017

There are a few other tax reform proposals floating out there with revenue raising components. Some provisions of the Trump plan would create huge cash inflows, especially in year 1. The trick will be the Republican desire to make any tax cuts permanent. That would require the CBO saying the tax cuts won't increase the deficit after year 10 (or the tax laws sunset/expire like the Bush tax cuts). This is where the Republicans are arguing amongst themselves. Some just want a 10-year money grab using reconciliation procedures to limit the Democrats ability to stop the legislation, while others want a permanent tax cut.

Plus, you know the Republicans will slash spending for multiple social services if they need an offset for near-term budgetary purposes. They may dismantle portions of government so severely that certain agencies never recover (ie., don't need to be funded at all).

The failure of ACA repeal is a great start, but there are plenty of tough fights left before yearend. No one likes to pay taxes, and it's an easy appeal to populist sentiment that "we pay too much taxes already". That makes it all the more imperative the Democrats stick together on this front. Tax reform will be ugly if the Dems don't get out front with proper and easily understood messaging about the actual consequences of anything this current Republican Congress tries to pass. We all know it will be heavily slanted to benefit the super wealthy.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
14. This is a Dem win-win
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jul 2017

We beat them up in 2018 for even THINKING about taking away our health care.

They beat themselves up for failing to take away our health care.

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