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Republicans caught between a rock and a hard place... (Original Post) kpete Jul 2017 OP
stock up on the popcorn, the 3 ring circus is just starting beachbum bob Jul 2017 #1
Nice set of moves by McCain. Chemisse Jul 2017 #2
Nice. tanyev Jul 2017 #3
he also may like Break time Jul 2017 #4
You mean being a blowhard with no filter, who "says what we're all thinking" christx30 Jul 2017 #16
So does Trump call McCain "the American Candidate" in private? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #26
Definite stage craft... 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #5
So wishing McCain good luck with his cancer treatments was a good thing IronLionZion Jul 2017 #6
I say fuck the Repukes over again and again Metro135 Jul 2017 #7
The Mooch had some comments on flexibility they can bring to bear n/t NotASurfer Jul 2017 #12
But this fiscal year ends Sept 30. pangaia Jul 2017 #8
Tax reform/cuts are their priority nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #9
They can't try to repeal the ACA again or try the tax cut until Oct. brush Jul 2017 #30
They haven't settled the BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #13
OMG! Did you have to post all that. It gave me a serious headache pangaia Jul 2017 #19
LOL Sorry BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #20
Ok enough.. Stop torturing me. pangaia Jul 2017 #22
I'm listening to Bread at the moment BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #23
No clue.... :))) pangaia Jul 2017 #24
I took a semester of "Music Appreciation" in college BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #25
No, because then they will need reconciliation for the budget bill. That's why they were hoping pnwmom Jul 2017 #17
So just to be clear - only ONE reconciliation bill period for any fiscal year? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #28
Here's a link. pnwmom Jul 2017 #29
Will Trump dress up Bannon in a shark costume and jump him to start it? bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #27
if that was mr. mccain's intention krakfiend Jul 2017 #10
He had to know. Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #11
Do you know how "topic" is defined? Jim__ Jul 2017 #14
Fiscal year ends September 30th Drahthaardogs Jul 2017 #15
Yes, with the budget bills. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #18
But he and Eddie have to deal with the Budget Control Act of 2011 BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #21

christx30

(6,241 posts)
16. You mean being a blowhard with no filter, who "says what we're all thinking"
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

sometimes has consequences?

Now we need to find a way for Miss Universe to screw over trump. I want everyone that he insulted to come forward with some way to get at him. Reince Priebus testifies against him and brings out a filing cabinet worth of documents to help in the impeachment.

IronLionZion

(45,256 posts)
6. So wishing McCain good luck with his cancer treatments was a good thing
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 09:39 AM
Jul 2017

it worked out on the rare occasions when he really is a maverick

It was awesome watching him and McConnell exchange dirty looks when he voted no.

And since Donny 2 scoops is never going to understand what happened, he needs to step up his insults against fellow Republicans until more of them turn against him.

This is so awesome

brush

(53,469 posts)
30. They can't try to repeal the ACA again or try the tax cut until Oct.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jul 2017

Trump doesn't seem to get it. Ryan and McConnell will go with the tax cut try for their once-a-year chance with reconciliation.

I think the ACA will survive while they go for the tax cut.

BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
13. They haven't settled the
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jul 2017

1.) FY18 appropriations
2.) Debt Ceiling

Eddie Munster was able to settle with his side to go with "Minibus" bills that they just passed. But here's the issue with that -

WASHINGTON — The House on Thursday passed a four-bill, $789.6 billion package that includes defense and military construction, and Veterans Affairs spending for 2018, almost entirely along party lines. But the bill sets up a showdown in the Senate over its inclusion of $1.57 billion in border wall funding and because it tops defense budget caps by more than $63.5 billion. Democrats, whose votes are needed to pass such legislation in the Senate, signaled the provisions were non-starters.

“Dead on arrival,” Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, and ranking member of the Senate Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Subcommittee, said of the bill’s chances in the Senate.

The inclusion of the U.S.-Mexico border wall, a signature campaign pledge of President Trump’s, seems designed to play to GOP conservatives, but House Democratic leaders urged their caucus to vote “no” over it. Indeed, the House passed the “security bus” 235-192, with only five Democrats joining the majority (and five Republicans voting with the minority).

Beyond Democratic opposition, House Republicans have been unable to reach agreement on federal spending for 2018. House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has yet to advance a strategy for passing the eight remaining appropriations bills, or a budget resolution — a document that typically would have preceded appropriations bills.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2017/07/27/us-house-approves-security-spending-bill-with-16b-for-trump-border-wall/


I.e., they still have to decide on the other 8 appropriations bills AND what they passed will most likely be DOA in the Senate. But because what they passed went above the previously agreed-upon budget, it would supposedly trigger the sequester cutoff (13.2%) for the military spending too (a waiver via legislation being needed to halt that sequester).

You have some kamikaze idiots in the GOP who would probably try to shut the government down to defund the ACA and particularly Planned Parenthood. And the purists among the GOP might also hurl some digs at their own regarding the debt ceiling because they will demand draconian cuts in the budget.

So there will be more misery to come.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. OMG! Did you have to post all that. It gave me a serious headache
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jul 2017





Really, thanks Bum...it is so much more complicated than I can ever imagine, It's like trying to keep track of the extended family of my Chinese ex-wife!

BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
20. LOL Sorry
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017


I don't how much time they will be able to devote to "tax reform" outside of the simplistic way they have approached legislation in the past - throw together a "framework", take some previous legislation and cross out any "taxes" that were imposed for the ACA for example (don't be surprised if they take Obama's "repeal of the Bush tax cuts" to use to repeal the repeal) and then try to do all of this behind closed doors - no hearings, and throw it out there for a vote - including doing it as a rider to a must-pass appropriations bill (although that might require 60 votes in the Senate).

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
22. Ok enough.. Stop torturing me.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jul 2017

Do I go into a harmonic, melodic and structural analysis of the last movement of Mozart's Jupiter Symphony?
Things like four-part invertible counterpoint, diminution, chain suspensions...?

Or the fact that the 12 tone row in Webern's SYMPHONY OP. 21 is a symmetrical retrograde at the interval of a tritone...?

No. Of course not. You would alert me and block me.

Truth to tell -- I AM really impressed at how much many folks here know. It is where I get everything....






BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
25. I took a semester of "Music Appreciation" in college
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jul 2017

about 35 years ago (and had 3 semesters of physics) so could probably follow along...

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. No, because then they will need reconciliation for the budget bill. That's why they were hoping
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 12:06 PM
Jul 2017

to get healthcare done this fiscal year.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
29. Here's a link.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jul 2017
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/introduction-to-budget-reconciliation

How Many Reconciliation Bills May Congress Consider Each Year?

Under Senate interpretations of the Congressional Budget Act, the Senate can consider the three basic subjects of reconciliation — spending, revenues, and debt limit — in a single bill or multiple bills, but it can consider each of these three in only one bill per year (unless Congress passes a second budget resolution). Consequently, in the Senate there can be a maximum of three reconciliation bills in a year, one for each of the basic subjects of reconciliation.

This rule is most significant if the first reconciliation bill that the Senate takes up affects both spending and revenues. Even if that bill is overwhelmingly devoted to only one of those subjects, no subsequent reconciliation bill can affect either revenues or spending because the first bill already addressed them.
 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
27. Will Trump dress up Bannon in a shark costume and jump him to start it?
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jul 2017

This "Obamacare" repeal show is getting really old by now. All they need is to jump the shark.

krakfiend

(202 posts)
10. if that was mr. mccain's intention
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jul 2017

then i say thank you sir and madams, that have made it possible. and all democrats voting against it.

Johnny2X2X

(18,744 posts)
11. He had to know.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jul 2017

McCain and his people have been around long enough to know exactly what they were doing.

60 votes means they'd have to work with Dems. Imagine if that happened. Would Trump even sign it?

Jim__

(14,045 posts)
14. Do you know how "topic" is defined?
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 11:42 AM
Jul 2017

I'm wondering if they can sneak this back in under a different topic.

BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
21. But he and Eddie have to deal with the Budget Control Act of 2011
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

which, for example, the mess the House passed this past Thursday, violates.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-112publ25/html/PLAW-112publ25.htm

This is the "sequestration" thing, which will impact whatever they might try to cook up - notably all this defense build-up.

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