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applegrove

(118,600 posts)
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 07:54 PM Aug 2017

NYT Article Suggests Bannon is Flagrantly Colluding with Russia

By ericlewis0 at Daily Kos

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/5/1687134/-NYT-Article-Suggests-Bannon-is-Flagrantly-Colluding-with-Russia

"SNIP............



www.nytimes.com/…

Okay, so once again, the crap that Breitbart is spewing — and remember, Bannon has an ethics waiver to continue working with Breitbart — is magically being co-spewed by Russian bot farms. And firing McMaster isn’t the kind of thing that Russia would even care about without close cooperation from the White House.

Not to mention, this is pretty much identical to what Team Trump was doing during the campaign. From McClatchy, in March:

Operatives for Russia appear to have strategically timed the computer commands, known as “bots,” to blitz social media with links to the pro-Trump stories at times when the billionaire businessman was on the defensive in his race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, these sources said.

The bots’ end products were largely millions of Twitter and Facebook posts carrying links to stories on conservative internet sites such as Breitbart News and InfoWars, as well as on the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News, the sources said...


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NYT Article Suggests Bannon is Flagrantly Colluding with Russia (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2017 OP
" ... and remember, Bannon has an ethics waiver to continue working with Breitbart ... " DK504 Aug 2017 #1
K & R L. Coyote Aug 2017 #2
The gin blossom special Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #6
Twitter and Facebook have to do something about their 'bot problem flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #3
You'd think Zuckerberg would be upset... Girard442 Aug 2017 #4
He's one of them. ananda Aug 2017 #12
The Russians are white Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #5
The actual nazi base thinks that any non Anglo Saxon is beyond the pale. Mc Mike Aug 2017 #9
Where did you get this info? Johnyawl Aug 2017 #13
Decades worth of studying historic and contemporary nazis, Johny. Mc Mike Aug 2017 #15
Thanks for the reply Johnyawl Aug 2017 #16
That quote was a Vonnegut one, maybe in Mother Night. Mc Mike Aug 2017 #17
More than that- Russia courted intolerant Christian Americans sharedvalues Aug 2017 #11
I remember that March story. Mc Mike Aug 2017 #7
Lock him up!! SHRED Aug 2017 #8
Suspect number 1! Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #10
So, President Bannon is back? SergeStorms Aug 2017 #14

DK504

(3,847 posts)
1. " ... and remember, Bannon has an ethics waiver to continue working with Breitbart ... "
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 08:02 PM
Aug 2017

Shhhhhh, exactly how the F does the drunken f-er able to keep ties with that rag?

Just think if the black guy did it.....

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
3. Twitter and Facebook have to do something about their 'bot problem
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 08:44 PM
Aug 2017

In the meantime, I rarely if ever use either for exactly that reason.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
9. The actual nazi base thinks that any non Anglo Saxon is beyond the pale.
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 09:34 PM
Aug 2017

They don't think Scandinavians or Southern Europeans or Celts are white. The same goes for Slavs.

They'll use those kind of people to try to get the nazi ball rolling, sure. But that's a temporary accomodation.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
13. Where did you get this info?
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 10:58 PM
Aug 2017

I know they don't think Slavs and southern Europeans are 'white', but the original Nazis thought Scandinavians were Aryan (they are after all Germanic) - Hitler was bitterly disappointed in the resistance from the Danes and Norwegians.

And Celts? lmao I'd be willing to bet that at least 1/4 of the American Nazi Party is Irish.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
15. Decades worth of studying historic and contemporary nazis, Johny.
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 12:49 PM
Aug 2017

Your 'lmao' aside, I'm willing to say why I made my statement, but you can feel free to think what you want, of course.


The original nazis told all kinds of people that nazis thought they were pure blooded white, including the Slavs and southern europeans who you know they don't think are white. You know, like Mussolini's crew, or "Doctor" Gorka's Hungarian forefathers. It's all a matter of who they can get at to toss on the bonfire, in what order.

They called the Japanese "honorary aryans", which of course was b.s. That just meant that they would be back to get the Japanese later, like they did to Stalin's Russia. And the only way they could reconcile the differences between Anglo Saxon, Norse, and Celtic peoples was to have their boy Alfred Rosenberg posit that they had common roots via Atlantis.

That's not the kind of reassurance I'd take to the bank, in terms of protection against being liquidated as a race. But I wouldn't be super flattered if some nazi looked at me and said I passed their racial purity visual inspection, so maybe I'm biased. I'm sure the scandinavian nazis, the croats, etc., were just bursting with pride when they got the racial thumbs up from that little group of mental defectives from the reich.

The reich told all those eastern europeans that came under their thumb that they were white, just below the Aryan level. The nazis actually mass transported Polish workers to Lithuania, and Lithuanian workers to Poland, during the occupations. In Poland, the Lithuanian imports were below the poles in the racial concentration camp (work camp and death camp) pecking order, while right next door in Lithuania, the Poles were below the Lithuanians. They set up a caste system like the ones in India and South Africa, and only the Anglo Saxon Germans were at the top, everywhere. It was a system of control, didn't have to have hard fast rules that were immutable. The nazis' minds work like a cuckoo clock keeping time in hell.

You're right about the nazi pin-heads in America who are Irish. I don't know if I would go along with 25% as the figure for American nazis who are Irish (there are a lot of other off-white surnames in the US movement), but it's a real, significant phenomenom. As a mixed blood white looking person with some Irish genes, I tell the "pure blooded" Irish who are racists that the nazis don't think they're white, regularly. For what it's worth. I've shown some newspaper illustrations from Asbury's Gangs of NY to 'white' Irish, where the WASP US power structure depicted the Irish as monkeys, Indians (native aboriginals), and subhumans, in mainstream papers. "No Irish Need Apply" was a regular posted sign and saying from that time, no matter how many racist 'white' Irish cops we have in this country today.

The AB in prison has a code that doesn't allow for non-members to sport a shamrock tattoo, harkening back to some Irish co-founder. That would appear to be a point that backs your Celtic 'lmao' assertion. They'll make inmates that aren't with them cover a tattoo like that over or remove it, if that inmate's doing time within armreach of the brotherhood.

But those same ABers have an alliance on the west coast with La Eme, (the southern hispanic organized crime group,) while La Nuestra Familia (the northern hispanic o.c. group) is allied with the Blacks in the prison system.

That shows the lack of hard and fast rules in terms of Aryan racism, and shows the white power structure is keeping the hispanics disunited in the prison system, in order to prevent them from taking it over through sheer numbers.

But you know what happens to an Eme affiliated hispanic when he runs across a group of fun loving aryans out in public? The same thing that happens to an Italian skinhead in America when his effed up little group runs out of acceptable victims, and gets bored. You don't have to be especially swift to see a bunch of white looking skinheads with one who has reddish face hair or freckles, and think one of these things is not like the other, and know where it's going to end up eventually. In the end, racism HAS no reason, but that's a good thing, because it needs no reason. All it needs is opportunity.

And re Irish vs Aryans, anti nazi Irish kicked Hitler's blueshirt buddies' butts all over Ireland. And when the Klan attacked Notre Dame in Indiana, because the Irish Catholics weren't white enough for WASP dirtbag American racists, the Irish beat their asses. So we have some pretty strong anti-white-racist historical context that doesn't place the Irish with those aryans.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
16. Thanks for the reply
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 02:34 PM
Aug 2017

Most of the info in your post I was aware of, although I know very little about the prison gangs.

I have to question what you've said about the Nordic peoples. I had been taught that Hitler considered the Nordics to be Aryans and that he was bitterly disappointed in their resistance. Wikipedia confirms this: "...Hitler made references (in chapter 11 of Mein Kampf) to an "Aryan Race" founding a superior type of humanity. The purest stock of Aryans according to Nazi ideology was the Nordic people of Sweden and Norway. The Nazis claimed that Germanic people represented a southern branch of the Aryan-Nordic population. (Which is backwards as the Nordic people were originally Teutonic tribes that migrated north from what is now Germany.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race

The lmao wasn't directed at you or what you posted but rather at the idea of modern American Nazis believing that the Irish aren't white enough. lol I'm sure Pat Buchanan would be horrified at the thought. But then reading the wiki article reminds one just how bizarre and inconsistent the original Nazis were. "The nazis' minds work like a cuckoo clock keeping time in hell." Indeed.

regards,
Johnyawl

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
17. That quote was a Vonnegut one, maybe in Mother Night.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:52 PM
Aug 2017

I really only shined in to point out the anti-Slavic white bent of the old nazis, which we're not in disagreement about.

Here's some Cambridge stuff delineating the separate nature of Anglo Saxon, Norse, and Celtics as peoples.
https://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/anglo-saxon-norse-celtic/

Here's where the nazis tried to pretend that Anglo Saxons and Scandinavians had a common root, in Atlantis:

"...Only in the 1920s did a strong partiality for "Nordic" begin to reveal itself, and for a while the term was used almost interchangeably with Aryan.[19] Later, however, Nordic would not be co-terminous with Aryan, Indo-European or Germanic.[20] For example, the later Nazi minister for Food, Richard Walther Darré, who had developed a concept of the German peasantry as Nordic race, used the term 'Aryan' to refer to the tribes of the Iranian plains...

...and Alfred Rosenberg wrote of a "Nordic-Atlantean" master race whose civilisation was lost through inward corruption and betrayal.[54] According to Rosenberg, the Nordic race had evolved in a now-lost landmass off the coast of Europe, perhaps mythical Atlantis, migrated through northern Europe and expanded further south to Iran and India where it founded the Aryan cultures of Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. Like Grant and others, he argued that the entrepreneurial energy of the Nordics had "degenerated" when they mixed with "inferior" peoples."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race

Notice how the Norse 'degenerated' by mixing with 'inferior' peoples. The nazis felt that the Scandinavians had intermixed with Laplanders and Slavs.


In short, you can find all kinds of conflicting statements from the nazis about other peoples, depending on whether they're trying to shine them on, absorb them, or justify attacking them.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
11. More than that- Russia courted intolerant Christian Americans
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 10:35 PM
Aug 2017

Let me know if you need article links.
Or Google "American Putin Christian nationalists"

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
7. I remember that March story.
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 09:24 PM
Aug 2017

Not surprised those same pigs are still squealing on those same frequencies.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Suspect number 1!
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 09:35 PM
Aug 2017

Bannon is our worst nightmare in real time. Mercer's and their Analytical data mining company are our number 2 worst nightmare. As far as Dipshit Donnie goes,he will drown himself in his own Pitty Party.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
14. So, President Bannon is back?
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 11:04 PM
Aug 2017

Trump's "on vacation" (from WHAT, I don't know) and President Bannon is back in charge now? Or was he leading Trump around by the nostrils, because they're always so high on the air? If we keep pushing the "Bannon is the REAL President" meme, maybe Trump will fire HIM too! Bannon got a "time out" the last time that story circulated. Trump DID NOT find it amusing.

Why anyone would give Bannon an "ethics waiver" (what ethics?) for a right-wing propaganda source is VERY suspect!.

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