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The more Trump talks about his base the more it inures to our benefit. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 OP
There may be more Turbineguy Aug 2017 #1
I'm with you. We're allowing a political minority to dictate policy. no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #2
All due respect Cosmocat Aug 2017 #3
I am willing to run on the proposition in 2020 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #4
The problem is - evil liberal boogyman Cosmocat Aug 2017 #5
He won last time because he succeeded in making his opponent as unpopular as him. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #7
It plays well in western PA. Orrex Aug 2017 #6
"It plays well in western PA." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #8
Yeah, that's what I thought in 2016 Orrex Aug 2017 #11
If we don't pick a candidate DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #13
That means Sanders is out, first and foremost Orrex Aug 2017 #15
Comey and the MSM killed Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #16
To be fair, quite a few on DU were happy to help destroy her (nt) Orrex Aug 2017 #17
I have zero in common with Trumpoid Deplorables. Screw 'em. nt oasis Aug 2017 #9
Me neither. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #10
After taking a look at those assembled at Trump's latest rally, oasis Aug 2017 #12
Don't get me started. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #14
Chris Pratt (famous Hollywood Trumper) is getting separated from his wife (not so famous) Not Ruth Aug 2017 #18
The first step in solving a problem is admitting one exists. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #19

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
3. All due respect
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:11 AM
Aug 2017

but, this just runs counter to reality.

What 45 is doing is not new, republicans have been doing this for decades now - dividing this country AND it has "worked" increasingly well over time - they had more power in the states and DC than ever prior to November 8th.

It is fool hardy to dismiss what he is doing - he went from 1% support to winning the Presidency doing it, and if he were to magically disappear never to be seen again today, this process will still be in place, Rs will continue to foment hatred of the evil liberal boogyman.

There is NOT "more of us."

There are 1/3 of us - people of good conscience who care enough to vote and fight in other ways.

There are 1/3 of "them" and there are 1/3 of "those in between" who most often get sucked into the bullshit.

IF "WE" are going to win out, "we" need to be cognizant of that reality.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. I am willing to run on the proposition in 2020
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:21 AM
Aug 2017

I am willing to run on the proposition in 2020 that either you are an acolyte of Trump and a devotee of Trumpism or you are not. There is no data that suggest a a plurality, much less a majority, of Americans favor authoritarianism. Even the most generous estimates place the number of Americans who would vote for an authoritarian candidate at thirty percent. That's Trump's base, and even some of that base will abandon him if he doesn't deliver.

Folks ignore the fact that Hitler and Mussolini were reasonably popular figures because they delivered benefits for in groups and persecuted the out groups the in groups despised. That's Trumpism.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
5. The problem is - evil liberal boogyman
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:28 AM
Aug 2017

This is what is not factored in when people just focus on the ogre.

How did he win this last time?

Because there was a decent, highly capable and proven public servant who was made out to be worse than ogre.

THIS is the problem, it did not take 51% of the country to elect him.

It was only 1/3 of the country with 1/3 of the country sitting it out or voting for a third party.

You see it in social media, you hear it around you - the effect of decades of hate framing liberals has so damaged the brand that no matter how horrible 45 is, half the country either thinks he is 1,000 times better than any democrat or "they are both the same."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. He won last time because he succeeded in making his opponent as unpopular as him.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:35 AM
Aug 2017



Trump is a despicable and absolutely worthless human being who is willing to lie, cheat, and steal to achieve his goals. We need to find a man or woman who is up to the task. He or she must be as above suspicion as Caesar's wife.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
6. It plays well in western PA.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:32 AM
Aug 2017

Yeah, his approval rating is in the toilet, but so what?

His drooling acolytes would vote for him again in a heartbeat, and I see no reason to conclude that a majority of Republicans would vote against him in favor of a Democrat.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. "It plays well in western PA."
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:40 AM
Aug 2017

There's a whole world beyond western PA, thank God.

Since only 23% of Americans identify as Republican, 37% identify as independent, and 33% identify as Democratic his base isn't big enough to win a national election.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
11. Yeah, that's what I thought in 2016
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:48 AM
Aug 2017

Of course the world is larger than western PA (thank God, as you note), but it didn't take a whole lot more than western PA to swing the election toward the nation's asshole, however dubiously.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. If we don't pick a candidate
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:58 AM
Aug 2017

If we don't pick a candidate that Chump and the media can easily vilify we will be fine. Chump could never win a race against himself.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. Me neither.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:48 AM
Aug 2017

And being honest enough to say so is liberating and refreshing.

What decent people would want to be part of that cult?

oasis

(49,376 posts)
12. After taking a look at those assembled at Trump's latest rally,
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:57 AM
Aug 2017

I said to myself "no decent person would want to be associated with that bunch of dunderheads, no way no how".

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. Don't get me started.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 09:00 AM
Aug 2017

Or I will end up saying politically incorrect things about Mountain Dew and more people than incisors.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
18. Chris Pratt (famous Hollywood Trumper) is getting separated from his wife (not so famous)
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 10:18 AM
Aug 2017

The divide is definitely bigger than ever.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. The first step in solving a problem is admitting one exists.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 10:22 AM
Aug 2017

The Trumpers and anti-Trumpers are in a kind of a war for the soul of this nation. Hopefully the good guys win like they won the last civil War. If they lose it wasn't worth saving anyway.

I made my peace with this fact and rest comfortably.

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