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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:16 PM Aug 2017

Beyond coal miners, America's real jobs crisis

Situated just off Interstate 70 in Ohio’s Belmont County, between Pittsburgh and Columbus, the Ohio Valley Mall is well positioned for attracting drive-by shoppers and motorists in need of a pit stop. “We have a lot of people traveling through,” says Mark Thomas, the president of the county’s board of commissioners.

That geographical advantage hasn’t spared it from a wave of store closures, however. This year, Ohio Valley Mall has lost K-Mart, an Elder-Beerman department store, appliance dealer HHGregg, and MC Sports, a sporting goods chain that declared bankruptcy in February.

There’s some good news. The mall so far has kept both its Macy’s and its Sears, despite those two chains shuttering hundreds of stores nationwide. Replacements, including a Marshalls and a Levin Furniture, are moving in. Still, as a result, several dozen jobs in the suburban county have disappeared in the space of a few months. “We were hit pretty hard in the spring,” says Mike Schlanz, the director of Ohio Means Jobs, an occupational training and placement program in Belmont County. But he says that some of the surrounding areas, without highway access, have fared even worse.

A similar phenomenon is happening all across the country. An estimated 5,300 retail locations have closed through June 20, according to one estimate – nearly triple the rate from a year ago. That makes 2017 poised to surpass the number of closings in 2008, in the depth of the Great Recession.

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Beyond coal miners, America's real jobs crisis (Original Post) n2doc Aug 2017 OP
Bill Maher was right. Initech Aug 2017 #1
spot on! busterbrown Aug 2017 #2
Yup. I have noticed this as well. Initech Aug 2017 #3
America is absolutely saturated with consumer goods maxsolomon Aug 2017 #4
I absolutely hate to pay retail TBA Aug 2017 #5
Amazon has killed Maun Street more... busterbrown Aug 2017 #7
Meh, it all contributes maxsolomon Aug 2017 #9
I happen to be in that mall now, this is far worse than in 2008. I guess about 1/3 of the stores are doc03 Aug 2017 #6
"Shopping" is no longer a pastime SoCalDem Aug 2017 #8

Initech

(100,041 posts)
1. Bill Maher was right.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:23 PM
Aug 2017

America's job crisis isn't in coal, it's at Kohl's!

But the republicans and vulture capitalists are getting rich off shutting down all these stores, so who cares?

Initech

(100,041 posts)
3. Yup. I have noticed this as well.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:30 PM
Aug 2017

Well, when we can no longer afford to live, I know where we'll be seeking shelter!

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
4. America is absolutely saturated with consumer goods
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:31 PM
Aug 2017

and by and large, they don't wear out THAT fast. if you want to see busy retail, go to a thrift store. People with stagnant wages shop there.

Since the Mall killed small town Main Streets, I'm not going to cry to see them die.

TBA

(825 posts)
5. I absolutely hate to pay retail
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:50 PM
Aug 2017

I really needed a pitchfork to work my compost so I reluctantly went to Lowes. That damn thing cost almost 40.00. I make a pretty good income but I am single and support a disabled adult son.

I really do not know how families make it.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
9. Meh, it all contributes
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

Amazon's been at it for what, a decade?

Malls started after WW2, then Walmart replaced everything else. I've seen gutted Main Streets long before Amazon.

doc03

(35,299 posts)
6. I happen to be in that mall now, this is far worse than in 2008. I guess about 1/3 of the stores are
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 01:49 PM
Aug 2017

closed. The stores can't pay several thousand a month rent to the owners of the mall without raising prices to the point nobody
buys. About 20 years ago there was a Pondarosa in that mall that was paying $8000 a month, the mall raised the rent to $20000 and they
moved out. For the last 20 years that store has sat vacant. A local person made a deal with mall to put an ice cream store in. Well it did pretty
good so he was going to sign a lease. The mall wanted to up their take of 10% of sales to 25% plus rent and demanded he remodel the store and
sign a 10 year lease. He moved out back to his own store and ithe one in the mall sits empty.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
8. "Shopping" is no longer a pastime
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 04:44 AM
Aug 2017

People who work multiple jobs do not want to waste precious time wandering in and out of stores that pretty much all have the same stuff.. Teens no longer get summer jobs or after school jobs, so they don;t have money...

The "shopping generation" is getting old, and we don't have extra money to waste.

When malls were the "new thing", we were in our prime shopping years ..with young families and for many of us, we were stay-at-home Moms for at least 5-10 years, so we shopped.. Times have changed..and so have shopping habits..

I now shop at Amazon

I fact, just last week I bought an Italian stovetop from a company in Hartford Connecticut (it arrives on my front porch next Monday), and I bought an Italian sink from a distributor in Texas..It arrived in 4 days..The faucet came from Michigan.. We are getting rather frail in our old age, so I appreciate not having to mess with hauling heavy things, or having to pay extra to have stuff delivered.

The unfortunate thing is that so many lower paid folks will no longer have jobs in retail, but retail has always been subject to the whims of customers, and they (we) are fickle.. It sucks to be in retail and to have to plan what to buy, only to find out that people want a different style, color, whatever...and then have to mark stuff down so you have room for the next batch of stuff you ordered..

I prefer to buy local, but when you live in a small community , you don't have many choices..

We also buy from the many antique stores here as well. I got a gorgeous mahogany dresser (circa 1920) for $420...new ones are cheaply made and would have cost more..

Haven't been inside a mall in over 10 years..



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