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no_hypocrisy

(45,786 posts)
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 03:52 PM Aug 2017

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT

Former Gov. Don Siegelman will have his first public interview since his release this Wednesday afternoon, on Thom Hartmann's radio program. You can stream Thom's show on progressivevoices, Thom's website, and sometimes on youtube. The show broadcasts between 12 noon and 3:00.



WCPT (Chicago/820 AM) http://www.wcpt820.com/ (Central time 11AM to 2PM)

Progressive Voices http://www.progressivevoices.com/ (Click the turquoise circle with the white triangle)

Thom Hartmann/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbjBOso0vpWgDht9dPIVwhQ

Thom Hartmann Program https://www.thomhartmann.com/

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BIG ANNOUNCEMENT (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 OP
Fantastic!!!!!! Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #1
Hartmann gets money from RT, so theaocp Aug 2017 #2
Thom Hartmann mentioned Don Siegelman as a political prisoner every day no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #4
Damn, I forgot the sarcasm thingie theaocp Aug 2017 #8
Yes you did. I'll delete my post. elleng Aug 2017 #15
Soviet, like Russian, propaganda consisted of a number of things. Igel Aug 2017 #11
As Soviets themselves often put it: 'There's no Pravda in Izvestiya, and no Izvestiya in Pravda.' sandensea Aug 2017 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author elleng Aug 2017 #14
Great Sanity Claws Aug 2017 #3
Don Siegelman was released from prison in February but had a gag order no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #5
Sorry. Thom Hartmann is too self-interested to carry credibility today. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #6
I reiterate: he supported Don Siegelman when nobody else would. no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #7
so you don't take the time to watch and learn, I guess. elleng Aug 2017 #16
We have so few progressive radio shows and hosts, let's support them. Equinox Moon Aug 2017 #18
I Met Thom A Couple Of Times In Denver. He Is The Best Lefties Out There. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2017 #21
I've learned a lot from listening to Thom. He knows his stuff and is very smart. Equinox Moon Aug 2017 #22
I have listened to him in the past. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #23
So wonderful! lucca18 Aug 2017 #9
He was America's most prominent - but by no means sole - political prisoner. sandensea Aug 2017 #10
Wow malaise Aug 2017 #12
This is wonderful news PatSeg Aug 2017 #13
Someone who gets a paycheck from the Russian Government? I'll pass... brooklynite Aug 2017 #17
RT--no thanks Progressive dog Aug 2017 #20
DON'S ON THE PROGRAM TODAY, THIS AFTERNOON. USE LINKS GIVEN. no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #24

no_hypocrisy

(45,786 posts)
4. Thom Hartmann mentioned Don Siegelman as a political prisoner every day
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:26 PM
Aug 2017

while he was in prison, before and after RT.

I don't give a damn. He supported Don Siegelman when he was forgotten.

theaocp

(4,223 posts)
8. Damn, I forgot the sarcasm thingie
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:38 PM
Aug 2017

I actually believe in Hartmann, despite him taking money from Russia.

Igel

(35,199 posts)
11. Soviet, like Russian, propaganda consisted of a number of things.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:55 PM
Aug 2017

Some news was fake, presenting error in order to get people to support the state.

Some news was partial, leading people into error in order to support the state.

Some news was true, and suited the leaders, because it would lead people to support the state.

Some news simply didn't get reported.

Concerning the USSR, fake news was positive, true news was only positive, and partial or non-news screened out what was bad. Concerning the US, fake news was bad, true news was bad, and partial or non-news screened out what was positive. You read this kind of stuff for a decade and you become very, very averse to partial news or omitting crucial information. I hate being manipulated through language.

So you could read absolutely factually correct news about the US in Izvestiya in 1978. But it was either (a) negative news or (b) only the negative aspects of actual news.

The trick every New Soviet Man had to acquire fairly early on if he was to retain any cognitive ability was to separate out the three. "Oh, that's negative, it's likely true." No shortage of bad news. "Oh, that's negative, but, you know, something's missing. Let me fill in what's missing by the shape of the story around that void." And the fake news was sometimes subtle, sometimes outrageous.

RT does the same. And RT used to be cited here a lot before 2014, but only bad news stories about the US among those who believed in American exceptionalism--American was exceptionally bad. Most of the bad stories were true. Those that weren't true, then as in 2016, were usually sourced from some US publication or news purveyor ("news" should be in quotes here; some of the worst howlers from RT and "fake news" started in oddball American newspapers).

If you could read Izvestiya, RT's no biggie and you know how to take it. But knowing how to read Izvestiya and Pravda was an art.

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
19. As Soviets themselves often put it: 'There's no Pravda in Izvestiya, and no Izvestiya in Pravda.'
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 06:02 PM
Aug 2017

No truth in news; no news in truth.

Response to theaocp (Reply #2)

no_hypocrisy

(45,786 posts)
5. Don Siegelman was released from prison in February but had a gag order
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:27 PM
Aug 2017

as part of his parole which ends tomorrow.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
6. Sorry. Thom Hartmann is too self-interested to carry credibility today.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:32 PM
Aug 2017

He's a leftwing motor-mouth who cannot control his need to pontificate.

no_hypocrisy

(45,786 posts)
7. I reiterate: he supported Don Siegelman when nobody else would.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:34 PM
Aug 2017

Not Randi Rhodes. Not Ed Schultz. Not Norman Goldman. Not Michael Smerconish. Not Rachel Maddow.

Thom Hartmann has to be recognized if only for this alone.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
18. We have so few progressive radio shows and hosts, let's support them.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 05:54 PM
Aug 2017

I'm looking forward to tuning in. Thanks Thom!

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
21. I Met Thom A Couple Of Times In Denver. He Is The Best Lefties Out There.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 06:46 PM
Aug 2017

Thom is right on on the issues that we face. He understand better than anyone what happened to workers and how we got there. I worked for DOL for 24 years and watched the conditions evolve that let us to today.

Plus I could never understand why Obama let Siegleman stay in prison. He should have been pardoned and the Alabama shitheads prosecuted.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
22. I've learned a lot from listening to Thom. He knows his stuff and is very smart.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 10:53 PM
Aug 2017

I agree about Prez O not pardoning him Don. It didn't make any sense.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
23. I have listened to him in the past.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:33 AM
Aug 2017

I've moved on. I literally can't listen to his voice. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
10. He was America's most prominent - but by no means sole - political prisoner.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 04:54 PM
Aug 2017

Here's hoping he can testify against Turd Blossom, Bob Riley, Laura Canary, and the rest of the Klan sometime soon.

Progressive dog

(6,863 posts)
20. RT--no thanks
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 06:04 PM
Aug 2017

Four stories on Seth Rich murder conspiracy BS were on RT. Anyone who works for them can't be trusted.

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