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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC Military Analyst: If Trump Ordered a Nuclear Launch, Mattis Would Defy It
https://www.mediaite.com/online/msnbc-military-analyst-if-trump-ordered-a-nuclear-launch-mattis-would-defy-it/Its a question thats undoubtedly been on the minds of many Americans following President Donald Trumps fire and fury rant directed at the North Korean regime on Tuesday. The panel on Deadline: White House Wednesday offered their two cents. And during the discussion, Col. Jack Jacobs an MSNBC military analyst made a fairly stunning statement.
Jacobs, a Medal of Honor recipient, believes that Secretary of State James Mattis would break the chain of command, if it came down to that.
You think Mattis would defy an order? Deadline host Nicolle Wallace asked.
Yeah, I think he would, Jacobs said. The military analyst added, He would say, Im not doing it.'
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Editing to note the error there, Mediaite calling Mattis Secretary of State rather than Secretary of Defense (it was their mistake, not Jacobs's). The article at Mediaite still hasn't been corrected, though I noticed checking the comments that the error has been pointed out on their site.
RKP5637
(67,101 posts)dealt with. Humanity must be saved.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)RKP5637
(67,101 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,157 posts)We just have a Secretary of Exxon.
RKP5637
(67,101 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)It is Mattis's duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Polly Hennessey
(6,793 posts)Jim Mattis?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)And someone failed at proof reading their article, lol.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)The most he could do is resign in protest, but the POTUS orders' would still be carried out. I know you don't want to hear that but if POTUS gives orders, they will be carried out.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)If trump orders nukes without thoughtful review they will remove him as crazy
At least I hope so
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Hopefully, we won't have to find out.
They have to impeach and remove this demented fucker quickly!
Massacure
(7,516 posts)When the President orders a nuclear strike, the National Command Authority requires the Secretary of Defense to authenticate those orders. The Secretary of Defense supposedly only has the authority to authenticate the orders and not the authority to veto them. No one really knows what would happen if Mattis refused to truthfully authenticate the validity of a nuclear strike like he was supposed to.
One possibility is that Trump could fire Mattis and then order the Deputy Secretary of Defense (Patrick Shanahan) to authenticate the order. If Shanahan refused Trump could fire him and order the next person in the chain of command to authenticate them.
If Trump went ahead and fired Mattis, Mattis could always call Vice President Pence and plead with him to invoke the 25th amendment. If Pence agreed and successfully convinced eight of the 15 cabinet secretaries, he could send a note to the Speaker of the House (Paul Ryan) and Senate President Pro Tempore (Orrin Hatch) declaring himself as Acting President of the United States. I do not know if Mattis could be counted as one of the eight cabinet secretaries in that case though.
struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)and following an unlawful order is itself criminal
Mme. Defarge
(8,020 posts)this makes sense.
Best_man23
(4,897 posts)And has orders to call him immediately if the President starts looking to use the football.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)to beg him not to do trumps bidding?? Send pictures of our kids or SKoreans ? If that is what it takes I think it may be a better campaign than trying to get congress to do anything about him
We already know they are not in control anymore. If this is the guy who can stop trump at least with nukes, I don't know. Trump needs restraint he does have his own
Good sign Tillerson tried to quiet the war drums
Tillerson doesn't want to be SOS in this kind of conflict because Korea doesn't have oil
And NKs leader is just if not more unstable, but hopefully bluffing because NK is no match for the US . Other presidents successfully kept him at bay. This one is a perfect match for KJu
Aristus
(66,307 posts)If any service member is issued an unlawful order, he is required by the UCMJ to disobey it.
Waging aggressive war is against Federal law.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Maybe you can link to that "federal law"....
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The US has approved the UN Charter and thus has agreed that the UN is the arbiter of international law. Treaty commitments carry the weight of federal law. Thus, the various international agreements that are UN recognized like the various Geneva conventions and other international laws regarding unprovoked war and other war crimes could be considered to have the weight of federal law but that might be stretching it, a lot.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Service members tried to refuse orders on the grounds the war was "illegal". The SC said they had to follow orders.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Under the Geneva Conventions, Vietnam did not qualify as a war of aggression.
Saddam Hussein's unilateral invasion of Kuwait, on the other hand, most definitely qualified.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)then it is not a "war of aggression"? The UN did not sanction Vietnam. The UN Secretary General at the time, U Thant, repeatedly denounced it.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Article V
Clause 2
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Waging aggressive war is an international crime under the Geneva Accords and thus is illegal under the supreme law of the land.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)one of its cities is incinerated before it can respond? Sorry that argument would never fly in any court or anyplace else. I was certainly opposed to the Iraq War but even that was not successfully challenged anywhere.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)In this case, you're arguing that an international ethical code supersedes U.S. law, and I don't see that as applying here.
ecstatic
(32,673 posts)in which he threatened that the US would destroy North Korea AND it's people.
F*cking disgusting and evil.
What type of nation could threaten something like that and then wonder why other nations want to arm up? SMFH
David__77
(23,365 posts)Resignation would be ineffective.