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Women, this. Liberal men, listen up. (Original Post) Skidmore Aug 2017 OP
K&R mcar Aug 2017 #1
KnR sheshe2 Aug 2017 #2
K&R Coventina Aug 2017 #3
I'm a member of the groups everyone in the establishment wants to pander to ck4829 Aug 2017 #4
But the GOP....... SergeStorms Aug 2017 #36
Every so often it is ok to preach to the choir. gordianot Aug 2017 #5
I'm afraid that of late Skidmore Aug 2017 #8
Of course it's okay to preach to the choir. Aristus Aug 2017 #22
It's Easy to Forfeit Someone Else's Essential Rights in the Name of Party Unity dlk Aug 2017 #6
I voted for Hillary Clinton Snake Plissken Aug 2017 #7
Thank you. Skidmore Aug 2017 #9
amen...n/t bluecollar2 Aug 2017 #17
51% of white women voters, not 51% of white women. LisaM Aug 2017 #33
Yes. MontanaMama Aug 2017 #34
Amen dembotoz Aug 2017 #10
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2017 #11
K&R wryter2000 Aug 2017 #12
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2017 #13
K&R and amen. nolabear Aug 2017 #14
Republicans are already trying to take over control of our medical care... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #15
If these controlling old farts were denied TURPS when they needed them Lars39 Aug 2017 #16
I've said it before... Grins Aug 2017 #18
I am not even discussing this shit wih them anymore. BainsBane Aug 2017 #19
remember the flack some of us got on this very board for saying we would NOT support niyad Aug 2017 #30
I would never let any man decide on womens access to medical treatment... HopeAgain Aug 2017 #20
K&R. No, I wouldn't. And I can only assume that those advocating the embrace of anti-choice Aristus Aug 2017 #21
Wish I could read that Orrex Aug 2017 #23
America is the least progressive of the Western nations Bladewire Aug 2017 #24
Liberal men that think women should compromise on abortion DesertRat Aug 2017 #25
K & R. nt Heartstrings Aug 2017 #26
In 2017, how is this even a thing? BobTheSubgenius Aug 2017 #27
Give me an example illustrating this. MGKrebs Aug 2017 #28
Be a very vocal advocate for choice- work on liberal men you know to explain why it's important for bettyellen Aug 2017 #32
k and r niyad Aug 2017 #29
+ a thousand pnwmom Aug 2017 #31
That's perfectly stated. MontanaMama Aug 2017 #35

ck4829

(35,068 posts)
4. I'm a member of the groups everyone in the establishment wants to pander to
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:58 AM
Aug 2017

White, male, heterosexual, working class, etc. When people attempt to reach out to me, it's not called "identity politics", but I don't feel pampered at all... I've never been more anxious in my life actually, I've got a nephew who is medically vulnerable and I have loved ones who are in the groups that are fun to hate: GLBTQ, Muslim, refugee, etc; stop with the pandering and let's start working on out-organizing the people who agree to every single one of these images simultaneously.

So K&R, this is the dose of reality we need but not necessarily want.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
36. But the GOP.......
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 01:56 AM
Aug 2017

never wants you to forget that if you should suffer from erectile dysfunction, you'll be able to get all the boner pills you want from your government healthcare plan.

There, I bet you feel MUCH better now, don't you?

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
8. I'm afraid that of late
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 09:21 AM
Aug 2017

we've had some clinkers in the choir, or some trolls hiding under the risers. I'm all for big tent, but not for rights to person being taken away, voter rights being stolen, or civil rights being denied. We are Democrats. We don't do this.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
6. It's Easy to Forfeit Someone Else's Essential Rights in the Name of Party Unity
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 09:11 AM
Aug 2017

The challenging question is: Which of their own personal essential rights men would be willing to forfeit in the name of party unity?

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
7. I voted for Hillary Clinton
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 09:14 AM
Aug 2017

But 51% of White women did not, it seems that I care more about their reproductive rights and health care than they do.

No only would I not accept a deal where Republican legislators got to decide on their access to medical treatment for my body, I would not accept a deal where Republican legislators got to decide on their access to medical treatment for anyone else's body.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
15. Republicans are already trying to take over control of our medical care...
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:10 AM
Aug 2017

With the key help of a couple of Repub women senators, they were fought off this time. I want more Dems in Congress for the next round.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
16. If these controlling old farts were denied TURPS when they needed them
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:10 AM
Aug 2017

they might understand. Younger men, too.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
18. I've said it before...
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:17 AM
Aug 2017

Year ago, after seeing the endless streams of legislation coming from Republicans (and far too many Democrats), I tried to think of a simple sentence that would address the role any legislature should have in the regulation of health care if I were president or in Congress. I came up with:

"What goes on between a patient and a doctor is exclusive to the patient and the doctor and shall not be abridged."

A third party can have no say in the matter. At all.

Both men and women have the common sense to know their own bodies, health and, with their doctor, can come up with whatever is needed. If the patient does not like the remedy, they are free to go to another doctor. In fact, doctors frequently tell their patients they are free and urged to get second opinions. For "small government" Conservatives, that should be knee-jerk instinctive.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
19. I am not even discussing this shit wih them anymore.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:33 AM
Aug 2017

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It looks to me like some are deriving far too much pleasure from threatening women's rights and by extension their lives. Why would I want to discuss or cooperate with anyone who treats my life rights as q pawn in a power play, who treats my life with contempt? I will not cooperate with them or discuss the issue further. I fill fight, by any means necessary. Let them try to reduce us to second class citizenship. They won't do it in our party, not and expect to win a fucking thing. Let them take their contempt of women to the GOP.

niyad

(113,275 posts)
30. remember the flack some of us got on this very board for saying we would NOT support
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 02:04 PM
Aug 2017

an anti-choice dem?

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
20. I would never let any man decide on womens access to medical treatment...
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:37 AM
Aug 2017

I could not call myself a liberal man if I would do otherwise.

Aristus

(66,325 posts)
21. K&R. No, I wouldn't. And I can only assume that those advocating the embrace of anti-choice
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:41 AM
Aug 2017

candidates are right-wing concern-trolls. Even if they aren't, they carry just as little weight with me as if they were.

 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
24. America is the least progressive of the Western nations
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 10:55 AM
Aug 2017

We need to fix that. Electing more women is the key to us evolving to be a stronger nation.

Women are the key decision makers in the majority of American homes, common sense tells us this should be the case in government as well. Women's health is a female issue. Men's health is a male issue, common sense tells us lawmakers of the same sex should be making policy on those prospective issues.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
25. Liberal men that think women should compromise on abortion
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 11:16 AM
Aug 2017

"Liberal men that think women should compromise on abortion: Can you name a civil right of yours you'd be willing to put on bargaining table?"


BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
27. In 2017, how is this even a thing?
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 11:30 AM
Aug 2017

For argument's sake, let's say the modern women's movement has been beating their collective head against this wall for 50 years. This is as far as we've come? It's disgraceful....yet, so 'par for the course.'

I never had a moment's doubt about equality, even when I was a little kid. One of the smartest kids in the grade was in my class - Caroline Southcott - and the second-best baseball player in the school was Beth Parkinson. Clearly, they made an impression on me, because I remember them from Grades 1 through 3.

The point being, one has to be taught this "pecking order" paradigm, and we've wasted untold human potential already. Let's not hold our species back, especially now, while we're navigating a treacherous part of our existence.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
28. Give me an example illustrating this.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 12:29 PM
Aug 2017

Like this? So I go to the voting booth and I see two candidates, both of whom, let's say, believe vasectomies are wrong. I am supposed to what? Not vote for either?

I think there may be two different issues here. I can be a liberal male who believes in a woman's right to choose, but when I go to vote and in theory neither candidate advocates that, I feel like I can still pick one and not give up my belief in choice. I don't think not voting helps anything. One of those two candidates is going to end up winning and people died to give me the right to help make that choice.

I can be an advocate for Choice and do everything I can to try to make sure a scenario like this doesn't happen, including criticizing my Party or anyone else who is anti-choice, but IF that scenario in the voting booth does occur, I feel like I should cast a vote anyway. By that time the battle has been lost for that day and it will have to be fought again tomorrow.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
32. Be a very vocal advocate for choice- work on liberal men you know to explain why it's important for
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 04:23 PM
Aug 2017

society. Because the ones who want to back burner this- they're not so receptive from hearing from us women. You can help with that. Too few men do.

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