Donald Trump is magnitudes worse than George Walker Bush.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

George Walker Bush was fundamentally misguided and his flawed judgment had tragic consequences but he was not a fundamentally evil man. Donald Trump has a black heart and a vacant soul. He is they type of guy who would get two homeless men to fight with the promise of fifty dollars to the victor and then not pay him. Yeah, he's that guy.

George Bush didn't nor run on a campaign of division and threaten to throw his opponents in jail. George Bush didn't try to separate whites from blacks and browns, straights from glbtq people, rural from urban, and Christians from Jews and Muslims.

If he thought he could get away with it he would turn the Asian continent into a radioactive wasteland to distract people from his, his family , and his associates crimes.

He is a Golem. He isn't human.

[Botany]

1. "... but he was not a fundamentally evil man."

Yes he was because he lied to start an unneeded war that has killed > 2,000,000,
created ISIS, and caused a massive refugee crisis.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I couldn't disagree more with the proposition that Trump and Bush have equal moral compasses.

I am not sure that I would even agree with the proposition that Trump and Charlie Manson have equal moral compasses.

[ollie10]

12. Yes he lied to get us into an unneeded war.....

And yes, the Iraq War created ISIS and caused a massive refugee crisis and incredible destruction and death.

But was Bush evil or used? Was it his idea, or was he used by the neo-cons, Cheney, etc?

On a personal level, he at least looks likable enough. I know, that doesn't bring back any of the dead.

But Trump is on an entirely different plane. I agree with the poster who said Trump would incinerate the Korean Peninsula if he could get away with it. It would not even cause him any sadness, let alone guilt. The only thing that matters is if it would help Donald J Trump personally. Period. A million or more deaths....who cares? A refugee crisis? who cares? Environmental catastrophe? Nuclear winter? Fallout? Not his concern nor that of his royal family. Economic devastation for the region? As long as it doesn't hurt the Trump businesses, who cares? So, yes, Trump is the more evil of the two.

I would not be surprised if we found out months from now that this whole thing was a hoax. It sure as hell distracts attention away from his low poll numbers, and the criminal investigation. If we get enough war fever, his polling will go up. And then....after it blows over,....he looks like a hero. Then he can pay Kim "smart cookie" Un back.

[BannonsLiver]

16. And it wasn't just the war

9.11 happened on his watch.

He botched the Katrina response.

His policies also helped crash the economy in 2008.

Trump though, is a nasty man who has brought out the worst in America, inciting racists to come out from under their rocks and try and enter the mainstream. That's his principle sin. So far.

I see good points in both this OP and the other that said W was worse.

[Botany]

20. "9.11 happened on his watch"

And he and or his adminstration had over 70 warnings about it
and yet he did nothing except for having the White House staff
tell the people like Richard Clark, the NSA, and the CIA not
to leave any paper trails in the summer of 2001.

And Dick Cheney's outing of Val Plame as a CIA agent no doubt
led to many deaths of her contacts.

******

Trump used to read copies of Hitler's speeches (1st wife divorce testimony)
and he is a bat shit crazy con man who is owned by Russia and gets his
advice from Bannon and Gorka and he is evil but w put in charge of mine
safety in America an exec. from Massey Coal so the agency did nothing
about the Big Branch Mine, in WV exploded killing a bunch of people and
don't forget that w & Cheney's war for oil in Iraq caused a lot of cases of
brain cancer (KBR burn pits) that killed good people like Beau Biden and
my neighbor's son.

Trump would not be POTUS now if not for some of the help he got from
bush and company such as HAVA .... help america vote act ..... and Citizens
United that allowed billions in dark money (no doubt some from Russia) to
pour into our elections.

[LisaM]

26. Trump would not be POTUS if it weren't for W.

I mean, to me, if just boils down to that. Bush was careless.

[sandensea]

35. Very conveniently careless, I'd say.

"Sometimes I feel this bad about what we did." "That much, huh?"

[certainot]

41. trump would not be potus if liberals didn't keep ignoring talk radio, which

made bush and iraq possible, and now trump.

[certainot]

40. lets not lose sight of the real problem

a president can lie and he can follow other's lies and liars. bush was a liar and he likely knew he was lying but he was too stupid to realize chenney and co were softpeddling the consequences. chenney and rumsfeld and others were more involved in manufacturing the lies to profit the MIC and sell their agenda.

trump's on another scale

but none of it was possible without republicon talk radio to sell those lies to the public over many months of unchallenged repetition.

here's how they sold it: at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

and selling the next war.

our protests should have and still should include talk radio stations and the universities that broadcast sports on hundreds of them, helping them bring in advertisers.

it's the same now, the new talk radio president, who studied talk radio in 2014 before the primaries, riding 1500 radio stations which will keep lying because liberals ignore it - to enable trump and the republicans to lie us into another war

[bdamomma]

2. George Bush

started a war on a lie with Iraq, will don the con also start a war, since he loves to seek revenge on anyone and who continually shows himself as a bully.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I have trans and Muslim friends.

Trump implied the former were lesser human beings and the latter were inherently evil. You can't get more fucked up than that.

[busterbrown]

5. I basically agree..

Bit if you were a parent of one of the 4800 who died and understood the true facts behind unnecessary calamity..
I think they would want to see Bush in Jail..

[Orsino]

6. W is the shaky, rotting platform on which the Trump campaign and Administration were built.

I believe that W had a sense of personal decency that Trump utterly lacks, and that our democratic society was able to survive the many abuses of the Cheney Adminstration.

But the toxic masculinity with naked disdain for women and minorities, the perverted Christianity helping to prop it up? That has a familiar stench. Trump may not get too many killed in combat, but he has signed off on killing millions for profit.

It's hard to say who's worse, but Trump would have been impossible without W.

[busterbrown]

8. GOP understood,,,

that if Bush entered Iraq....The Right Wing Money Whores could get any Bill they wanted passed into Law.

[Orsino]

9. Yep. The purpose of a modern war zone is unregulated, undocumented capitalism. n/t

[walkingman]

7. Trump is just about everything disgusting you can say about someone but

words do not have the same effect as deeds. Bush should be in prison for "Crimes against Humanity". His actions were pure evil and changed the world in a negative way possibly forever.

Trump might prove to be worse in the future but we can't predict the future.

[July]

10. Disagree.

Bush's war of choice, based on lies and the exploitation of Americans' fears after 9/11, led to many deaths, of both Iraqis and of American and coalition fighters. It left Iraq in ruins, displaced hundreds of thousands, destroyed or allowed the looting of the Iraqi cultural patrimony, led to torture, extraordinary rendition, and the warehousing (and much worse) of people in Guantanamo who languished or still languish there without recourse of law. It created the animosity and opportunity for the rise of ISIS.

He came into office by cheating and bullying (Brooks Brothers riot) and immediately lied about the Clintons' departure from the White House. And that was just the start of the propaganda he catapulted.

I don't have enough time to cover everything he and his henchman did or didn't do, e.g., Katrina response, but his was an administration of lies, graft, and law-breaking.

Bush's cutesy public face is different from Trump's egotistical one, but they are just different faces of evil. And Bush has actually caused more deaths and maimings. His bike rides with wounded troops are sickening and don't whitewash his sins and crimes.

[QC]

11. Lately, I've taken to thinking of George W. as "Professor Bush."

He really does look like a scholar next to Trump.

[Dem_4_Life]

15. YES!!!! Well said.

Sad but very true.

I never would have thought this day would come that GWB would look like a scholar.

[pnwmom]

13. Michelle Obama obviously agrees with you.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/25/michelle-obama-gives-george-w-bush-a-big-hug-nation-goes-wild/21478886/

[leftstreet]

14. Not sure citizens in Iraq would agree with that

Or most anywhere the Illegal War displaced, and continues to displace, our brothers and sisters of the peon class

[dalton99a]

17. W was a murderous idiot, but he never tried to kill millions of Americans

by taking away their healthcare

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Nor did he get in a dick measuring match with a holed up lunatic armed to the teeth.

[40RatRod]

29. GWB and Darth Vader were responsible for killing thousands of our BEST young men and women...

...as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens. Every single US and Iraqi death since GW invaded Iraq until TODAY are their sole responsibility.

[Weekend Warrior]

49. Thank you. Nt

[Bradshaw3]

18. Drumpf is much worse as a human being

Bush did much worse things as prez but given time dump will surpass him. Agree with the op that he is evil and vacant.

[Expecting Rain]

21. No comparison.

I agree with the OP.

I also disagree with some here that the Iraq war was started on a "lie." I think President Bush and his administration believed Saddam had WMDs and that wasn't an especially difficult conclusion to reach under the circumstances (including Saddam's gassing of his Kurdish civilians with nerve gas and the use of gas against the Iranians.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I think the most charitable interpretation is he wanted to believe it.

[Alice11111]

38. Agree. However, W has a human soul. W wasn't a racist.

Part of W's was ignorance & bravado. He thought he would bounce into Iraq and do what Pappy Bush did in Kuwait, only better. He didn't realize the complexity of the situation or the potential consequences. On him, that he listened to Cheney & others, but he was all go. Colin Powell and others tried to tell him for awhile. Then, Powell & others were shut out. I'll never forget listening to Powell deliver his compelling presentation to the UN, with photos. I was thinking, why are you selling out? Are you trying to get back inside. He now says he regrets it, of course. Still, GWB looks like a stable reasonably intelligent decent human, in retrospect, compared to this dangerous, mentally ill, sociopath.

Bush was a true believer in his religion, an evangelical
( hypocrisy in his war, sure, but he really believed) partly as a result of AA, and recovery, I believe. He stood up for Muslims after 9/11 (maybe because he didn't want to risk relations with the Saudis), but he was clear in his message. DT never got religion in his life, which would have been OK, except he "got religion" big time, when he ran for Pres. He attacked Obama with the birthism, and he didn't even believe it himself. He attacked Obama for being a Muslim, which didn't even matter if he was, but he stirred anti Muslim hate. He never believed anything he said about Obama, IMO. He may believe it now, as he seems to gravitate in his beliefs to what makes his crowds roar. He is obsessively carrying out his vendetta & will not stop himself, until he has undone everything Obama accomplished.

He has shamed our country by expelling kind people and breaking up families. His wall is a symbol of hate and racism, besides the fact that the money needs to be spent on healthcare. Mexico has been our passive ally for generations & people go back and forth over the border peacefully, but he has relentlessly leveled racists attacks upon our friend, beginning with his descent down the escalator, in his opulent tower.

I need to add, Syria. He has condemned innocent people, including children, because they are war refugees, and condemned their religion. We are no longer a beacon of democracy, taking in refugees, whose lives are shattered by no fault of their own. In many cases, we were the catalyst that shattered their country, Iraq, not that it was ever a haven of democracy. We condemn followers of a religion, and then we expect it's followers to fight our wars. Once we have them committed with their lives, we abandon them.

I get his negotiating style. Start with the outrageous. The other side immediately goes to the middle. He makes up and splits the difference. Great for real estate, maybe. For a leader of the free world, he is nothing but the worst kind of bully.

Unfortunately, while most of us thought he wouldn't last long after his descent down the escalator, and time after time, we thought he could not survive some outrageous statement or act, it seems now that he may only be getting started.

The most hopeful thing I have heard is that many in his administration, the military, & Congress are starting to ignore him, when he is particularly outrageous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Trump has made me loathe the people who put him into office.

I don't like that about myself and I am mad at Trump for making me feel that way.

It's personal for me. I have Muslim friends, Mexican friends, and trans friends and he put them in danger. By devaluing trans people he helps create an environment where some miscreant thinks it's ok to beat them up or worse.

[Alice11111]

42. Truly.

[lpbk2713]

43. Dumbya was a dumbass but at least he had a bit of political acumen.

I can't think of one damn thing asshole Trump has going for him.

[Alice11111]

54. I read your post a couple of hours ago, & I decided to try &think of something. I Couldn't.

[July]

34. It was a lie.

Look back at what Blix and his team said about WMDs at the time.

Bush and his team wanted to invade Iraq, and the reasons were made up later.

In addition, Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, there were no potential "mushroom clouds" (see Condoleezza Rice), and Bush's stated wish to be a war president dovetailed perfectly with PNAC's "new Pearl Harbor" wet dream.

[Bradical79]

47. The evidence was manufactured

and false stories were planted in the media. The Iraq connection with 9-11 was blatantly false too.

[pansypoo53219]

23. as a human, yes. W more damage so far.

[Raster]

24. W. had eight long, miserable years to fuck things up...

...tRump* is already doing astounding "well" in less than one. tRump* unchecked for another seven years could conceivably mean the end of civilization as we know it. No, I am not kidding.

[smirkymonkey]

25. This!

[world wide wally]

27. It boils down to this: They are both assholes, but Trump is a bigger one.

[syringis]

28. Take a walk...

...in any National Park, you will have a great chance to meet a unicorn.

Try to find worse than fakident, in any manner...good luck.

Oh visit us time to time to keep us informed of your researches

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I'm in America

I'm in America. Trump is in our faces every day , attacking a different person or group Trump is making Americans hate one another. He is tearing the social fabric of the nation. We will never come together after this. That is unforgivable.

[syringis]

36. Nope

I avoid hopless cases

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I'm in America

I'm in America. Trump is in our faces every day , attacking a different person or group. Trump is making Americans hate one another. He is tearing the social fabric of the nation. We will never come together after this. That is unforgivable.

[syringis]

44. I know

I'm really aware of what you are undergoing.

He is saccaging all American values, hurting you inside and outside.

I'm not the only one, we are numerous in Europe to feel sorry for you.

My best wishes to see you soon get rid of this ambulant disaster.

[Doreen]

30. He is worse than Reagan.

[NewJeffCT]

31. They're both terrible

but, I believe Bush knew his limitations, which is why he brought Cheney aboard. Bush realized that he's not the the brightest bulb out there. Trump believes he's the smartest guy in the room ("I'm smarter than the generals" or "I know more about ISIS than the generals...&quot

Bush also knew when he got his ass kicked - when Democrats had a landslide win in 2006 and took back the House, he was gracious in defeat and I think he was genuinely proud to be the first president to introduce somebody as "Madam Speaker" to Nancy Pelosi.

If Trump loses bigly in 2018, we'll hear him shrieking that it was all rigged and that the "fake news" media was against him, and that Pence and McConnell didn't support him. It will never be his fault.

[Alice11111]

45. Yes, I agree. W at least knew he needed brighter people

around him. He just got the wrong ones. He acknowledged it, much too late. DT is out of touch.

[Doug the Dem]

32. Agreed

To me, W's problem was that he was stupid and thus easily manipulated by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.

[Alice11111]

46. Yeah, he got it too late.

[Weekend Warrior]

48. Golem seems to be the word of the day.

I think Bush was a bit more than misguided. He knew exactly what Powell was doing with his Iraq stunt.

I do agree that Trump is worse but their is no reason to rewrite history.

[Bradical79]

50. Potentially

So far he has lacked the competence, leadership ability, intellegence, or focus to be "worse". North Korea could put him over the top soon though.

His is by far the most corrupt.

[Vetteguy]

51. Bush raised two thoughtful and caring daughters

He does have that going for him. Plus he loves dogs. Trump doesn't even have that.

[bluepen]

52. I agree with the OP, and largely for the reason you gave.

My mind went first to how different the kids are.

And I don't know how anyone can even come close to saying GWB was worse. For all the bad he did (and yes, that matters) there was never any question about his emotional maturity. THAT is the most dangerous thing about Trump because it factors into everything. Like, say, feeling as though he has to prove something and doing it with a nuclear strike. Just damn horrifying.

[C_U_L8R]

53. At least Bush is a better artist

Self- Portrait by Donald J Trump

[Blue Owl]

55. At least GWB wasn't sending out insipid tweets 24/7

n/t

[JI7]

56. one of the most important and positive things Bush did was Embrace the Muslim Community after 9/11

things did get ugly with muslims and those who "look" like muslims being attacked. but it could have been far worse. Bush supported them as equal americans to himself who was a christians.

just think how things would have been if Trump or some similar bigot was president at the time.

he didn't try to kick out or ban people who are different.

the iraq war was fucked up . but even then it wasn't done to steal their oil or to enrich himself . Trump currently is trying to profit himself with it.

of course the best thing would have been if Gore had become President and/or Kerry 4 years later.