Lunch with a Trump fan

[mreilly]

Last edited Thu Aug 10, 2017, 07:11 PM - Edit history (2)

Had lunch with a Trump supporting friend today. What I'm about to tell you is not based on the desire to vent, but to illustrate what we're up against.

According to my illustrious friend:

Trump is doing a wonderful job and anyone or anything which indicates otherwise is just fake news.

Trump is draining the swamp.

The stock market is booming thanks to Trump (oh, but if it tanks I can guarantee we can cue the moaning about Obama from this crowd in 3, 2, 1....)

Nobody anywhere has any valid reason to oppose or dislike Trump, period. Not possible. Nope.

Nobody has ever proven Trump is a racist.

Nobody has ever proven Trump is a crook, and never mind all the contractors he stiffed (they deserved it) the suckers bilked via Trump university (he had no knowledge of it) or the shady business deals (that's just being a good businessman).

Trump being photographed with LGBT folks during the campaign last year proves he's on their side and there's just no chance he was trying to court them solely to get their vote.

The allegations of sexual assault against Trump were just lies from people paid off by the Democrats.

Trump bragging about grabbing women by the genitalia was just "locker room talk." Guarantee if it hadn't been caught on tape he would have claimed it was just bullshit, period.

Even if Trump was a philanderer or a sexual assaulter that's just fine because Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton, so apparently Trump can do whatever the hell he likes including rape and abuse women and that's OK. I told him: "Bill Clinton's affair was consensual. Trump grabbing women by the genitalia is definitely NOT consensual." No difference.

Putting his children into positions of power for which they are unqualified is perfectly fine.

Bragging about not paying taxes is just fine because that's what smart business people do. Never mind the fact we're left to pay our fair share while Trump gloats how smart it is not to pay taxes (guess that makes us suckers).

Not releasing his tax returns is perfectly fine and there's just no chance he is hiding something. Hillary didn't release hers either ("Yes she did," I said. "Google it on your phone right now." He made no attempt to do so, and had I done it for him he'd have just insisted it was fake news).

CNN is 100% liberal and anti-Trump, and only reports mean things about him since they hate him. If he saved a puppy from being run over by a garbage truck they'd refuse to report that.

Launching a war against North Korea is just fine because Kim Jong-un is crazy and deserves it.

The allegations of Russian collusion are all propaganda, but oh, let's go investigate Hillary again even though she was cleared time and time again, because clearly the investigations were rigged.

Trump's behavior is not that of a sniveling little toddler throwing a fit because he can't have ice cream for dinner, but is perfectly statesmanlike and gentlemanly.

When my friend started in with the horseshit about the Clintons murdering people I just rolled my eyes and said: "OK, enough is enough. Change the fucking channel. We're talking about the weather now."

I tell you this not to enrage you but to show you that we're up against people with an entire alternative universe carefully rigged so that their version of reality is the only one that exists. All evidence that contradicts their beliefs is dismissed as fake or a smear campaign. Anyone promoting any such evidence is dismissed as "a biased liberal spreading lies" even if they have been respected Republicans for decades. If Trump is shown to have been guilty of crimes associated with the Russians or elsewhere they simply will never believe it.

I was going to ask my friend: "What would it take for you to realize that Trump is a liar, a crook, and a sick old pervert?" I didn't bother because I knew the answer already: "Nothing. It's not possible." Unemployment soars? Obama's fault. The economy tanks? Obama's fault. Los Angeles gets nuked by North Korea? Obama's fault. Obama's fault. Obama's fault. Obama's fault. And if all else fails, "Well, crooked Killary would still have been worse."

This is why Trump's approval rating will never fall below 30%. And he knows if he plays the victim to his base they'll just eat it up. If he gets removed from power they'll go to their graves insisting it was a frame-up by sore losers.

It would be easy to just dismiss my friend as just an idiot or an asshole, but he's neither one. He's an otherwise smart guy who has personally gone to bat for me many times, and I suppose he sees me as "one of the few decent left-leaning types," probably because I like meat, guns and sports and don't drink lattes or drive a Volvo so that must make me a real American. I feel outraged for his being brainwashed by these disgusting media outlets who insist it's everyone ELSE doing the brainwashing.

So if you're wasting time trying to reach these people, don't. Focus on the undecided who outnumber them by 3-1. And take my advice, when they start in on politics just roll your eyes and tell them to "Change the fucking channel." Literally and metaphorically, because Fox News is a cancer of the brain.

Oh, and by the way, you know why I let my friend ramble on as long as I did? Because he was buying the lunch AND the beers!

[drray23]

1. not impressed.

Personally I have friends whom I share values with. I would never associate with the likes of what you are describing.

It would be easy to just dismiss my friend as just an idiot or an asshole, but he's neither one. He's an otherwise smart guy who has personally gone to bat for me many times,

I am sorry but I form my opinion based on evidence. Somebody who is that brain washed is neither nice or smart. You might want to ask yourself why he went to bat for you before . Was it in his interest to do so ?

[StopTheNeoCons]

21. 100% agree with you on this, /

[jrthin]

29. Agree fully!!! nt

[LenaBaby61]

51. "Not impressed."

Same here.

I have friends who gave up all communication with their racist relatives/friends all across this country post this last GE, and they're all telling me that they are the better off for it. ALL of them. They all tell me that they don't need their relatives/friends racism, hatred, negativity and toxicity in their lives.

I AGREE 100% with them

Personally, I could never be friends with a person (Even if they buy dinner etc. or if they went to bat for me) IF they're okay with racism, birtherism, sexism, cutting veteran's benefits, cutting out or slashing Meals on Wheels, and with over 22 million people losing their health care which could lead to them or a family member DYING, or lead to them losing their homes due to HIGH health care/medical costs, or with families who have disabled children who would more than likely have had their health care, care etc. cut OFF & OUT.



Your friend's president said stop using drugs to kids because they're bad. I've heard that before with Nancy Reagan. And, when he tried to speak about opioid abuse, he actually said that they were it's coming from China and across the border in Mexico--nothing about doctors here over-prescribing and dispensing it to their patients like candy. Lord have mercy. Your friend's president could possibly start a nuclear WAR which could kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people over THERE. That POS tRumputin said it's OKAY to rough up suspects, and we know black males are being murdered in this country like they're Cheetahs in one of Beavis & Butt heads canned shoots, and the police are usually EXCUSED and get away with it, like Beavis & Butt head.



No offense OP, but no dinner/drinks or even going to bat for me is worth me losing my dignity. I'm glad that I don't know ignorant fools like your friend, whose really not THAT smart believing in what he believes IN. I feel SO sorry for those TRAPPED in states where people like your friend live who don't agree with him.

I'm happy NO family member I have is a tRumputin lover (I'm lucky 'bout that ), and I choose to NOT associate myself with folks like your friend.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

61. I'm with you.

Unfortunately, almost all of my aunts, uncles, cousins are RWers. But, I never was close to most of them, so never seeing them again is not much of a loss.

My parents are both solid Dems. Of my 4 siblings, 2 are liberals. One goes for some RW BS, but didn't vote for Trump & thinks he's an ass.

That leaves my self-described "staunch Republican" sister. That which makes her a "staunch Republican," was always a barrier to our being especially close, but we got along well enough in our adult years the few times a year family gatherings brought us together.

Now, knowing she voted for Trump, and the fact that her new husband is an RWNJ, I'm hoping there will be few occasions I'll have to spend time with them. My husband and I already had to make excuses for why our band could not play her college graduation party (which would have required an out of town trip) as they wanted. I'd rather not have to come right out with the truth, but will if pressed.

Anyone who can support modern day Republicans, especially now, is just not a person I care to spend time with.

[Gabi Hayes]

62. Please just link to pics like murder of innocent creatures

Thx

[LenaBaby61]

65. Please just link to pics like murder of innocent creatures.

Sorry to have offend, and sorry if I broke any guidelines with my post here @ DU. I love animals and don't eat animal flesh or buy anything made from animal pelt, fur, feathers, wool etc. I've been a vegan for very long stretches of my life since high school 1979. It was a very difficult process learning to not eat meat and having to eat cleanly, change my diet around so drastically but it's all been very much worth being a strict vegan since 1989. NO dairy, NO meat, no purchases of animal skins, feathers, etc. I buy plant fabrics, man-made materials, polyesters, wool alternatives etc.). Anyway, I was saying to the OP who said that his friend is usually a smart, intelligent nice person etc., who bought him dinner/drinks but that in sacrifice he had to put up with his friend's enthusiastic pro-tRumputin BS during dinner/drinks. I was illustrating how I don't think that one can be THAT nice and intelligent in supporting a racist, birthing, sexist tReasonous pig like tRump and his two tReasonous, rotten, murderous sons who do canned shoots. Also, I was making a point that African-American males are being murdered at an alarming rate by some not so good policemen who are getting away with it, just like his two sons get away with canned shoots (murders) of innocent creatures. At 56, I've never had one bad dealing with any policeman even though a minority (Native American/African-American), and even having had many interactions with policemen in my 56 years. Friends/family members have over the decades, but not me. I know all policemen are NOT bad, and that we do need police protection. A person who can co-sign with what tRumputin said about roughing up suspects isn't a nice, good, or intelligent person IMHO.

I also couldn't accept that type of person bringing in such huge doses of toxicity, hatred, etc. into my life for dinner and drinks. He is a disaster. He's tReasonous, lazy, hateful, ignorant, a pathological liar, dangerous and mentally unstable.

[ProfessorPlum]

69. judge much?

[Vetteguy]

2. No friend is worth that

The morale indecency of those people. Might as well be a full member of the KKK with sheets and all. Rather spend time with an dog,cat,horse or goldfish.

[gratuitous]

11. Maybe it was really good beer?

But yeah, it would be tough not to say a whole lotta things. Maybe just drop one little indisputable truth nugget, say, about Trump University: If Trump didn't bilk anyone, why did he agree to pay $25 million? That's a smidgen more than nuisance value.

[StopTheNeoCons]

22. Vetteguy, 100% agree with you

[packman]

3. Sorry - To Listen to that Shit

It would have to be a prime rib lunch with imported beer. Even then----

[murielm99]

4. Sorry, but I have

broken with anyone I know who supports 45. I don't care if they are family or anyone else. This is too important to the survival of the human race.

[AJT]

5. And I'm sure there were a lot of Nazis that were otherwise nice intelligent people,

It didn't stop them from killing people who they considered "inferior" or "different".

The 45 base are delusional and dangerous.

[Leith]

6. I Couldn't Do It

My cast iron stomach would have got rusty.

[Glimmer of Hope]

7. You can't reason with those who believe we are the one who are brainwashed and out of touch with

reality. Maybe an intervention similar to what is used on cult members might work.

Glad you got some free beer out of that!

[PoiBoy]

8. Thank you for posting this...

...your experience perfectly illustrates how deep of a hold the propaganda machine has on many unsuspecting citizens...

In his last interview with Bill Maher on "Real Time", President Obama said.. "The truth needs eyeballs.." and I totally agree.. the truth is being denied and twisted until it's unrecognizable... the "media" in this country is now a disgrace...

[hatrack]

9. He was buying, and it was way, way too expensive . . .

Your patience far exceeds my own.

[wryter2000]

10. What I've said for a long time

They come to the argument with an entirely different set of facts than the rest of us. If I believed half the stuff they believe, I'd be a right winger, too. Maybe I couldn't go far enough to love Trump, but I could sure love Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Do we have a shudder smilie?

[not fooled]

33. Here you go

[wryter2000]

39. Thanks

I'd forgotten that one.

[Moostache]

12. No friend I have ever had would hold those views and still count me as "friend"...

That sounds exactly like my asshole brother in law and his crowd of silver spoon fuck face dildos...

Here's the scoreboard:

Fox News = true
Rush and Sean = patriots
RWNJ radio = reliable
Jeebus = real (for them) fake for anyone suggesting Jesus did not love money or hypocrites

LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE = fake

The total inability of these morons to identify the fact that it is NOT EVERYONE ELSE, IT'S THEM!!! is astounding. When you have a single source for anything, the smart money is on a skeptical outlook not slavish devotion...

Good luck with that "friend", we all must make our own decisions on who we associate with and what that ultimately expresses about what he truly believe in and defend. Best wishes to you on that...hope the meal and beer is worth continued association with, uh, that kind of unthinking and pervasive hate.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. I don't think my stomach could take it. Don't know how you could eat lunch.

[Downtown Hound]

14. The one Trump supporting friend I had doesn't call me anymore, and I'm fine with that

Probably because I told him he was a brainwashed idiot. I don't mince words with these people, and generally people that stupid are not people I want to be friends with anyway. The only reason why I would even consider hanging out with him again is because I like fucking with his rather simplistic mind (he used to claim that McDonald's hamburgers were made out of cow eyeballs, because, as he says, he saw it on the Teevee. He has since come to believe that this is not true and that I was right when i told him that was bullshit. I love to bring this up whenever we discuss Trump. Remember that time you thought McDonald's hamburgers were made from cow eyeballs?) I can tell I say things that get him thinking and questioning, but then, like a government controlled robot, the mental conditioning takes hold and he goes right back to repeating talking points he heard on Infowars or some other bullshit site.

I've decided I need to stop playing nice with these people. Take me or leave me, but I'm not going to censor who I am or what I think of you or your choices just to be friends with you. If you are being stupid and we are all suffering because of it, I'm going to tell you you are being stupid. If you're being racist, I'm going to tell you you're being racist. If you're being a brainwashed idiot, I'm going to tell you you're a brainwashed idiot. If I lose friends in the process, no big loss. I've got plenty of other friends that aren't brainwashed idiots, and I can always hang out with them instead. The conversation tends to be better anyways. When I'm with my Trump friend it usually consists of him making stupid statements and me debunking them. It gets tiring.

[maryellen99]

15. I'm done with them too. They want Nuclear War nt

[smirkymonkey]

16. I don't know how you can tolerate someone like that.

I don't think I could have made it through the lunch without slugging him, whether he was buying or not.

[MiddleClass]

17. It takes all types, and America you have a constitutional right to be willfully stupid

That being said, everyone has a right to an opinion, neither side has the correct answer. It's just unfortunately, right now the right wing are so god damn crazy they will hurt millions and blame the victim of those actions.

Let him have his opinion, voice that you don't agree because XYZ, and when it comes around and realizes how totally bat shit he is being, don't let him forget it.

Friends are worth it, politics is to be taken lightly, seriously but likely

[videohead5]

18. They're Brainwashed

Pure and simple.

[NRaleighLiberal]

19. not enough free beers in the world to tolerate that distorted bullshit

[sprinkleeninow]

64. I put up with eight years worth of derogatory emails and conversation that indubitably

led to inflammatory remarks about our One and Only Real and True Commander in Chief, Barack.

One email I got months ago was about that stupid FLA rally where melonya recited The Lord's Prayer. I blew my stack. Replied to him not to send any more rubbish like that. He mentioned this to my husband saying I was nasty to him. Boo frikken hoo. Haven't had contact since. We've known him 32+ years. Them's the breaks. "I feel good."

[Honeycombe8]

20. I couldn't be friends w/someone like that. She's too stupid...or she KNOWS the truth

or she knows the truth (which I suspect), but she's letting you know she's in it for the long haul and go stuff yourself...how dare you seek to question her about her god?

[Mr.Bill]

23. When I encounter a Trump fan in a social setting and they start

talking their crap, I usually just say "I spend 8-10 hours a day arguing politics on the internet. I am very informed and can back things up with multiple sources. You don't want to go there with me." That usually ends the conversation.

[pangaia]

24. You must be really depressed after writing all that.. :)))

Were the lunch and beer worth the destructive weight of the negative emotion you had to put up with?

I would have just left. But....... hey.. that's me.

You have more gumption than I do,.

[sandensea]

25. I feel your pain

I was in school in 1998/99, and having no car had to rely on a friend to hitch a ride from.

Unfortunately we were just about on opposite ends of the political spectrum (he was a nice guy; but being a doctor's boy had made him quite the snob). It goes without saying that he felt Clinton was a closeted commie, and deserved everything that was coming to him.

The fact that he had signed NAFTA (which was still popular among the right at the time) and welfare reform, that Poppy Bush's massive deficits had been turned into surpluses, and that the private sector was roaring made no difference to him. Faux News and hate radio said he was a commie, so it must be so.

Fortunately, I got a sweet deal on a new Chevy a few months later - so end of story.

[WinkyDink]

26. Reader's Digest Condensed version: "Trump voters are ignorant about everything."

Why did you have such an apparently lengthy political conversation with a moron?

We're pretty aware of the non-reality-based notions such fools believe.

[bcool]

27. They live in a bubble & there's no hope for them

I'm thoroughly convinced that what's going on with these people (including ones I know who are of reasonable intelligence) is that they only get their news from Fox and/or right wing radio.

If that's all they ever hear, then OF COURSE they think he's doing a wonderful job.

I honestly don't know how this'll ever change Maybe if he gets removed from office for whatever reason they'll look around to find out how that could have happened when he was doing so great?

What am I thinking...that's asking too much. The right wing media machine will blame it all on the left, and they'll go along with it, no questions asked.

[Fresh_Start]

28. what would his reaction be if you

said you like him as a person but have no respect for his intelligence, perceptiveness, and willingness to be treated as an idiot.

I'm not sure that eating his food and drinking his beer are doing either of you any favors.

Can you get him to commit to one week of looking at the world from outside the right wing spin zone?

Tell him you won't ask him to go to MSNBC...but look at what our foreign allies are saying and doing.

Explain to him, why Putin wanted to interfere in the election...it comes down to follow the money..

[Bradshaw3]

30. You do know that this friend of yours is helping to destroy this country

and maybe the world? That's worth a few beers and a free lunch? BTW, if it came down to it I bet under the right circumstances he would sell you down the river.

[C Moon]

31. Your friend is a puppy, and Trump put him in front of an approaching garbage truck.

[VOX]

32. This how humans will go extinct.

Because he has a DEADLY blind spot that is contributing to untold pain being dumped upon millions of American, not to mention worldwide. (He's included in that number, but refuses to see it.) The GOP and its tRump-wing are a DEATH CULT.

Despite being pacifist, I'd totally lose my shit. It's like kryptonite to anyone who gives a damn about the planet (and the people occupying it).

[Break time]

34. Couldn't pay me

Enough to put up with anyone with those attitudes..

[Blue Owl]

35. So did he have two scoops for dessert???

n/t

[procon]

36. Its classic brainwashing.

Your friend has been seduced by Trump's Cult of Personality. He's no different than all the other victims who followed creepy cult leaders. Replace Tump with David Koresh of the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, or the polygamist Warren Jeffs, or Jim Jones who led his followers to die in Guyana.

He's lost. Gone for good unless he seeks professional, psychological deprogramming treatment and relearns how to think for himself again and counter the cult's messaging propaganda.

[renate]

55. I'd never thought of it that way before

His cult of personality... now that you put it into those words, I see that it's exactly what that is.

I used to think that the North Koreans couldn't possibly really love whichever Kim was in charge at the moment--how could they?--but now I realize that many of them do: they've been brainwashed since birth and have no other frame of reference from which to see how abusive he is. It's incredible that any of them feel any differently, really.

The people who've grown up in Fox-watching homes are really going to be hard to shift.

[procon]

58. One after the other, I've lost my whole family to Fox's brainwashing.

They have succumbed to Trump's cult of personality. Even if Trump were convicted of treason, they would still believe all of his BS propaganda. It hurts me to think of them as they once were, but now it's almost like they were all killed and somehow replaced by these appalling, alien strangers that I don't even recognise.

[DeeDeeNY]

37. It's become a cult for these people

Their brains have become inactive. No critical thinking skills. A cult.

[Locrian]

38. their entire morality

Their entire morality / belief system is based on power and authority. This is heir blind spot - they cannot fathom a world view where caring, nurturing, science, nuance etc is more efficient / better so they outright reject it as an argument.

Everything they give trump a pass on boils down to that he's (in their mind) an alpha monkey and they're willing to give their bananas to him.



edit to add they base their beliefs on the TRAPPINGS of power / authority. The peacock feathers, gilded gold, chest thumping, etc

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. What Trumpanzees are writing at another site

(emphasis added)

Let it be known they are facing a master negotiator in Donald Trump, and Trump does not often lose in the long term, if ever. There may be short-term setbacks, but Trump plays the “Art of the Deal” with a great deal of finesse, and he has a game plan that is proven over the years to be virtually bulletproof.

Ask Jeb Bush. With a rush of energy and spectacular byplay, which manages to fake out many of the observers, the various weaknesses and limited capabilities of his opponents are quickly revealed, and Trump can be unrelenting, collapsing one line of assault and switching to a second or third, before the opponent can even get the guns turned.

Best damned job he has ever had in his life.

12 posted on 2017-08-08, 7:20:43 PM by alloysteel

"Anti-American subversives"

Absolutley {sic} no problem taking any I found out.

The problem is positively ID'ing them. Cannot just start blowing away the driver of every car with some leftist bumper sticker, however satisfying that might be.
350 posted on 2017-08-06, 3:57:09 PM by doorgunner69

If they get away with removing President Trump, they'll be coming for his supporters and voters next.

Zerobama wasn't shy about using the IRS on his opponents, nor was he shy about wiretapping them.

Once they determine they have nothing to fear from us, they can proceed with the Ayers Plan - 25 million murders of their political opponents.
103 posted on 2017-08-06, 9:42:43 AM by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)

The real revolution is being fought by the left. It is of the same order as the Russian revolution and is being fought the same way. Obama did not have the stomach for the revolution. His sexual proclivities prevented him from acting the role of ruthless dictator. He was led by ruthless women.
I do not see a Lenin, Trotsky, or Stalin on the horizon. Instead, we have a Churchill using every means at his disposal to sort circuit the demise of our nation. To date he does not have a preponderance of government elected or appointed officials on his side. They will not come over until he has won.
Cowards all, those who are elected and appointed to represent us do not. They stand for their personal, selfish interests. Lifelong traitors like McCain, Clinton and Waters are long overdue for imprisonment. If Trump can work that out he will win the day.

161 posted on 2017-08-06, 10:46:06 AM by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)

This is all unfounded hysteria. Trump is in zero danger of being removed from office and his re-election is virtually assured should he seek it.

Trump can call a rally virtually anywhere in the nation and get overflow crowds that are pumped and enthusiastic about where Trump is taking our nation.

This is why the elites of the media and the Washington Beltway are so freaked out. Thus, they are trying to create a narrative of an "embattled" president who is on the verge of being removed. Don't believe that for a minute.

President Trump literally saved our nation. This is the truth that nobody in the media wants us to know. But I know it, you know it, and soon, everybody will know it.
258 posted on 2017-08-06, 12:06:59 PM by SamAdams76


I believe Trump will do massively well in the mid-terms. After the 2018 midterms, Trump will have his entire agenda passed. Bookmark this thread and come talk to me afterward.

279 posted on 2017-08-06, 12:29:44 PM by SamAdams76

"The decadence in America has been well fed for many years."

It has indeed.

It burst into the open, like an infected lymph node in a victim of the Black Death, as the counter-culture movement of the 1960s. Few people recognized it for what it was. Now we know.

Two decades before that, when the Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor, the American People responded with a fury and with strategic and moral clarity, defeated Japan (and Nazi Germany, by the way), and destroyed the Japanese's evil ideology.

Sixty years after the Pearl Harbor attack, extremists attacked the World Trade Center. The response of the American people was limp, tepid, confused, and ineffective.

What happened between December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001? The United States degenerated into decadence: internal moral rot and decay, the destroyer of nations.

In 2016, the brilliant, puissant, highly successful multibillionaire Donald Trump, who loved America and the American people, recognized the problem for what it is and undertook to reverse the decadence and save the United States.

The response from those who are sick with the disease of decadence was immediate, ruthless, and relentless! They have threatened this good man with everything including assassination.

America's enemies--those who hate the U.S.A. and want to destroy it, have recognize, in American decadence, the opportunity they have been waiting for all these years--and have seized it.

Were it not for the internal moral rot and decay that is destroying America from within, her enemies would have no chance of destroying her. However, they recognize America's vulnerability, sick as she is with the disease of decadence, and they are using her internal moral rot and decay as a weapon to destroy her--and to destroy President Trump, America's Hero and Savior, if they can.

Whether or not they will succeed depends upon the strength of healthy, non-decadent America and how many Americans remain healthy and free of decadence.

Time will tell--and there's not much of it left.

Pray for America!

Pray for President Trump!

Pray for the American People: may they remain godly, morally healthy, ascendant, and free of the disease of decadence.

May God bless America, yet again, and may God save America!
342 posted on 2017-08-06, 3:02:29 PM by Savage Beast

[spanone]

41. buy your own beer and lunch...fuck him

[nini]

46. no kidding

I purged those types out of my life long ago.

I'd rather starve than deal with people who are putting future at risk and destroying this country.

[Lobo27]

42. What he done is embolden people!!

A few weeks back a coworker shows me a MEME on his cell


Says Trump 3:16, how to kick moochers from the country.

It showed a brown guy getting kicked across the border.

And I'm like why would you show me that I'm a brown guy....

[VermontKevin]

43. We need to stop coddling these assholes.

[tazkcmo]

44. "So if you're wasting time trying to reach these people, don't."

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

[Initech]

45. It must be nice to let someone else do your thinking for you.

Since Trump fans all tend to have the same cult-like mindset.

[Dustlawyer]

47. Republicans and Trumpsters have been programmed by their media.

If we want to stop it we will have to win Congress and the WH and change out the FCC. The rules governing media oligarchies and calling outlets like Fox NEWS "entertainment" so they can legally lie to us need to be changed. Until then we will get more of the same.

The media and campaign finance are the root causes of most of our problems. Until we decide to focus on campaign finance and demand change we will NEVER pull out of our downward spiral! TPTB will continue to control our government and a large segment of our population. We will be stuck bitching about the latest injustice until we are all serfs.

[MyNameIsKhan]

48. I will not have my brain eaten a lunch and few beers ... I cannot stand this guy

[NotASurfer]

49. Have to trust your judgement in this case

Your friend respects you enough to honor your request to change the topic. That says there's some decency that hasn't been consumed by whatever reality distortion field Faux News is generating.

So there's a chance that being exposed to the discrepancies between what they say and what Twitler actually says and does will register. Just try to steer your friend in the right direction if that happens

[guillaumeb]

52. Recommended.

It would be funny if it were not so sad.

[3catwoman3]

53. Relatively recently, I commented in a similar thread...

...that I find myself reluctant to pursue social relationships with new people I meet. My husband and I have been going to a new-to-us gym for several months, and I have met a few women that I think I might like to get to know outside of the workout setting, but I worry - what if there is someone I find I like, and it turns out that she is a Trump voter?

We had to change workout locations, as the one we were going to changes hours and no longer fit out schedule. We checked out one place during a week of free classes. there was a woman in one of them wearing a T-shirt that proudly proclaimed her to be an "Adorable Deplorable." After that class, I told my husband, "We can't join here. I can't be in a class with that person."

We live in a very red county amongst the mostly blue collar counties in the greater Chicago area so, unfortunately, it is very likely that most people I might meet would be Trump voters.

How sad and isolating this feels.

[renate]

54. this reminds me of the advice I've gotten about trying to reason with people who are delusional:

Don't.

I volunteer in a capacity that occasionally brings me into contact with people who, through no fault of their own, are not grounded in reality. There is simply no point in trying to change their minds. It doesn't help them, it's not productive, and it's a barrier to trust. (So maybe, if there is any hope of gaining a Trump person's trust, the best approach is not to argue with them but to go along with their version of reality, at least in conversation if not in action.)

I'm not equating being a Fox News viewer with actual mental illness, but Fox News viewers simply and literally live in a different world than we do.

So yeah, what you said about not wasting time trying to reach these people (at least, with logic): don't.

[underpants]

56. See! Everything is just "fine"

Thanks for the post.

[D_Master81]

57. people like this

people like this are willfully ignorant b/c they dont want to know. they have made a decision and will not change their mind for any reason. He says CNN wouldnt report him saving a puppy, but he wouldnt believe a report that essentially was saying trump was selling out state secrets to russia or something like that.

[bluecollar2]

59. he bought the lunch and the beers

So he can call you a liberal parasite...

Trumpistas are not your friends.

[Binkie The Clown]

60. I, personally, would never spoil a perfectly good lunch by eating in the presence of one of them. nt

[ecstatic]

63. Recent polls showed only 24% of Americans still believe Trump

Maybe it will help to let him know that he's part of the 24%. 76% of Americans think trump is a liar. Are 76% of Americans wrong?

[HAB911]

66. This is exactly why I have blocked 5 ex "friends"

from even calling me. I explained to them why on January 1 of this year. They are now dead to me because I will not tolerate them. They are beyond redeemable.

[SharonClark]

67. Which is it? Do as I say or do as I do?

Your say: "So if you're wasting time trying to reach these people, don't. Focus on the undecided who outnumber them..."

Your do: "Oh, and by the way, you know why I let my friend ramble on as long as I did? Because he was buying the lunch AND the beers!"

[oppressedproletarian]

68. Cretins support trump because they are just like him

I spit on all of them

[Warpy]

70. I hope you ran up a big bar tab

because that's what it would have taken me to get through such a diatribe.