The RT network is the only network that has propaganda

[ProfessorPlum]

You'll never hear any opinions that are dangerous to our country on Fox, or Breitbart, or CNBC, or NBC, ABC, CBS, Sinclair, Viacom, Comcast, Time Warner. They are, or are owned by, huge multinational corporations that are often also war racketeers. So you can listen to and trust everything you hear on those networks. But make sure you never listen to or watch anything on RT, because that's where all the propaganda is.



Do I have that right now? That's the message of the week? Just making sure my two minutes hate is aimed properly in the right direction.

[JI7]

1. RT is Putin's own personal network

it's pretty much like that trump tv crap .

[ProfessorPlum]

3. Every other news source is just as compromised

By your logic.

[JI7]

6. trump tv is the only comparable thing to RT

[mythology]

32. Yes I remember all those times CNN imprisoned or killed

People who don't fawn over the president. Oh wait, that didn't happen.

[ananda]

37. And Sinclair might as well be called Trump News All the Time.

nt

[dembotoz]

2. Hold on while I get more freedom fries

[greeny2323]

4. Russian media

In 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index from Reporters Without Borders. In 2015 Freedom House report Russia got score of 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass-media

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia

[stonecutter357]

5. fuck putin.....AND RT.....

[Squinch]

7. DU has become completely bizarre. I suspect it is because the bots are still alive and well and

defending the coup.

The Thom Hartmann argument is a perfect example of how they go about their disruption, and how well their disruption works.

Waiting for the OP that suggests we throw a parade for Putin. At this rate it should be coming along in a day or two.

[get the red out]

53. I believe you are correct

How could what people here listen to on the radio really matter so much to some people all of a sudden? With all the daily horrors of the Trump administration it certainly isn't something I find worth worrying about.

[R B Garr]

57. The timing is quite interesting. After news of the dawn FBI raid on Manafort's house, which

indicates how the Russia investigation is heating up and going all the way, we're all treated to a bizarre sidebar about some obscure Russia TV host who most people never bother with.

[Ninsianna]

65. I guess some are not bothering to hide their purpose anymore.

They ran off to some other site, are now trying to "take back" some form of DU where they reined supreme. Putin sure knew their audience, and their coverage kind of proves it, the timelines of their stars on twitter and other places really drives this point home.

Be they employees or merely fans, the RT defenders are doing Putin's work, and it's important to see what points that propaganda outlet is pushing on its air and through its stars, ALL of them.

[Squinch]

66. Here's the thing: I can't speak about Hartmann's content. I find it much easier to read for

information than to listen, so radio shows don't do it for me. There are many DUers vouching for the guy's liberal credentials, and I have no doubt that they are sincere and well informed.

AND, if I remember correctly, we had no reason to fear RT when Hartmann joined them. BUT now we obviously do. I suspect Hartmann is a sincere guy who got caught in a bad place without knowing how bad it was. But now we are many months past an attempted coup by the Russians, and RT has been named by our intelligence agencies as one of the propaganda arms that was used in that coup attempt.

Hartmann has known at least since the election tampering was described by US intelligence who he is dealing with. I hear that he is severing his ties with them, and good for him for finally owning up to the error of his association with them. But there is just no way, in my mind, to deny that his association with RT gave legitimacy to them and brought progressive ears to a Russian propaganda source.

[Ninsianna]

67. RT has been known as a propaganda outlet for years.

He started there in 2010, and there were some notable resignations, especially after the Ukraine situation.

He had reason to know who was in charge there and what was up. He says he has independent editorial control, but chooses not to cover things that everyone else is talking about, when they might upset Putin.

He might be sincere, but the things which he's sincere about might be questionable.

I tried to listen to his show a few times, but his style is not to my taste.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/3/10/1283668/-Thom-Hartmann-Sticking-with-RT-despite-Resignations-over-Putin-s-Actions-in-Ukraine

We've seen what's been going on with Larry King, Ed Schultz and others who are on board with RT.

I've seen some of things that were on air (via youtube) and what I saw are the sources of the division and the ratfucking that when on with the left.

[Squinch]

68. Ed Shultz was pretty shocking, huh? Just a big old scammer, that one.

[Ninsianna]

70. I wasn't terribly shocked about him actually.

I personally found him grating on his show, but he fit right in with what RT was doing. I tuned into Lee Camp once after following a twitter link, and my goodness, I didn't expect that level of hate from a supposed progressive/liberal.

The vitriol that guy was spewing then (and which is on his timeline now) is on par with what I was getting from Ed, he just wasn't so blatant about it when he was on MSNBC.

I figured Larry King was in need of money, I've seen him hawking supplements so I figured he was hard up, but these other guys... wow, just wow.

[eShirl]

8. You're so right; so what if it's propaganda of a country whose attack on us is ongoing?

And so what if this propaganda is part of that attack?

[ProfessorPlum]

19. We live in a world of propaganda

Use context and content and double checking sources to determine how reliable your source for news and opinion is. That's what adults do.

[Dustlawyer]

29. Yes! All of our networks and cable news outlets are spewing propaganda of some form or

another. It is a huge threat to our Democracy and our country! Fox and RW media have programmed a large segment of our society to ignore facts, to hate, and to blame the wrong people for our problems. Even so called "liberal media" do not cover important stories that TPTB don't want covered.

Once we regain power we need to revamp the FCC, bust up the 6-7 huge media conglomerates, and require truth in the news. We would have to demand this of our own politicians because they will not want this either. In conjunction with cleaning up the propaganda we must demand real campaign finance reform and cut off the money spigot that allows the rich and powerfult to buy our politicians who now only represent Donors!

[disillusioned73]

50. Bravo..

[Pholus]

9. Nice example of "Whataboutism!" Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[FreepFryer]

10. What does the R in RT stand for? And what country attacked our election? (n/t)

[NurseJackie]

11. LOL!

Do I have that right now?

Nope.

[catbyte]

12. So what's your point? Should we legitimize RT & get off it's case?

Why did you write that? That sounds like Benedict Donald defending Putin murdering journalists by saying, "Well, the United States isn't so innocent either."

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Oh, what a pantload of shit. No, you cannot paint NBC with the same brush as Breitbart

so stop trying to. RT is a deplorable network, because it pumps out the official Russian propaganda - you know, the people who assassinate journalists. Who occupied Crimea. Who have anti-LGBT laws. Who are run by a kleptocracy that has produced the highest inequality in wealth in any sizeable country in the world.

Yes, that really is worse than being a big corporation.

Have you no judgement whatsoever?

And, let's be clear, if someone had a show on Breitbart or Fox, or were one of Sinclair's commentators, we'd have a go at them too - because those outlets have a track record of right wing crap. RT is the pro-Putin right wing crap.

[ProfessorPlum]

16. if you are such an unsophisticated consumer of news

that the only way you can determine which outlets and shows to listen to is to try to figure out which evil billionaire owner wouldn't kill your grandmother for $5 and you for free, then please go ahead and use that criteria.

the rest of us will use our brains to listen to the content of the shows, and factor the context into what we hear.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Try reading my post before talking rubbish

I'm not judging RT because of its owner; I'm judging it because it produces propaganda - lies, misleading stories. That's also why I denigrate Fox and Breitbart - because of their output.

You're not using your brains. Don't fool yourself. It's you who has suggested that the owners of NBC etc. make them just as bad as Breitbart.

You have got this all so wrong, you are doing what you accuse others of. Crap thread, this, isn't it?

[TomVilmer]

27. Such free thinking is a bit too sophisticated right now!

Russia, RT and Putin are now the most powerful beings in the world. If you touch any Russian you will get permanent cooties, because Putin controls them all. If RT shows Obama, Hillary or others, you must break all contact with those persons immediately!

Anybody who watch any kind of media should learn a bit of critical thinking first. And then maybe also learn, that diversity is interesting. It is stunning to see how different the "same" stories are told in different countries and channels. And even more when they are told just the same - that is when you should really be aware.

It is easy the see the difference. F.ex. MSNBC has the worst commercial breaks, and RT has the worst news breaks. You can also easily find BS at MSNBC and RT in between very fine and interesting journalism at both places.

Some of it is hard to find in other places, so I will keep watching. But I am never watching any channels for hours - I am always watching carefully selected content.

[njhoneybadger]

14. LOL, fuck it then! Let's promote RT

[MrsCoffee]

15. Fuck sanctions on Russia. Thank you Putin for sanctions against USA!

I mean, is that what we will see here next?

Why are people torn up about RT being called what it really is? Seems really weird to me.

[lpbk2713]

17. Good luck in your search for a more perfect world.

I'll let someone else tell you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

[ProfessorPlum]

18. ?

[Ilsa]

21. LOL I see what you did there!

I love it!

[Foamfollower]

22. False equivalency.

None of the media outlets you name are owned, operated and directed by a hostile foreign government except for RT.

Nice try, though.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. The whole seeming goal of this Thom Hartmann nonsense has been to normalize RT

This post just skips the onerous business of working through Hartmann and goes directly to the real purpose of it.

To say "Oh well, they're all biased, tra la la" in reference to the house organ of a murderous dictator who is actively working to undermine our Constitution?

Good Lord, we're really through the looking glass 'round here.

[ProfessorPlum]

30. You almost got it right

It's they are all biased, so use your damned brain.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. I don't read Stormfront and try to decipher which of their stories is "mostly accurate"

Oh, but they're simply biased in a different way, tra la la, right? Stormfront, The Aryan Nation Newsletter, MSNBC, whatevs! Just practice some media literacy, yeah?

Your argument that we be media literate and discriminate carefully between stories is ironically incapable of discriminating carefully between source-types. Since somebody gave you a PhD at some point, I can only imagine that it is disingenuous at this point, but I guess you're all in with this nonsense.

[ProfessorPlum]

38. I'm also saying consider the "source types"

And also consider the content. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. I've considered the source type, and RT is a Putin propaganda engine the same way that Stormfront

is a neo-Nazi engine. I don't read Stormfront content because I know what I'm going to get. Do you suggest we read Stormfront for news, too? Who knows, maybe some of their views allow us perspective?

Yes, easy.

[ProfessorPlum]

43. Your mileage may vary, of course

Baby, meet bathwater

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Cogent

[dalton99a]

56. +1

[FreepFryer]

60. +1

[FreepFryer]

59. +1 for apocryphal doctorate

[betsuni]

24. Oh, this like Trump's "You think our country's so innocent?"

[JHan]

25. All of this just cuz you love Hartmann.

I'm all out of evens to can't

[NurseJackie]

39. You're correct. I'm reminded of how adolescents behave: pouty, temperamental, easily frustrated...

... unable to control emotions or express feelings, quickly exasperated, angry. The similarities are there, and it's often very difficult to be reasonable with folks like that.




Hi, JHan! Happy Friday!

[JHan]

42. Lol

TGIF!

[geek tragedy]

26. Because Fox, Breitbart and Sinclair never get criticized here.

Logical fallacy: whataboutism.

[Ninsianna]

64. Yes, but how else to defend Russian state sponsored propaganda when they

say so many things that are geared towards indoctrinating a certain segment of the population. They've been largely successful in sowing their chaos, and their cheerleaders here are proof. Or simply doing their jobs. In either case, objective achieved.

[samnsara]

28. i watch it occasionally and im still a sane....

[delisen]

31. Let's start a news outlet in Russia!

We can have shows on human rights and transgender rights, free speech.
Should be just as easy to do there as here?

Maybe easier-we only need one person's permission?

[dalton99a]

36. Bingo.

[WinkyDink]

34. Oh, brother.

[LanternWaste]

35. I don't think I've read any posts which indicate an implicit denia

I don't think I've read any posts which indicate an implicit denial that corporate media is ratings driven rather than content driven, or a denial of the immediate consequences of that system.

So it would seem you do not have that right now. That is your pretense of the week. Your two minutes will be given all the consideration they indeed, warrant.

[delisen]

41. Propaganda Patterns: is no difference between parties

Propaganda Pattern

1. There are just 2 opposing sides in national politics and they are both the same. if you vote for a Democrat, it is the same as voting for a Republican. Therefore don't vote for the Democrat and let the Republican win.


2. There is no difference between news media in Russia or in the US. They both produce propaganda. Therefore you might as well watch Russia Today as watch US media.

[FreepFryer]

62. +1. Succinct !

[dawg]

44. I have a healthy skepticism for everything that I read or see on the internet or television.

But I go beyond that when it comes to sources (such as RT and Fox News) that were created for the express purpose of spreading disinformation.

[ProfessorPlum]

46. I encourage you to watch Thom H. on other outlets in that case.

[lancelyons]

47. Wrong. Fox and Breitbart (RW media) are out to paint the picture that liberals

Wrong. Fox and Breitbart (RW media) are out to paint the picture that liberals/ democrats are what is destroying our country.

[maddiemom]

48. + many times.

[disillusioned73]

49. It is sad..

folks equate ratings with honesty/integrity.. it's CORPORATE MEDIA folks - they are looking out for their own interests. CNN, MSNBC all of them were right there w/ Fox propping up Trump.. pushing the "horse race" narrative that gave us this train wreck - trust them at your own peril..

[DanTex]

51. This is just getting sad. Why the desperation to normalize RT?

Do you really expect anyone to believe that being owned by a private company is somehow equivalent to being owned by Putin?

Why not add North Korean state TV to the mix, while you're at it?

[OnDoutside]

54. +1

[tammywammy]

55. DU has become extra nutty the last few days.

*some* posters that is. Many are clearly seeing through these attempts to normalize and whataboutism regarding RT.

[FreepFryer]

61. +1. RT will be an organ attempting to divide us and stem the Trumpeachment effort.

Not gonna work.

[get the red out]

52. I have never seen anyone say that on DU

[NastyRiffraff]

58. Is there an opposite to rec-ing?

How I wish there were, for this OP.

[hrmjustin]

63. RT is a Putin propaganda outfit designed to undermine America at every chance.

RT is a arm of Putin who is an enemy of the United States.

These other channels have can be debated but RT is owned and operated by evil!

[malaise]

69. Hahahahahahaha

You nailed it.

I have asked this before. At some point reality must set in and folks will have to follow this simple suggestion. Physician heal thyself.
US propaganda is everywhere. I don't get how so any folks can't see it.