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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:03 PM

If I hear one more fucking pundit on MSNBC say

"both sides" one more fucking time I'll scream.

Here's something for our clueless media...one side is full of fucking hatred because of racism... the "other" side is opposed to that hatred.

Talking about "both sides" is how you have fucking normalized racist hatred.

In other words... your normalizing coverage over the past fucking decade have brought us here

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Reply If I hear one more fucking pundit on MSNBC say (Original post)
maxrandb Saturday OP
Egnever Saturday #1
olegramps Sunday #67
Chasstev365 Saturday #2
jrthin Saturday #5
NRaleighLiberal Saturday #7
iluvtennis Saturday #20
dalton99a Saturday #23
brer cat Saturday #33
pwb Saturday #3
MountainFool Saturday #13
zz-la Sunday #56
potone Saturday #4
BeyondGeography Saturday #6
MFM008 Saturday #10
superpatriotman Saturday #11
MFM008 Saturday #15
BeyondGeography Saturday #37
Lokilooney Saturday #51
Boomerproud Saturday #21
zz-la Sunday #57
BSdetect Saturday #8
Mr.Bill Saturday #9
Paladin Saturday #12
unitedwethrive Saturday #14
Doug the Dem Saturday #16
grantcart Saturday #17
vicman Saturday #18
japple Saturday #19
HurricaneWarning Saturday #22
NobodyHere Saturday #24
maxrandb Saturday #25
Nitram Saturday #26
Scarsdale Sunday #60
Danmel Saturday #27
OutaHere Saturday #28
Duppers Saturday #31
Duppers Saturday #29
Scruffy1 Saturday #30
eleny Saturday #32
George II Saturday #34
Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #35
moonseller66 Saturday #36
maxrandb Saturday #40
stuffmatters Saturday #43
stuffmatters Saturday #42
thegoose Saturday #38
bucolic_frolic Saturday #39
Coventina Saturday #41
Rabrrrrrr Saturday #45
Rabrrrrrr Saturday #44
many a good man Saturday #46
Bladewire Saturday #47
Orrex Saturday #48
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VOX Saturday #50
hay rick Saturday #52
bora13 Saturday #54
lillypaddle Saturday #53
zentrum Sunday #55
Generic Other Sunday #58
Smickey Sunday #59
MojoWrkn Sunday #61
get the red out Sunday #62
saidsimplesimon Sunday #65
still_one Sunday #63
Sucha NastyWoman Sunday #64
Beartracks Sunday #66

Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:04 PM

1. Exactly right

fuck the both sides bull shit.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:50 PM

67. There is an informative article in "Mother Jones" concerning this problem.

In the article adapted from Rick Perlstein's titled: "How Political Lies Became the New Normal" this phenomena discussed.
Dating from the 1980's "There evolved a new media definition of civility that privileged "balance" over truth-telling-even when one side was lying."...Right-wing ideologues lie without challenge since the so-called "balanced networks frame their lies as just another he-said-she said controversy.


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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:06 PM

2. Media false equivalency is what has warpped so many American minds!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:09 PM

5. Yes, and a thousand times more, YES!!!!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:20 PM

7. bingo - this is the thread win.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:49 PM

20. 100000000 bingos!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:22 PM

23. Precisely.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:43 PM

33. You are spot on! nt

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:07 PM

3. Turn it off ???

I cut the cable just because of opinion being pushed as news. Cable news fucked this country up. All of them.

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Response to pwb (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:13 PM

13. I cut mine too

Not one penny to news outlets that are too timid to tell right from wrong.

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Response to pwb (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:00 AM

56. Sadly though there are fewer and fewer outlets out there to trust

Even some former trusted sites and channels have sadly pandered and sold this tripe for simple monetary gains.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:08 PM

4. Yep.

The other thing that I am sick of hearing is that both parties have moved to the extremes. Even Obama said that. IT IS NOT TRUE. The Republicans have moved so far to the right that they are hanging off the cliff, whereas the Democrats have also moved to the right and call it the "center." What is now called "the left" used to be the center before the DLC took over the party in the 1990s.

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Response to potone (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:18 PM

6. Democrats have played too nice

One party is determined to undermine our government at every turn. Our leaders have done a piss poor job of calling them out, Obama included.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:49 PM

10. They go low

We go high because someone just hit us with a car.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:53 PM

11. They go low

We get run over. I'm not liking this formula anymore.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:28 PM

15. Exactly

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:10 PM

37. No shit

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:06 PM

51. Heh, dark

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:55 PM

21. Isn't this country "of the people, by the people"? When the party in power undermines the government

they are undermining the people are they not? What is their motivation besides hurting people?

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:05 AM

57. Democrats have miscalculated the hatred wrong and for too long

They wanted to believe that Trump was elected because his supporters needed jobs, or at least a great many of them did. They ignored what most of us always knew. It has always been the hatred and racism. Any one that says they voted for Rump because of jobs is lying. ALL OF THEM ARE LYING. And the DNC needs to start pushing this narrative and let the chips fall where they may. Expose these people, it's the only way out.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:22 PM

8. The problem is that so many of them are not really that sharp at challenging crap

And also just not clued up enough about issues.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:39 PM

9. My message to them is

you don't have to worry about pissing off 50% of the country by accurately reporting what is happening here. Only about 2% of the country is watching the way you report things now.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:03 PM

12. Also known as the Chuck Todd Syndrome.

No, Chuck: Both sides don't do it. When was the last time an anti-Semitic slur was aimed your way by a liberal?

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:22 PM

14. EXACTLY! Those standing up for justice and equality cannot in any way be lumped with those

who are motivated by hatred and racism.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:29 PM

16. Also, one party is sane

The other is batshit-fucking crazy, in addition to its racism.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:36 PM

17. It doesn't bother me because when I go to MSNBC for an update I mute the sound.

I knew they would say that, and I know that Trump and the Republicans will say it.

It makes me furious to hear so I take pity on myself and turn the sound of.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:37 PM

18. People can equivocate all they want about it

but it's just true
Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:39 PM

19. Herr tRUMP said it. He used those exact words in his "speech."

They are parroting der fuhrer.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:20 PM

22. Anna Navarro is the only one calling a spade a spade.

I wonder how long she is going to remain a Republican?

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:24 PM

24. The images I saw

There WAS violence by both sides.

This wasn't a love-fest

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #24)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:32 PM

25. Sure

And when the Nazis marched on France, there was "violence on both sides"

Damn those people standing up against hatred, racism and fascism!

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:34 PM

26. Yup. Sick and tired of the fake balance and the stupid moral equivalence.

But I keep hearing this even from people I know.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:12 AM

60. Both sides did not

drive a car through a group of people. GET REAL. Round these Nazis up, ship them over to a country that would welcome them. Maybe Vlad would make room for all these friends of Donnies? These people went there, hoping to cause trouble, and they did. Too bad David Duke was not injured. Strangely, the "leaders"" are always protected, aren't they?

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:34 PM

27. The same false equivalency we heard the entire election cycle

They are both flawed candidates. She has baggage too. But her email. She gave speeches.
Bullshit.
There was no equivalency then. There is no equivalence now.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:39 PM

28. My Pet Peeve Media Treating Republicans Like They Aren't Simply Lying Scum

 

I mean it.

Once some Republicans says 10 things that are not true, they should not be allowed on any real news shows.

They get a platform to spew their nonsense, trickle down fantasies, and outright lies.

And their "free market" garbage.

In a free market we have one monopoly, and the rest of us are slaves.

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Response to OutaHere (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:42 PM

31. Exactly!

The media is responsible for so much of this. But remember who owns them.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:40 PM

29. Heard on msnbc the AG of Virginia said...

In contradiction to Trump, that "both sides are not equally to blame."


Yes, we have elected Democrats here! Our two Senators, our Governor, our AG are Democratic and we went blue for Hillary. We have some distinctions from other southern states. Note, the car that murdered that man and injured all those people had Ohio plates.


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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:42 PM

30. I never hear that.

Of course that is because I've boycotted the MSM for many years. Take that garbage can in your living room and haul it to the curb.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:42 PM

32. They lack courage to speak the truth

They're not brave enough to deal with any backlash from the racists and the antisemitic.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:51 PM

34. They don't mention that "one side" showed up with clubs, shields, and helmets, the "other side"....

....was there with protest signs.

Which "side" was out for disruption?

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:56 PM

35. The truth is often one-sided or lop-sided. Giving equal time to "both sides" is not real journalism.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:57 PM

36. a needed organized response to the media

I said it before and I'll say it again...we all call our reps and senators about health care and social security, etc. etc. And it seems to get their attention. Now it's time to start calling the media offices and flooding them with complaints over their "both sides do it" reporting among other items. You all know the drill by now. I've been doing it for a number of months.

Maybe some Progressive sites can start a flood by getting their readers and followers to call MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS (fuck Fox!) and flood their switchboards with people upset over their fantasy reality reporting.

Imagine MSNBC getting a million calls complaining about Chuck Todd and his "everybody does it" 10 year old mentality!

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:57 PM

40. And I keep saying that a few dozen protesting outside their

Local Sinclair hate radio station will do more than half a million on the DC Mall.

Why do colleges broadcast their football games on stations that provide nothing but wingnut hate for the other 165 hours of the week?

Why is the most powerful hate radio station in overwhelmingly blue cities broadcasting nothing but wingnut hate?

I will tell you why. It's because they pay no price for their propaganda.

We can't get to a national corporation like Sinclair, but we sure as hell can get to their local affiliates

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:31 PM

43. Yes in person protests at local affiliates against these media enablers of Trump,McConnell, Ryan etc

My local NBC, ABC and CBS ...they all do it ALL THE TIME. Sinclair coming is an outrage, agreed. And the "normal"media also need
in person protests for their relentless journalistic malpractice.

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:26 PM

42. We need to ALL call them (national and local) Every Time they let Repugs hijack the truth.

Yes,it's mind boggling that there is no People's organized media watchdog campaign against our biased media. Even after they so egregiously enabled Trump and the nationwide dominance of the Repug Party. Maybe it can start here on DU.

Find out you local news editors and contact them every time they feature repug lies without confrontation, ignore our protests or our Reps, or give the "last word" to Repug liars.


I call our local stations all the time for repeating Repug bull shit at 5. It's gone by 11. So it works. But what surprises me is that the news editors always act surprised to hear my objections, indicating I'm like the only person calling. And I live in a County of millions of voters with a majority being Democrats.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:21 PM

38. The reason the opposite side was there

Was because of the fucking hateful Nazi scum! Jesus!

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:52 PM

39. Treating them with kidd gloves in the name of balance and fairness

is an abrogation of journalism

and in the name of what? They are signaling they are afraid of them which only encourages them to do more violence

We cannot be afraid, FEAR is the posture of SUBMISSION

Those were brave souls in Virginia today

This must end

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:58 PM

41. "Both sides" were violent in WW2.

Only one side was in the right.

(Hint: Not the Nazis).

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Response to Coventina (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:53 PM

45. Ha - yes! I could see the modern MSM saying, "Let's offer both sides of the debate

in this world war..."

I could see them doing it today because they're so goddamn afraid of just telling the right that they're wrong, so they do all this false equivalency, trying-to-be-fair-to-everyone idiocy.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:51 PM

44. And the same with their "both sides" of the "climate debate" and "Evolution" debate

No two sides, or even multiple sides on these, assholes.

There's science, and there's bullshit.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 08:26 PM

46. But it's true, both sides have hate in them

There's the pro-hate side and the anti-hate side. Both names have hate in them

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 09:40 PM

47. Racists are cowards and always afraid to claim

they are racist.

Today Trump made it unequivocally clear that he is a racist. As if we did not know this before.

The Trump backlash will be stealth, and more than he ever realized. America is bigger than your small mind Trump.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 10:17 PM

48. I'm seeing it all over social media

"Yes, they're racist, but so is BLM."

Fuck every Good German who tries that bullshit line of reasoning. Fuck them with a flaming jackhammer.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 10:26 PM

49. Proud to be the 160th Rec.

Utter horseshit that both sides are equally as guilty.

My grandfather FOUGHT fascists and Nazis in WWII. There was a war decided over this.

The left is not the side resurrecting hateful and murderous ideology. They just aren't.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 10:40 PM

50. The abolitionist Yankees and secessionist, slave-holding Rebs both need to chill the f*** out.

Both sides need to cease this un-American fighting among themselves!

(Same as it ever was.)

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Response to VOX (Reply #50)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:06 PM

52. Looking for the sarcasm thingie.

Here it is!

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Response to VOX (Reply #50)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:35 PM

54. some migrations have occured

since our last visit to the civil war.
there are confederate types who live in the north now.
they specifically like states where they think they are as free as a bird. Free as a bird to
crap all over everyone below.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:18 PM

53. Did you tell this to MSNBC?

I am sending this message to MSNBC - please join me, people!

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:03 AM

55. ++10000

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:28 AM

58. That is how they created the Trump monster

Propaganda. Class War.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:44 AM

59. Hear F...... Hear. eom

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:38 AM

61. And the media's attitude is exactly what helped get dumb Don elected!

They never called him out on the terrible things he did and said while campaigning!! They acted as though he was cute. Yech . . . . . .

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 09:35 AM

62. CNN seems to be doing a good job

Been watching CNN some, glad I haven't heard that shit!

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Response to get the red out (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 11:05 AM

65. Thank you

Wish I could say the same. I hear this "shit" every day in the valley of the sun.

Mr. Thomas Roberts, selected by rump to host a pageant, has been a rump supporter for some time, imo. How a gay man can embrace this is a mystery for me. He is not the only one on MSNBC that embraces the alt right, there is Hugh Hewitt and a list to long for me to remain silent.

On the other hand there is Republican Richard Painter who appears as a frequent guest on some shows. I thank him for his courage in speaking truth to power.

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 10:25 AM

63. they have been doing that for a while max

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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 10:55 AM

64. The other thing I hear them saying that enrages me

Is that occasionally I hear someone referring to this murder has an accident. I realize that intent is going to have to be proven in a court of law, but there is no proof that this is an accident either



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Response to maxrandb (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:42 PM

66. "If blacks would just stop HATING white supremacists...

... yesterday's violence could have been avoided!"





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