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Don't be that bystander... (Original Post) MrScorpio Aug 2017 OP
Violence is not acceptable, regardless of who. See Martin Luther King, nonviolent resistance american_ideals Aug 2017 #1
Much of America does not agree with you customerserviceguy Aug 2017 #7
We must set a better, peaceful, example american_ideals Aug 2017 #10
I certainly hope customerserviceguy Aug 2017 #12
No violence. Violence plays into the hands of the right. Be peaceful. american_ideals Aug 2017 #2
Please... MrScorpio Aug 2017 #3
That's not what civil rights was founded on. american_ideals Aug 2017 #4
When it comes to nazis... MrScorpio Aug 2017 #6
That's not the way to success. american_ideals Aug 2017 #8
King - nonviolence. american_ideals Aug 2017 #11
Gandhi tried that shit with Hitler and we see where that got him. MrScorpio Aug 2017 #15
+1000 BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #13
I agree. Punch every goddamn one! NightWatcher Aug 2017 #14
The reality, according to a friend of mine working in the faith community in Charlottesville, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #5
Yes. We must resist peacefully. american_ideals Aug 2017 #9

american_ideals

(613 posts)
1. Violence is not acceptable, regardless of who. See Martin Luther King, nonviolent resistance
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:24 PM
Aug 2017

The King philosophy.
http://www.thekingcenter.org/king-philosophy#sub2

We should not resort to violence.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. Much of America does not agree with you
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:01 PM
Aug 2017

Remember the Quentin Tarentino movie "Inglorious Basterds" from 2009? It proved that some of us find entertainment value in war atrocities committed by the "good" side.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. I certainly hope
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:24 PM
Aug 2017

that the anti-fascist groups take your advice into consideration, their words and the tone of them seem to attract white supremacists like a red cape in front of a bull. They're hoping to become sympathetic "victims" from these rallies, they just didn't see Fields doing this.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
4. That's not what civil rights was founded on.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:29 PM
Aug 2017

I don't endorse violence, period.

Dr. King's great insight was that the side that disavows violence in the long run wins.

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_nonviolent_resistance/

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
15. Gandhi tried that shit with Hitler and we see where that got him.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 03:26 AM
Aug 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/interactive/2013/oct/12/mohandas-gandhi-adolf-hitler-letter

The way I look at it, if punching nazis now helps to bring them around, it does them the favor of us not needing to shoot them later.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. I agree. Punch every goddamn one!
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

My grandfather's generation fought nazis to save Europe. If I've got to fight nazis to save America, I'll do what I can.

You cannot defeat evil like nazis, white supremacists, and fascists by peacefully protesting.

I'm not saying we fight in the streets, yet, but if they attack, you better fight back.

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
5. The reality, according to a friend of mine working in the faith community in Charlottesville,
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:36 PM
Aug 2017

is that certain factions of the counter-protestors refused to pledge to be non-violent. When I have people I trust - working on the ground to ensure that "violence on many sides" does not occur - who tells me that they were concerned about violence from our side, it makes it much harder for me to make the statement that Trump's statement as false - or entirely off-base, without qualification.

We should not be using, or cheering violence, and we should be protesting in a manner designed to minimize the possibility that we will be justified in using violence in self-defense.

That said, the most prominent violence I am aware of came from the racist side. Trump had an obligation to name it and condemn it. He failed miserably.

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