"Lived alone with her dog, Violet"....

[hlthe2b]

How poignant a detail that hits me really hard...

And yet the horrific Nazi cretins posted on the now (all too temporarily) defunct StormFront that Heather Heyer's life was worth nothing because she was "obese and not married and had no children"...

Please don't forget that these monsters are not only horrific racists, anti-Semites, anti-immigrants, anti-LGBTQ, anti-democracy--but also the most raging and despicable adherents of misogyny there are in this country.

[shraby]

1. Did it ever occur to that predominately male bunch that maybe she preferred to live that way?

That maybe she looked at the male gender and found it wanting. That maybe she didn't want to bring children into the screwed up world?
Men are not the end all-be all in life no matter how much they think they are.
Some and not by any means all are not worth the time of day.

This is not meant to be a statement against men, but to bring out the fact that all women don't see them with the same eyes. And to denigrate a woman because she is not married with children is just childish.

[smirkymonkey]

4. +1000

[Ligyron]

15. Unfortunately, too many women measure their own worth through the man in their life.

and of course when that is taken away...

[raccoon]

21. Childish, and out of a previous century, 19th at least.

And to denigrate a woman because she is not married with children is just childish.

[Moostache]

25. Not to put too fine a point on it...

But these "people" from the Nazi and Confederate sewers are not exactly deep thinkers...
They do not see any nuance or critical thinking on issues of sex (women are brood mares for the state or property of the husband in their world), or race (non-whites are inferior in their warped world view) or politics (non-conformists to their will are subhumans to be subjugated or killed, nothing more or less will suffice in their minds)...

To people that would carry a tiki-torch and chant "Blood and Soil" while nattily clad in their khakis and polo shirts like some kind of Bret Easton Ellis preppie-gone-mad tome, the world is simply WHITE (good) and BLACK (bad). Binary existence does not allow for thinking, it is advocated for ease of control and as a way to generate unthinking mobs that require nothing more than some "other" or "out-group" to target their rage against.

To those who follow such mindless gibberish as the "alt-right" or KKK or Nazi sympathizers spew, they are going to be victims of something eventually...I just pray that it is in a drunk driving accident, single car hits tree or brick wall variety.

To the so-called "leaders" of this tripe, including sympathizers and cowards like our current POTUS, I hope that these mindless drones you cultivate and offer shelter and cover to and for turn on you. I hope they focus their rage on you and come for you instead of the innocents. And when they do, I hope that they get to you before they are stopped.

You shall reap what you sow. A truism whether one is a biblical believer or a rationalist. What goes in, is indicative of what comes out as surely as throwing a ball into the air will result in it's falling back to Earth without inputs of thrust to overcome gravity.

[sprinkleeninow]

30. Evil is the absence of good.

"You spit up in the air, it'll come back down on you."

Someone posted to plant some heather in tribute to Heather. That's a lovely idea.

May Heather's Memory Be Eternal. 🕯

~sprink

[workinclasszero]

33. "women are brood mares for the state"

Yup typical thought regarding women by nazis, alt-right, religious right and republicans in general.

[AtheistCrusader]

70. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say white supremacy by itself isn't the draw.

There's a MASSIVE overlap between these shitheads and the MRA groups. I think the Nazi thing is good at recruiting disaffected people, by re-directing hate. Harnessing it like a power source. Encouraging it, and channeling it. Any group simmering with hate is a prime recruiting resource to be mined and put to use.

And MRA's are the primary channel they've been using.


We need to find a way to pull people back from that abyss, not just writing them off. I'm not sure exactly how, but it needs to happen, because when they get isolated and ignored, they find their way, sooner or later, into groups like these khaki/polo Nazi fucks.

[demigoddess]

26. + another 1000

[dbackjon]

28. Or maybe she didn't want to get married just because

I know many women who resisted the pressure to get married just to get married until they found the love that was worth waiting for.

Much better way to live that to get married just to fulfill a "social convention"

[demmiblue]

2. That hit me, too.

Two beautiful purple flowers.

Her pupper is going to miss her.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. That makes her sound like a pathetic "old maid," which was maybe the intent,

or maybe just the stereotype of an unmarried woman who lives with a pet but no humans. (A quibble: If she had a dog she wasn't living alone.) I live with cats but no humans; divorced, no kids, and kinda chubby. Any other DUers in the same boat? Worthless old maids who might as well be dead because nobody loves us but our pets?

Fuck that.

Heather Heyer was worth more than a million of those pitiful, hateful, misogynistic, racist, privileged shitstains. Fuck them.

[shenmue]

8. Amen

[bdamomma]

63. I second it

Amen.

[Rainngirl]

14. Amen, Velveteen Ocelot.

I'm in the same "boat," but I like it that way. In general, I have found men horribly deficient in character--especially in my age group. I know people like Pat Robertson would rather see me dead, since I am worthless as an unmarried person in his eyes, but I'd rather spend time with my and other people's dogs and a bunch of amazing older women (all of us, by the way, are invisible to the rest of society) than ANY of those disgusting Nazi-wannabes and their like. Why couldn't it have been one of them who had been mowed down instead of an innocent woman who loved dogs? God, this country has fucked up priorities!

If I am lucky enough to make it to an elder status where I don't have to be a slave to my job and commute, I plan on becoming an old activist, because I HAVE HAD IT with assholes and bad behavior!!! There is no place in this country for the Nazis--most of whom are too stupid to know what all of it actually means--and people who build their lives around hurting people just because they are miserable in their own skin and live in fear.

[raccoon]

22. I'm a happy single senior woman, and live with my cat.

At one time, most women had to have a man for financial support, but those days are fortunately gone with the wind.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Me, too, except that I live with three cats.

I'm retired now, also divorced for many years, and very happy to be living with my furry roommates. I worked full-time or more in several professional capacities for more than 40 years, paying taxes for all those years. Pitiful old cat lady? I don't think so. Those fuckers have no right to tell me I'm useless because I didn't reproduce and my only "partners" are feline.

[Scarsdale]

31. Do not denigrate yourself

because of what those nazis had to say. I did not see any women in their group, with the tiki torches. It would take a special type of female to associate with those LOSERS, with the tRump sons haircuts. Not too manly, are they? Fitting that the "man" they follow, tRump, is obese, not too intelligent, thinks he is God's gift to women. He is not, and most women, with the exception of gold diggers, would not even be attracted by the wealth he claims to have. Heather had something no tRump woman has - HER OWN FACE that she was born with. She had enough self esteem that she did not run off for plastic surgery to make herself more attractive to herself or others. Pretty, natural, with convictions and standards. My deepest sympathy goes to her family. They lost a treasure.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

36. I'm not denigrating myself; I'm doing exactly the opposite.

Read again: I'm happy with my cats and lack of husband and kids. And it sounds like Heather Heyer was happy with her life, too. Those Nazis who denigrated Heather and all women are losers.

[Scarsdale]

39. Mis read. Sorry.

I wonder what these misfits are missing in their lives, that they are so filled with hatred?

[SonofDonald]

49. I'm an older guy, single, cat owner.

And I cherish women, esp older women, color, age, weight, amount of cats are unimportant to me.

My life is better because of women, at my age the fakes are few and easily identifiable, real women are opinionated, intelligent, hard working and value a better world, no time for BS.

They are an absolute pleasure to talk to and be around, I try to do so at every opportunity.

I have never thought I'm gods gift to women.

Women are gods gift to me.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Good for you!

I wish more guys had that attitude.

[Rainngirl]

57. Bless you.

If only there were more of you. We ARE a pretty fun bunch!

[bdamomma]

64. Her mother had some poignant words on Lawrence O'Donnell

regarding the killing of her beautiful daughter, she will not hate, hate becomes more hate. I pray for her and her family her daughter and there are many like Heather out there who believed what she believed and practiced was right.

Very sad.

[johnp3907]

5. Misogyny is always the common link.

[TygrBright]

19. THIS. One hundred thousand times, THIS. n/t

[PearliePoo2]

6. Damn, these people are beyond words disgusting. Feeling so bad for her beloved pup Violet.

She won't understand where mom went but she'll keep waiting for her return, to hear the car, the turn of the doorknob.

[Scarsdale]

34. Also fitting that nobody in

the tRump family owns a pet!! Their servants must not want to take care of them for the family. My late husband used to say "Never trust anyone who does not like dogs"

[PearliePoo2]

44. Nobody named Trump should ever have an animal of any kind.

Your husband is exactly right! The only use Trump spawn have for animals is to trophy hunt them. God, how I detest these bastards.

[bdamomma]

65. oh that is so sad

I hope Heather's mom gives her plenty of love.

[Cracklin Charlie]

7. They have no idea how weak they appear.

Strong, tough guys don't pick on women.

Especially one that was murdered in cold blood.

[shenmue]

9. Indeed

[sagesnow]

10. The projection of their own sad

lonely, hate-filled lives onto Heather, seems like a real evil irony to say the least.

[JI7]

11. So they are angry she had a job and was able to support herself

And focused on fighting against their loser asses.

Losers who think her focus in life should have been trying to appeal to them instead of taking jobs that belonged to them. And forcing them to live in their parents basement and work shit jobs or no jobs. And forcing them to be such losers they can't get a women interested in them.

[flibbitygiblets]

12. Well yes, obviously women can't be fulfilled w/o men & children

There they all are, all...white and...owning penises and everything! And get this--there are women who can support themselves and have the nerve to say "no thanks, pal, not interested in what you're selling". Must be something wrong with the women, right?

Classic last gasp of white male privilege circling the drain.

[Scarsdale]

38. The bastard who drove

the car had to have his Mommy rent an apartment for him.I wonder if that was at the suggestion of his step father? I read that he started a Go Fund Me account BEFORE he drove the car into the crowd. Was it pre-planned? Big hero. Let's see how he makes out in prison, with the REAL tough guys. He has those eyes that are too close together, making him look "strange"

[smirkymonkey]

52. I think you have described them pretty well.

They are so filled with hatred because they have nothing to offer the world and they know it. However they will continue to blame people of other races, women, gays, non-christians, etc. for all the problems in their lives and be eaten alive by their own bitterness because never once will it occur to them that their problem is THEM!

[bdamomma]

66. they would never

admit their short comings on themselves they always blame someone else just like their leader don the con.

God, why don't people just friggin grow up!! this is 2017 isn't it, not 1817.

[TexasBushwhacker]

13. Well, the terrorist was single, chubby and lived alone with a cat n/t

[Fla Dem]

16. Please don't wish that on a cat, or for that matter any animal.

He lived alone with his tiny dick.

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. His mother said she was taking care of his cat while he was at the "rally"

She also said she had "moved him into his own apartment".

[Fla Dem]

29. OK, poor cat, hope it's in a better place with the Mom.

[smirkymonkey]

53. She probably had to pry him out of the basement with a crowbar.

He probably still has her do his laundry. Pathetic loser!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Hitler loved dogs. The fact that this particular scumbag had a cat

doesn't mean he wasn't a lowlife Nazi asshole.

[LakeArenal]

17. I used to counsel people on bankruptcy...

I am a phat girl. I live with a dog.. Also my husband must have had pity on me and married me anyway.

What I know is, financial problems are worse than illness. Sometimes it can't be cured and debt has to be cut out with bankruptcy. It's a trying time for folks and painful. It effects the entire family, sometimes for years. I received so many nice letters "after". People who get a second chance to succeed. Even murders get a second chance. I know Heather Heyer (Keep her name out there) had a lot of job satisfaction. What have the Nazis done?

However, the Nazis just have no empathy.. They may start losing their jobs after being outed.. See ya in bankruptcy court, ass wipes.

[sunonmars]

18. These bastards want us all living like the Handmaids tail.....

[Sunlei]

20. The Republican party always embolden their nazi-voters to attack woman & protesters in general

[bdamomma]

67. this is Bannon's vision.

He hates liberals I only wish I could find that article how much he despises the Californian life style. Bannon has no qualms about showing his Leninist ways. Sorry if I am off topic. It just really sucks what is happening.

[Sunlei]

69. It's his 'life'story. Like many Republicans he's deceptive and will cheat to win.

[catbyte]

23. And NEVER forget that they are that asshole infecting the White House's base.

His empty words today are obscene.

[Honeycombe8]

32. I wonder if she was the woman in one of the pics of the car...there's a woman there....

she seems caught between two vehicles with her back facing camera, her arms outstretched over the windshield of one of the cars. Horrible.

"Obese and not married and no children." That is the Nazi view of women. The German women's main purpose was to have pure German children, while married. And of course, there's ALWAYS a reference to a woman's appearance, whether good or bad.

Despicable people. Low-lifes.

[Solly Mack]

35. K&R

[Lucky Luciano]

40. Yep - those marchers were by far, mostly white "men."

[TeapotInATempest]

41. They literally believe that white women without children are "race traitors"

And this is why they and the GOP are so virulently anti-abortion and anti-contraception. They are angry at being "replaced" as the racial majority in this country.

[shenmue]

46. Dingdingding, you are correct

[smirkymonkey]

54. I think you've hit upon an important point.

It infuriates them that women actually get to CHOOSE whether or not to get married and have children or even how many. This is why they are so threatened by female independence and bodily autonomy.

[Nay]

60. Indeed. The fact that, over the last 40 years, most women have gained

enough independence to decide for themselves when and if they marry and to whom. This infuriates white Nazi men (and, sadly, many men who aren't necessarily Nazis) -- they want, most of all, to have a person who can be their punching bag every day, and wives and children USED to be trapped in that role. Now that this is not the case, their angst is busting out all over.

In conservative Christian terms, women are around to be the punching bag so that society itself does not suffer the predations of unmarried, directionless men. They are also supposed to breed. Other than that, women are useless in their eyes.

[Barack_America]

59. Correct.

[bdamomma]

68. they hate strong women

thus the reason why we never had a woman President, when other countries had one. Strong women too. WTF!!! these cretins feel so threatened by diversity too fucking bad grow up!!

[lunatica]

42. Typical Nazi talk

Hitler told Germans that they needed to have many children so they could become a majority. And now that the US is becoming brown these groups think women should have as many white babies as possible to overcome the brown wave.

They've been screaming about this for ages as the non-white people multiply and overcome the white numbers of citizens.

[Oneironaut]

43. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. That's a fact!

By the way, this is humorous, considering what I saw on the TV: all out of shape neckbeards that looked like that stupid fat guy from American History X.

[Duppers]

45. Kicked and Recommend the OP and...

every post on this thread.

For Miss Heather.

I'm sure your Violet,
and your friends, and family will miss you.

You made the world a better place.

[Doreen]

47. As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

I am obese, not married ( anymore ), unable to have children, poor, and disabled. I am pretty sure as far as they are concerned I am not worth the air I breath. Well, guess what, I am worth it and they are not. I do not care that I am obese because as long as I am happy with myself that is all that counts. There are men who are better than they are. In fact my boyfriend prefers larger women just like others I have met. Men ( women ) who think like that are losers.

[hlthe2b]

48. OMG, is this true? (Nazis planning to attend Heather's funeral?!!!)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029460426

Please, please, please don't let this happen.

[heaven05]

50. I do feel like

crying....so sad...the evil AND HURT that hate can do... and then I get VERY ANGRY...then sad again.

[WinkyDink]

55. Nazi origin---"Kinder, Kuche, Kirche":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder,_K%C3%BCche,_Kirche

In a September 1934 speech to the National Socialist Women's Organization, Adolf Hitler argued that for the German woman her "world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home",[9] a policy which was reinforced by the stress on "Kinder" and "Küche" in propaganda, and the bestowal of the Cross of Honor of the German Mother on women bearing four or more babies.

[Skittles]

56. I have never wanted to be married

I have never needed a man to "complete" me

no pressure from family helps women make their own decisions

[raven mad]

58. To many of them, all a woman is for is to breed.

And to breed their ilk. I'd opt out, too.

[IronLionZion]

61. These nazi assholes are incredibly insecure

blaming others for their problems and spewing hatred towards others instead of doing something useful with their lives like school, jobs, or even doing fun vacation stuff in August like normal people. They join up these hate groups in a desperate bid to feel strong and in control. And of course they need to blame the victim they killed.

Great, now I have to worry about people killing me for being overweight and single, not just for being brown anymore.

Heather Heyer sounds like a wonderful person. I hope Violet gets a good home.

[bdamomma]

62. that's what happens

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when we have a pu**y grabber in the WH, how can people respect or admire this POS. don the con deserves nothing he is nothing but a criminal. I am off topic again.

My prayers are for Heather's family. Her mother will be an advocate for something I believe she will do something for the greater good of her daughter's legacy.