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Trump Just Said that Wages Will Have an Impact on Racists. (Original Post) VermontKevin Aug 2017 OP
He's stolen all of his lines from others. Blurring the lines. bettyellen Aug 2017 #1
Yes. Farthest Left and Farthest Right. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #2
And Sanders took down two tweets blaming Trump and replaced them w a milder one... bettyellen Aug 2017 #4
What????? What the hell happened? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #6
He took down two tweets directly blaming Trump- kept rewriting them. bettyellen Aug 2017 #7
Given that far right parties grow during and after economic downturns mythology Aug 2017 #3
Yet, the ignorance and hatred grew along with Obamas booming economy. So, nope. bettyellen Aug 2017 #5
4% unemployment does not translate to booming economy when the poverty level is 20% loyalsister Aug 2017 #8
By all measures, the failing GOP economy helped usher in Obama bettyellen Aug 2017 #10
It is not only inaccurate loyalsister Aug 2017 #11
Only if you think Obama's race had nothing to do with a resurgence of racism. I can't buy that. bettyellen Aug 2017 #12
I'm not talking about Obama loyalsister Aug 2017 #13
So you want to remove Obama from a discussion of the resurgence of racism over the last 8-10 years? bettyellen Aug 2017 #14
Come On, Sis! ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #15
I have talked with some loyalsister Aug 2017 #16
And That Made Them "Become" Racists? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #17
Of course loyalsister Aug 2017 #18
Ah! Now I Get You! ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #19
history reveals how it works loyalsister Aug 2017 #20
he's insane. spanone Aug 2017 #9
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. And Sanders took down two tweets blaming Trump and replaced them w a milder one...
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 04:58 PM
Aug 2017

Meanwhile, the hateful rhetoric continues and women and POC are under attack everyday.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. He took down two tweets directly blaming Trump- kept rewriting them.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:54 PM
Aug 2017

To sound less harsh. People were speculating he was afraid people would blame him for that baseball game shooter? I don't know, it's just not a good look.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. Given that far right parties grow during and after economic downturns
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

It's a supported premise.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/far-right-parties-always-gain-support-after-financial-crises-report-finds/

Humanity has an exceptionally long history of proving that it's really easy to cover economic or othrr issues with hating some other group. Whether it's Germans deciding that Jewish people were the cause of economic problems, or Milgram's experiments proving that people can be pressured into shocking people, or the Rwandan genocide, or the brutality in the Yugoslavian wars. We (yes including almost all of the people who swear left, right and sideways that they wouldn't) have the capacity for evil inside us.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
8. 4% unemployment does not translate to booming economy when the poverty level is 20%
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:07 PM
Aug 2017

And people who work more than one job are especially unimpressed by those numbers.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
10. By all measures, the failing GOP economy helped usher in Obama
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:21 PM
Aug 2017

And although he brought great improvement, racism grew exponentially. It's not economic anxiety. No matter how desperately people want to paint it as such, it's not accurate.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. It is not only inaccurate
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:24 PM
Aug 2017

it is a denial of US and even world history to dispute that there is a connection between economic anxiety and racism.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. Only if you think Obama's race had nothing to do with a resurgence of racism. I can't buy that.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:28 PM
Aug 2017

Especially since economically we have a big variance to the pattern you're pointing to. It's basically a reversal of the pattern and that has nothing to do w Obamas skin color? Oh please. It's fear of the future, not a reaction to anything real.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. I'm not talking about Obama
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

There has been a major hunger problem in my state and high poverty. Somehow the people having those experiences were unconvinced when he talked about great economic indicators.
I'm talking about people who have difficulty feeding their kids. What they don't want to hear is cheerful bragging about how great things are for everyone else. Then the rhetoric about jobs good being stolen was pushed hard along with the enduring talking point about a disappearing middle class.

The republicans successfully shifted the blame from congress to their fellow citizens of color. It was very convenient for them that there were people who were still not doing so well with the black manager. The republicans tapped into the big lie that white supremacists have always been selling. The one dad and grandpa repeated regularly about the negative influence of racial advancement on their employment and potential for success.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. So you want to remove Obama from a discussion of the resurgence of racism over the last 8-10 years?
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:06 PM
Aug 2017

Seriously? Can't do that. His skin color is why people were so easily turned against him. Why they could ignore the reality in the ground.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
15. Come On, Sis!
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:11 PM
Aug 2017

You're excusing the scumbags
The erosion of middle class buying power started 35 years ago!
Most of these clueless drones weren't even born yet
They're dickheads because they've chosen to be dickheads!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
16. I have talked with some
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:59 AM
Aug 2017

There are people working more than one job and barely surviving. Adults with at least one child have to have an income of less than $5000 annually before they qualify for Medicaid. They can pay rent and pay the fine or buy health insurance.
That is by design. The republicans refused to expand Medicaid. The people I'm talking about have barely enough energy to get through the day. They are reasonably pissed and would rather blame an outside force than their families.
It's as popular to blame them for our conditions as it is for many of them to blame minorities. Different target, same m.o. and the same brand of hate.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
18. Of course
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:32 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not saying they didn't harbor the same kinds of racist attitudes I see even among people who claim not to be. I'm saying that they were encouraged to blame particular groups of people and they went along with it rather than blame policy makers.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
19. Ah! Now I Get You!
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 12:40 PM
Aug 2017

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The economic situation put them in the position where they were looking for a scapegoat and then along comes "it".

I get you now!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
20. history reveals how it works
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 03:03 PM
Aug 2017

Politicians have done it again and again. People in dire economic straits don't want to blame themselves or the children they have to clothe.
So, in election years the "they're stealing your jobs" "you haven't gotten rightful promotions because of them." Directing, harnessing, and stoking anger towards an "other" is a campaign technique US politicians have been using as early as our founding when Native Americans came to be known as the intruders. People from a range of economic demographics responded to a message that suggested an other planned to or already was stealing from them - the real Americans. A theme Teddy Roosevelt pushed and every president since has endorsed.

The "American Dream" and "American exceptionalism" are both built on racism and convincing the majority to be workers with little reward, and even to fight and die in wars of choice because they are the desired "real" Americans. It is deeply embedded in our culture and pretending that there is just a flawed set of humans who have bad ideas that have no basis in historical or cultural ideals is ignoring a big part of what drives it.

What just happened in Charlotte and the 2016 election is exactly who we are as a country.


Charlottesville is America. For far too many Americans, we are not better than this, and we never have been. The arc of American history has much more bending to do before justice even enters the frame.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/tony-messenger/messenger-charlottesville-teaches-me-what-i-got-wrong-about-ferguson/article_129a8335-4831-5670-a9db-201a530ce5dc.html?utm_content=bufferdc10a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC


I have seen and heard justifications for police shootings, and criticism of civil disobedience protesting institutional racism among my liberal friends.

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