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Pence is canceling the test of his international trip and coming home tomorrow (Original Post) NightWatcher Aug 2017 OP
No, volstork Aug 2017 #1
Probably just trying to help do damage control, wouldn't get my hopes up! Luciferous Aug 2017 #2
That's exactly what it is bearsfootball516 Aug 2017 #8
Any chance of a resignation? Vinca Aug 2017 #3
to change dumpster's depends? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #4
Maybe they are going to stage an intervention .... VMA131Marine Aug 2017 #5
No one is listening to him - he has lost all credibility along with the POS asiliveandbreathe Aug 2017 #6
I've been reading nobody is buying what he's been peddling. No one Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #13
"Mike, I want you to come in and pledge loyalty to me again" dalton99a Aug 2017 #7
Cool! Another Trump foreign policy triumph! Woo hoo. Judi Lynn Aug 2017 #9
What did I miss while I was gone? L. Coyote Aug 2017 #10
I think he's going to quit VMA131Marine Aug 2017 #11
Can't pardon until charged. And even then it's only for federal level crimes. Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #14
Was Nixon charged? BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #16
No and it used "any" to include any new charges grantcart Aug 2017 #19
Interesting. I learned something new. Thank you. BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #20
Really? Nixon was never charged grantcart Aug 2017 #18
I don't think that is true. n/t Chemisse Aug 2017 #21
It is somewhat vague in some senses, yet: Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #23
Yes, that is what I was thinking about. Chemisse Aug 2017 #25
The real fun will be the civil suits grantcart Aug 2017 #28
Bye Trump!! SweetieD Aug 2017 #12
Trying to get his alternative face in front of the cameras. Iggo Aug 2017 #15
Seeing as he just said he supports Trump's position, I'm not looking forward to another OliverQ Aug 2017 #17
Charlottseville is a turning point and they need all hands on deck eleny Aug 2017 #22
he is being treated like the poser he is Skittles Aug 2017 #24
For his swearing in ceremony? joeybee12 Aug 2017 #26
Wait wait what? Sedona Aug 2017 #27

bearsfootball516

(6,376 posts)
8. That's exactly what it is
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017

It's been reported for the last couple days that his trip has basically been useless. He's probably better utilized trying to put out fires in the US.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. No one is listening to him - he has lost all credibility along with the POS
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:40 PM
Aug 2017

in the WH -

TRUTH - a pure word..will always win out.....Persist, Resist!!!!

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
9. Cool! Another Trump foreign policy triumph! Woo hoo.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017

He was so popular, he didn't feel right about basking in so much adoration, decided he'd better get back to his job.

VMA131Marine

(4,137 posts)
11. I think he's going to quit
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:42 PM
Aug 2017

provided that Pence agrees to pardon him. He will announce that he tried but the country isn't good enough for him.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
14. Can't pardon until charged. And even then it's only for federal level crimes.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 02:06 PM
Aug 2017

Mueller's recommendations don't have to be just federal, they can be handed off to the state level.

Trump stepped up to the big leagues and wasn't prepared for it.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. Really? Nixon was never charged
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:25 PM
Aug 2017

I think you are correct that the current procedures line up that way but the wording in the constitution is pretty absolute.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
23. It is somewhat vague in some senses, yet:
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-and-presidential-pardons-what-you-need-to-know-w491794

The president's pardon power is extreme – it applies to any federal crimes, is entirely within the president's discretion and is completely unreviewable (with one important exception that I'll get to in a bit).

The Constitution is quite clear about this. Article II, section 2 states, "The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." No one else has this power – not Congress, nor the federal courts.

This pardon power has limits, but not any that are relevant here. For instance, Trump would not be able to pardon someone for a state, local or foreign crime. He also could not protect someone from having a lawsuit brought against him, either in federal or state court.


What you're thinking of is:

"The president's power even extends to people who have not yet been charged with a crime."

But what we're talking about is that he won't be charged with a federal crime, he'll be charged through various states instead, and he cannot pardon that.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
25. Yes, that is what I was thinking about.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:24 PM
Aug 2017

I assumed we were talking about federal charges.

It will be fun seeing him trying to squirm out of state charges, should they be filed.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
17. Seeing as he just said he supports Trump's position, I'm not looking forward to another
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:24 PM
Aug 2017

Nazi defender, Evangelical lunatic taking over the Presidency.

Can we just do a double impeachment?

eleny

(46,166 posts)
22. Charlottseville is a turning point and they need all hands on deck
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:05 PM
Aug 2017

But what a sorry state of affairs if they feel they need Pence to help them dig out of this quicksand.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
24. he is being treated like the poser he is
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:09 PM
Aug 2017

Trump has lost all respect and hopefully all his suckups will lose all respect too

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