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Beringia

(4,313 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:52 PM Aug 2017

William Rivers Pitt: Coward-in-Chief: Trump Wilts in the Face of Fascist Terrorism

Here is the car, stopped along Monticello Avenue in Charlottesville, Virginia. It has clearly been involved in a high-speed incident. Video shows this same car -- allegedly driven by one James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio -- plowing into a crowd of peaceful anti-fascist protesters at high speed. When it reversed to escape, the damaged fender swung wide, and a shoe clearly bounced out of the grille. The roar of the engine fades, leaving in its wake screams and curses.

According to everything we have heard from the federal government about vehicles being used as weapons worldwide, everything we have heard from the White House and Homeland Security on the issue, everything we have heard in the news media after London and Paris, this was an ISIS-style terrorist attack deliberately perpetrated against a crowd of innocent people to lethal effect.

This was terrorism. By the book. Someone should probably tell the president. He doesn't seem to get it.

The short version: A well-organized pack of white supremacists, Nazis, Klan members and generalized fascists tried to hold a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday, ostensibly to protest the removal of a monument to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Large numbers showed up, greeted not only by law enforcement and angry locals, but by a sizeable contingent of anti-fascist activists who came prepared to shout them down.

full article
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41604-coward-in-chief-trump-wilts-in-the-face-of-fascist-terrorism

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William Rivers Pitt: Coward-in-Chief: Trump Wilts in the Face of Fascist Terrorism (Original Post) Beringia Aug 2017 OP
any fool could have told you that Trump would be like this dsc Aug 2017 #1
WELP. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #3
New thread title: COWARDLY WRITER WRITES ABOUT COWARD-IN-CHIEF! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #5
Bazinga! George II Aug 2017 #28
Winner! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #30
.... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #50
Daaaaaaamn! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #60
Perfect graphic for that post Autumn Aug 2017 #218
Now this is worth rec'ing. Amimnoch Aug 2017 #83
The only thing I'd add would be "bad" between cowardly and writer. betsuni Aug 2017 #84
Truth!!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #92
. nini Aug 2017 #113
Ding ding ding. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #136
Never ever donheld Aug 2017 #485
It will make me laugh my ass off when he turns on his fan club. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #511
How about an apology? Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #516
Saw this post removed and was surprised, great to see it back! betsuni Aug 2017 #212
Yes! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #215
Seems like a more appropriate title lunasun Aug 2017 #255
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #260
Very courageous of them to attack a DUer who can't defend himself isn't it? TastyTaters Aug 2017 #263
It's how they roll. n/t QC Aug 2017 #273
The names change, their hate and nastiness remains the same. Autumn Aug 2017 #306
If it makes you feel better, he was indefensible when he was on DU, too. Orrex Aug 2017 #276
Wait, WHAT? He called Obama a used car salesman? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #428
If memory serves... Orrex Aug 2017 #435
Here are the Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #566
Why is the link to his garbage still up here? Surely it was sent to jury, you know what that tells Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #567
This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #569
He is no longer a DUer, nice try. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #282
He's FFR. Will won't create a sock to post here at DU. You being a new sign up from last month, Autumn Aug 2017 #316
Well. Looks like he posted downthread, but you missed it. nt R B Garr Aug 2017 #317
One post? Autumn Aug 2017 #318
Well. There goes your theory. R B Garr Aug 2017 #319
Because you say so? I remember a former poster, now FFR who was very racist. It was amazing how Autumn Aug 2017 #326
It still blows your theory. You're just making exceptions now typical of the R B Garr Aug 2017 #328
Do you have a screen cap of the post by Will? Pardon me if I don't take your word. Autumn Aug 2017 #329
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #330
He posted to stick up for himself in a thread attacking him. He disn't post his articles Autumn Aug 2017 #334
I don't see any evidence he posted. Nyuk nyuk Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #341
A screen cap would do it. Autumn Aug 2017 #342
Uh huh R B Garr Aug 2017 #359
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2017 #331
Do you have screen caps? Of the mysterious person who was supposedly racist? nt R B Garr Aug 2017 #357
I'm done with this discussion since a MIRT member posted the MIRT message about the banned poster Autumn Aug 2017 #397
Your request for "screen caps", along with another member joining in with R B Garr Aug 2017 #399
I'm not on his FB and you were the one hinting that it was Will. You want screen caps of your Autumn Aug 2017 #401
Then why would I post something that you admit you are unwilling to post? R B Garr Aug 2017 #402
I got on FB, since he is public I saw Will ask if anyone who could post on DU would give his Autumn Aug 2017 #410
You are contradicting yourself again. You acknowledge downthread that you know R B Garr Aug 2017 #411
You ignore the part where he asked if anyone still on DU could post it. Have a nice day. nt Autumn Aug 2017 #424
lol, obviously he asked if someone could post it, which they did. R B Garr Aug 2017 #441
I know who you refer to and she is good people...one could consider what happened to her as unfair. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #423
Skinner said, it doesn't take a lot to not get banned or flagged. Just be civil. Have a nice day. n Autumn Aug 2017 #425
Calling her a racist is certainly not civil or fair. R B Garr Aug 2017 #443
Like Will, that person is not a member here, that tidbit is posted all over in this thread . nt Autumn Aug 2017 #446
That's weird it was linked here, then. Flamebait? R B Garr Aug 2017 #447
Will is a known writer,articles by writers are posted here all the time. One of the features of DU. Autumn Aug 2017 #450
Aren't there TOS rules, though? Support Democrats. R B Garr Aug 2017 #452
I read his work at Truthout. He seems to support the Democratic party and it's values. Autumn Aug 2017 #455
But he made a stand here against the Democrat on R B Garr Aug 2017 #458
In a blue state a missed vote doesn't change the fact that Hillary won the election by over Autumn Aug 2017 #462
Someone already pointed out that New Hampshire went to Bush in 2000, R B Garr Aug 2017 #464
I have no interest in discussing any past election or any voters and the choice they made. Autumn Aug 2017 #466
Trump sucked before Nov. 8th, as well. He was an obvious con man. R B Garr Aug 2017 #468
No, Trump and his campaign brought us Trump. YMMV but that's my opinion, I don't do hate. Autumn Aug 2017 #470
Russian hacking is also real. Trump is under FBI investigation. R B Garr Aug 2017 #472
Hillary is history, get over it... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #550
You've got to be kidding. Get over what?? Trump being president? R B Garr Aug 2017 #551
I'm just saying, as a party we need to get over Hillary's loss and move on... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #552
On the other hand 2020 might be her year. ucrdem Aug 2017 #553
"Coming down hard on her" is why we lost. Too much divisiveness for a prolonged R B Garr Aug 2017 #554
A lot of people voted for Trump out of protest, even though they suspected he wouldn't be good... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #555
At least you admit the strategy didn't care that a Republican R B Garr Aug 2017 #557
I'm not talking about a "far left" strategy in this case... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #560
I figured this was just another divisive exercise to cap on "Hillary supporters" R B Garr Aug 2017 #561
Anti-Hillary rhetoric is no longer relevant as we look to the future... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #562
Well, when Democrats are maligned as corrupt and R B Garr Aug 2017 #563
I'm not defending whatever it was that William Pitt said that got him booted... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #564
And he used his 'writing' to attack the Democratic nominee..what a guy. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #505
Or not admit who you voted for in the GE. n/t seaglass Aug 2017 #503
I smell Hillary hate in this thread, real stanky too. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #429
I know exactly what you mean. R B Garr Aug 2017 #445
Funny thing is if you ask them why they so dislike her, what her Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #451
Yes, and that's why the Russian propaganda machines had such easy pickings. R B Garr Aug 2017 #456
Something Hillary said in 1993 will be taken out of context and repeated over and over betsuni Aug 2017 #465
Certainly the most qualified n/t jaysunb Aug 2017 #556
Autumn! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #481
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #378
+100 mahina Aug 2017 #388
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #277
Lol MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #278
How mature... WoonTars Aug 2017 #293
Perhaps. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #294
LOL! Squinch Aug 2017 #340
Another woman who ALWAYS supported DUers Generic Other Aug 2017 #356
Yup and worked to bring Obama down Egnever Aug 2017 #6
Obama, the used car salesman? Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #16
That's only the second half of it, the complete comment was "piece of shit used car salesman". George II Aug 2017 #29
Dear god, I bet the preson who said that isnt fit to wipe Obama's ass anymore Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #430
Don't forget his Trojan Horse article... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #33
The point is very few in the media spoke out against Trump Generic Other Aug 2017 #39
the fact the others misbehaved as badly as he did doesn't make it OK dsc Aug 2017 #43
DSC we have been arguing on DU since its inception Generic Other Aug 2017 #53
I think if people want to discredit Pitt or anyone defacto7 Aug 2017 #64
I am the last person to act all prim and proper about civility Generic Other Aug 2017 #75
I hope I live up to the same ideal. Not always easy. defacto7 Aug 2017 #76
Everyone didn't vote for HRC. There are some "returners" here, some in this very thread, Squinch Aug 2017 #344
I said I would NEVER vote for her and yet I did Generic Other Aug 2017 #360
And some here are on other sites saying they did not vote for her. Squinch Aug 2017 #363
She won and Russians stole it Generic Other Aug 2017 #366
He threatened to kill a DUer, he was disgusting about Obama, he vowed not to vote for Hillary, he Squinch Aug 2017 #373
Drama Queen? Generic Other Aug 2017 #383
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with my post. Squinch Aug 2017 #385
People do not respond well to having their mothers insulted Generic Other Aug 2017 #386
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #412
Again, nothing to do with my post. Squinch Aug 2017 #414
then they should be KICKED THE HELL OFF of this website Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #432
Any fool would have known that. longship Aug 2017 #91
The man who wrote this has no right to complain as he refused to vote for Hillary! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #2
... and all who admire him or defend him or excuse him or validate him or flatter him. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #23
Fuckin' A Rights! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #26
"...and all who admire him or defend him or excuse him or validate him or flatter him". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #95
ABsolutely, by the way they are very busy right now attacking Kamala Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #434
Finally, someone said it. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #492
I don't get it? JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #512
It's always best to... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #518
Ohhh! JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #519
I fixed it. It's a image related to The Purge horror movies. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #525
Pitt purged himself. R B Garr Aug 2017 #534
You misread my post and the post it is commenting upon. It's about purging other DUers. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #536
No I didn't misread it. R B Garr Aug 2017 #537
Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair! H2O Man Aug 2017 #232
Bwahahahahahahahaha! countryjake Aug 2017 #235
That is not true.... FarPoint Aug 2017 #291
Remember when he called Obama a Piece of shit used car salesman? Adrahil Aug 2017 #333
This message was self-deleted by its author donheld Aug 2017 #337
He is proof...took me three minutes on Google. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #339
Ah, that's just used car salesman Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #346
Google it...you will see it when you click on it ...it was self deleted but did say it clearly. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #400
Here you go! MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #348
See....it was a brief rant of frustration. FarPoint Aug 2017 #409
A brief rant of frustration? mcar Aug 2017 #416
Brief rant? How long does it take to briefly turn a Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #436
Actually no I don't... FarPoint Aug 2017 #349
He did. See above. I would not have asserted it otherwise. Adrahil Aug 2017 #367
Far point, are you so sure? We now know that social media was and is Hortensis Aug 2017 #420
I know Will Pitt... FarPoint Aug 2017 #442
You don't even know him... FarPoint Aug 2017 #303
Thank you for sayin so Generic Other Aug 2017 #368
I interacted with him in the "political arena." I don't think any poster here should feel ashamed. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #524
STOP POSTING THIS GUY'S CRAP HERE. HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM THIS SITE. brush Aug 2017 #4
Absolutely. Kingofalldems Aug 2017 #7
I value what he has to say. This is not about Hillary. n/t Beringia Aug 2017 #8
He has lost his audience here... Phentex Aug 2017 #12
Sort of. LWolf Aug 2017 #224
I was thinking about you the other day MuseRider Aug 2017 #262
(ditto). . . n/t annabanana Aug 2017 #298
I think that our founding fathers could not survive the Pitt standard Generic Other Aug 2017 #371
Hi, Muse! LWolf Aug 2017 #504
I have an old mare just like that. MuseRider Aug 2017 #522
Looking forward to the school year, to be sure. LWolf Aug 2017 #545
Aww good luck. MuseRider Aug 2017 #547
Will was the first DUer PatSeg Aug 2017 #322
You are thrice wrong GusBob Aug 2017 #13
No, this is about TRUMP. which is who William Rivers Pitt supported in 2016. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #14
I guess you think I am a Nazi too? Generic Other Aug 2017 #56
Unlike the Nazi Pitt, you voted for Clinton. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #69
The way you are foaming at the mouth and spewing such nonsense you seem to have an axe to grind. TastyTaters Aug 2017 #265
Pitt is not a Nazi Generic Other Aug 2017 #372
Can't find the info zentrum Aug 2017 #90
He didn't. That won't stop the DU outrage machine tho Arazi Aug 2017 #96
True. zentrum Aug 2017 #173
He proclaimed openly in an article he would not vote for Hillary Foamfollower Aug 2017 #133
Not supporting Hillary zentrum Aug 2017 #174
Agreed. Saying all non-Hillary voters are Nazis dilutes the meaning of that word. Beartracks Aug 2017 #191
tRump is still early in his term. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #254
How dare your say such a thing LovesPNW Aug 2017 #287
NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HILLARY. HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM THE SITE. brush Aug 2017 #20
You want people to judge a post on its own merit???! Beartracks Aug 2017 #259
What does that mean? The guy's work has been banned from this site yet someone keeps posting it. brush Aug 2017 #261
It has? Dennis Donovan Aug 2017 #421
One more time. The guy has been banned. Among other vile things he did here is threaten to kill... brush Aug 2017 #479
FFR is not a ban Dennis Donovan Aug 2017 #487
Check the other responses to the thread. Apparently you weren't here when he spewed his vileness brush Aug 2017 #510
mmmkay... Dennis Donovan Aug 2017 #517
Why do you value what he says? mcar Aug 2017 #70
I value what he says Beringia Aug 2017 #93
Well alrighty then mcar Aug 2017 #98
his good mind told him to be a shithead which helped get Trump elected, so... LibraLiz1973 Aug 2017 #150
His good mind called Obama a "Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman". MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #208
Prove it donheld Aug 2017 #336
Why yes I can prove it: MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #347
"you piece of shit used-car salesman" to be precise. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #350
Nope it's about that Nazi he voted for. Why bring that crap here? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #71
He voted for Bernie. Last time i checked, Bernie wasn't a nazi. WoonTars Aug 2017 #281
He voted for Trump, encouraged others to do so, if he truly did vote for Bernie in the Ninsianna Aug 2017 #521
No matter how you twist and spin it, he wrote down the name 'Bernie Sanders' WoonTars Aug 2017 #528
No matter how one lies to twist and spin and attack those who point out that Ninsianna Aug 2017 #558
I'm not the one lying. WoonTars Aug 2017 #559
So Bernie Sanders is a Nazi? donheld Aug 2017 #345
So, Bernie Sanders is now Donald Trump? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #520
So go read him...but why post his stuff here? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #426
And he publicly advocated not to vote for Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #27
Remember why he called Obama POSUCS? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #40
Yes -- and I THINK I called him out on that obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #300
Could you please provide a link showing Will advocating for people not to vote for Hillary? mahina Aug 2017 #387
Now I remember that I forgot to set a block where his name appears in the title phylny Aug 2017 #115
Agreed. He actively worked against Hillary which means LibraLiz1973 Aug 2017 #146
A large barrel of antiintelectual dog vomit... Ellipsis Aug 2017 #246
+1000. Was about to hide thread without even looking inside ecstatic Aug 2017 #256
+1000 stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #327
But her emails... JHB Aug 2017 #9
He is a banned poster here. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #10
Wasn't around for that. What was his justification? Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #11
He hated her guts. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #15
What a dumbass. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #17
Were you here when he called Obama... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #22
Spell it out - "Piece of shit used car salesman". Our DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT!!!! George II Aug 2017 #34
YEP.... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #45
Like I said earlier, those are the people to SHAME and BLAME for what might Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #437
Sad. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #438
I honest to god did NOT know if it was safe to talk about the Clinton's here in Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #439
It is. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #440
no I left because of him way before that grantcart Aug 2017 #80
I don't think so. I've sort of wondered in and out over the years. Gravitycollapse Aug 2017 #52
He didn't vote for Trump. Hissyspit Aug 2017 #220
+1 TastyTaters Aug 2017 #264
Of course he didn't. annabanana Aug 2017 #297
Purity. Kingofalldems Aug 2017 #18
He's not that good of a writer either. It's all so contrived. He's trying too hard (and failing.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #21
True...yet he thinks he is. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #24
Such Fevered Purple Prose, should maybe try his hand at trashy fiction. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #32
He did - see his words in the OP. George II Aug 2017 #35
He'd probably make a fortune with bodice rippers. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #36
OMG... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #49
Are you saying he's like Louise Mensch TSIAS Aug 2017 #197
Actually, he's not banned pintobean Aug 2017 #149
Same thing sheshe2 Aug 2017 #188
Pitt is as responsible for Trump as anyone. Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #19
Please delete this. That poster's violent history has no place Pathwalker Aug 2017 #25
Yup, folks are forgetting he threatened to murder another DUer obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #31
As I hear it, he was "drunk" during that episode. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #37
which, as we know, is not an excuse obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #47
I have never forgotten that, nor how quick so many were to Pathwalker Aug 2017 #38
He used to get 100 recs in 5 minutes or less whenever he posted. Kingofalldems Aug 2017 #41
USED to. Hopefully, those days are over. Pathwalker Aug 2017 #44
It is not hero worship to support a long-time DU poster Generic Other Aug 2017 #59
I've only been here since 2002, so I guess I wouldn't know. Pathwalker Aug 2017 #65
You do know Will Pitt delivered the eulogy at Andy's funeral? Generic Other Aug 2017 #68
None of this means I have to respect him, and I don't. Pathwalker Aug 2017 #73
This thread is the very definition of groupthink Generic Other Aug 2017 #78
it is actually the opposite of group think obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #85
The Admns actually should have also contacted the police obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #48
That was a sad day for DU. Did we ever hear from her again? Pathwalker Aug 2017 #51
no obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #54
Thst's what I thought. Thank you for letting me know. Pathwalker Aug 2017 #58
And he did not know the poster when she attacked his mother Generic Other Aug 2017 #61
And Pitt supported Trump mcar Aug 2017 #74
Edited for inaccuracy Generic Other Aug 2017 #79
Stop giving voice here to people who aided and abetted a sociopath Nazi mcar Aug 2017 #81
There's an ignore button if you don't want to read what I say Generic Other Aug 2017 #102
Where did I say Pitt was a Nazi? mcar Aug 2017 #104
Edited for inaccuracy Generic Other Aug 2017 #111
he wrote thread after FB thread attacking Hillary and supporting TRump obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #87
supporting trump? annabanana Aug 2017 #413
Did he also encourage others to leave the ballot blank? If so he's responsible Ninsianna Aug 2017 #120
I am pretty sure he said he had the luxury of not voting Generic Other Aug 2017 #121
There were a lot of white men and women who felt they had that luxury. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #123
I understand your feelings Generic Other Aug 2017 #132
No sheshe2 Aug 2017 #186
Those are NOT on the fence Generic Other Aug 2017 #196
Nope. Those poor people have enough confusing them, since they're not Ninsianna Aug 2017 #194
The Hillary hate has been deliberately fostered for sure Generic Other Aug 2017 #203
They need to have their own moment to come to reason, they knew what Trump was Ninsianna Aug 2017 #244
Marshall Plan POSTWAR Generic Other Aug 2017 #364
So not slaughtering them after we slaughtered their civilians was an act of great Ninsianna Aug 2017 #523
New Hampshire wasn't a sure thing mcar Aug 2017 #125
He had the luxury? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #137
He must have known she would carry his state Generic Other Aug 2017 #145
He must have known? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #153
Well we also drive potential voters away Generic Other Aug 2017 #164
The outcome is never a foregone conclusion. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #175
Are you serious? Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire by less than THREE THOUSAND VOTES! George II Aug 2017 #187
No way as a former MA resident was he unaware NH is more purple than blue. NH seaglass Aug 2017 #205
Each person who rags on a candidate, whoever it is, inflicts that crap Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #459
Nope. Not ever. WoonTars Aug 2017 #274
She won by 3,000 votes in his state. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #286
Calling someone a liar is not appropriate, I think. MineralMan Aug 2017 #321
Deliberately mis-representing someone's point of view is fine though? WoonTars Aug 2017 #358
Clarification: This is a board for Democrats, so the "purity" tests were R B Garr Aug 2017 #370
My house is fine thank you very much... WoonTars Aug 2017 #377
If you subvert the basic meaning of things, then it brings into question R B Garr Aug 2017 #384
I think you have that precisely backwards... WoonTars Aug 2017 #389
No, you are the one who has it backwards. The "purity" standards applied to supposedly impure R B Garr Aug 2017 #393
Who cares if he insylted his mom -- and he supported TRump! obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #86
So target me next? Generic Other Aug 2017 #109
Will Pitt was the first to welcome me when I was a "newbie". oasis Aug 2017 #185
He used his paltform to urge people nt to vote for Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #271
My post doesn't give Will Pitt a pass oasis Aug 2017 #284
You aren't being 'targeted' or 'driven away'. Please drop the rhetorical melodrama/martyrdom emulatorloo Aug 2017 #209
I thought you said you voted for Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #270
In spite of the meanspiritedness of some of her allies, I did Generic Other Aug 2017 #352
William Pitt did NOT support Trump. Ever. donheld Aug 2017 #486
Yup. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #103
The guy who called Obama a used car salesman and didn't vote for Hillary... hrmjustin Aug 2017 #42
None Egnever Aug 2017 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author iemitsu Aug 2017 #57
Why. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #62
Do you have a link to this post? Generic Other Aug 2017 #63
He lives in NH....moved there from MA. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #67
I did not see these threads but he stated on election day Generic Other Aug 2017 #72
Where did he state that on election day? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #82
He also posts on other social media and Truthout Generic Other Aug 2017 #89
This is one thread. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #100
When does DU get its pound of flesh? Generic Other Aug 2017 #117
There is a reason for the disdain of William Pitt on DU, and it isn't unfounded. still_one Aug 2017 #147
Not getting single payer is what has put Obamacare in jeopardy Generic Other Aug 2017 #160
The high rates are not the fault of Obama. JHan Aug 2017 #169
Boom! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #189
Nailed it! I don't know how you could be any CLEARER. Still, unfortunately... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #206
Lol.... JHan Aug 2017 #217
His wife WAS COVERED FOR HER MEDS, and Mr. "know it all" opened his big mouth before knowing all still_one Aug 2017 #179
Holy Shit I agree with Chomsky! Egnever Aug 2017 #199
Even Bernie ADMITTED sheshe2 Aug 2017 #182
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #285
"Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance" MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #288
It was not possible...and I for one am thankful we got something...it changed the way Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #506
Thank you, still_one. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #178
This is just a pure flamebait thread. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the garbage that Pitt still_one Aug 2017 #180
Ya. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #183
I wasn't around for Pitt BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #320
I agree G_j Aug 2017 #230
You realize who was doing most of what you refer to? Follow the link bellow for the an still_one Aug 2017 #325
No offense but drop the strawmen and hyperbole and people might engage you. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #107
Thank you, emulatorloo. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #110
I misread the post and apologized Generic Other Aug 2017 #114
Good for you. Maybe you could go further and self-delete that post where you accused him falsely emulatorloo Aug 2017 #116
I edited the post to take responsibility for my error Generic Other Aug 2017 #119
Dude I am not "raging mad" about anything or anyone, especially op-ed writers emulatorloo Aug 2017 #124
he posted scores and scores of posts saying this on FB obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #88
But you can't find a quote? Generic Other Aug 2017 #94
The whole strawman argument that, "you need to give us an argument to vote for you" is bullshit still_one Aug 2017 #158
Actually. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #190
Does it matter what state, whether it's red or BLUE, in which he votes? George II Aug 2017 #177
he wrote in bernie, so yeah, essentially, did not vote. mopinko Aug 2017 #315
Wow, YOU saw him do that??? You're amazing. Unless you were there with him. This is a lie. auntAgonist Aug 2017 #488
that is what he said on fb. mopinko Aug 2017 #489
I hear he had the "luxury" of not voting Clinton. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #156
Stop polluting this site murielm99 Aug 2017 #66
I agree William Rivers Pitt is a coward BainsBane Aug 2017 #77
I've been a DU member since early 2002 mcar Aug 2017 #97
Thank you for the history of the author. Much appreciated. riversedge Aug 2017 #130
His Mom told him to delete. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #192
He had a pattern of doing that mcar Aug 2017 #211
Thank you for this background. I had an unpleasant experience with this gentleman IRL. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #515
I like Will. His FB group is great too. Thanks for posting this Arazi Aug 2017 #99
You are welcome Beringia Aug 2017 #108
Yup, shortsighted and dangerous. He's not the bad guy DU paints him as Arazi Aug 2017 #118
Yeah, he really is obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #140
He bashed Hillary SHRED Aug 2017 #176
Bash G_j Aug 2017 #234
Some of us don't care for this fascist state Pitt worked BainsBane Aug 2017 #157
He also posted in support of a few very vocal misogynists here... Phentex Aug 2017 #354
Except the state he lives in, and voted in, went for Hillary. WoonTars Aug 2017 #362
Did I say he didn't have a constitutional right to vote as he pleased? BainsBane Aug 2017 #382
No, what is obscene is you laying the death of Heather Heyer at his feet. WoonTars Aug 2017 #390
Heather Heyer, the families ripped apart by immigration raids BainsBane Aug 2017 #404
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #418
People who wrote articles that attacked the Democratic nominee and then did not vote for her Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #507
Not even remotely accurate. WoonTars Aug 2017 #529
I read the articles. I saw his own words attacking Hillary. Google is your friend. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #543
Oh bainsbane! mcar Aug 2017 #417
Gee, let's hear what the asshole who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election thinks still_one Aug 2017 #101
Pitt, and his ilk, is responsible for Trump. So he can take a long walk on a short peer AFAIC. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #105
William Rivers Pitt: Coward. There. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #106
Oh. More overwriting From the POSUCS himself ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #112
Interesting Thread ! Bill Pitt sure can be as flippant as Trump is for sure ! Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #122
All of that was built on his posts at DU Generic Other Aug 2017 #126
Yr not the only one who lived thru early DU emulatorloo Aug 2017 #127
Don't forget Fitzmas Generic Other Aug 2017 #134
Will was one of the early ones here and he has always spoken his mind and Raven Aug 2017 #144
Hello Raven, old friend Generic Other Aug 2017 #151
Appreciate your post. Yes, I did not like hearing young DU didn't admire and appreciate him because emulatorloo Aug 2017 #167
+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #172
You are seriously equating people here who don't want to hear Pitt's crap to torch carrying MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #214
Here less than a month & calling Will's a voice of "crap" ? countryjake Aug 2017 #229
No, he was not right about Hillary. That kind of divisive shunning of Hillary R B Garr Aug 2017 #219
Thanks. He was VILE the way he handled his hatred of Hillary nini Aug 2017 #499
We're gonna need a bigger boat, ha! countryjake Aug 2017 #228
Thank you, CJ. Raven Aug 2017 #267
Hey Raven... such bittersweet days eh? riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #251
Good to see you, Raven. It's been too long. davsand Aug 2017 #374
I would like a place on that boat as well. MuseRider Aug 2017 #422
+1 bigtree Aug 2017 #531
OK, I see where you are going with it- BUT, Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #131
He had a crosscountry speaking tour Generic Other Aug 2017 #141
Fair enough Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #155
So where's the part where he discloses that he supported Trump in the last election? DanTex Aug 2017 #128
I know he said he would not vote for Hillary Beringia Aug 2017 #129
He said Trump wuld be a better President than Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #138
My opinion of his admirers and defenders has dropped even LOWER than before. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #170
A no vote for Hillary was a vote for trump. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #139
Except it wasn't, was it? WoonTars Aug 2017 #314
A vote for Bernie in the General was a vote for Trump...anyway you calculate it. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #508
Except no. Do you even Electoral College? WoonTars Aug 2017 #530
Was he living in New Hampshire...very slim margin there? Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #542
Not voting for Hillary is the equivalent of supporting Trump. DanTex Aug 2017 #159
No tears for the Pitt who is technically still a member. ucrdem Aug 2017 #135
Yes he did an I'm walking post before he - departed ! Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #142
It does seem as though he might have intended it. ucrdem Aug 2017 #148
He didn't post this thread today Generic Other Aug 2017 #162
He didn't exactly end on a high note. ucrdem Aug 2017 #163
ucrdem was replying my post about w. Pitt's last post on DU. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #165
I kind of feel under fire Generic Other Aug 2017 #168
Well, you have been around a long time . Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #171
I did not post his work Generic Other Aug 2017 #181
I know you didn't start the thread. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #184
I must have missed the serious criticism of the article Generic Other Aug 2017 #375
I see where you are going with that. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #391
DU used to be so much more than ad hominem attacks Generic Other Aug 2017 #408
How about DU evolves and change as it is and always is remains. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #448
Grifter enables grifter to attain the White House and still collects a paycheck, news at 11 Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #143
Grifter ... great description. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #154
Bwahahahaha sheshe2 Aug 2017 #193
yup JI7 Aug 2017 #195
yup, Pitt is the piece of shit used car salesman he accused Obama of JI7 Aug 2017 #198
LOL Hissyspit Aug 2017 #222
He supported Trump over Hillary, and urged liberals not to vote obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #241
Except he didn't support Trump.. WoonTars Aug 2017 #269
This Winston Smith moment has been extended Generic Other Aug 2017 #355
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #290
Jeez yourself. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #252
He co-signed Trump when he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. *UCK HIM! grossproffit Aug 2017 #152
This seems to have gone well. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #161
It's about Trump Generic Other Aug 2017 #166
"It's about Trump 24/7 as you have reminded us in the past." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #216
i think it's fucked up that Pitt threatened to Kill another DU member and was allowed to continue JI7 Aug 2017 #200
I sure wasn't aware of that still_one Aug 2017 #201
I think it's curious the poster left here leftstreet Aug 2017 #204
Uh... yes she was a real person obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #242
She is a real person. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #253
Omg you have got to be kidding . So other Du posters were lying and together making her up ? lunasun Aug 2017 #258
This happened and was swept under the DU rug. Not one of our finer moments. yardwork Aug 2017 #427
I was never a Pitt fan melman Aug 2017 #202
We can always count on Will Pitt to post his poignant insights Orrex Aug 2017 #207
Excellent observation. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #292
Own up to your own hand in all of this Pitt. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #210
every word printed heaven05 Aug 2017 #213
He didn't fucking vote for Trump! Hissyspit Aug 2017 #221
He helped by trashing Hill? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #223
I didn't say he voted for Hillary. Hissyspit Aug 2017 #226
Then he enabled the "election" of a sociopath Nazi mcar Aug 2017 #237
He wrote plenty of stuff trashing Trump. Hissyspit Aug 2017 #249
He wrote plenty of stuff trashing Hillary mcar Aug 2017 #250
He didn't vote for Trump. Hissyspit Aug 2017 #257
He said he would vote for TRump before Hillary -- you were not obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #272
And plenty trashing Obama even when he was President, so it wasn't the heat of the campaign.... George II Aug 2017 #471
Wait wait.... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #478
Hah! Yes, now I remember that. Thanks for reminding me. And he continues to want his crap.... George II Aug 2017 #483
Not on this thread... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #484
No, he wasn't "helping to warn us." He'd written a piece about how much he disliked Hillary ucrdem Aug 2017 #227
Oh mercy G_j Aug 2017 #236
I saw with my own eyes on his FB his statements he would vote Trump obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #243
What did I say? Hissyspit Aug 2017 #248
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #380
Hey, you need to delete this post. This is not cool. yardwork Aug 2017 #454
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #406
+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #225
Pitt seems to have his supporters and those that just don't like him at all. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2017 #231
Recommended! H2O Man Aug 2017 #233
hello! G_j Aug 2017 #238
Hello, Buddy! H2O Man Aug 2017 #239
no you certainly can't! G_j Aug 2017 #240
Agreed 100%. He wrote in Bernie in NH, a state that went for HRC 2-1 riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #353
Well said. H2O Man Aug 2017 #361
Nope, NH was a squeaker. Less than 3K votes or .3% of the vote..... bettyellen Aug 2017 #394
Sorry, I misspoke - it was his town and county riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #444
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #460
National election- They don't award electoral votes by county. So that was NOT a safe vote. bettyellen Aug 2017 #467
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #449
Last Nov, Truth-Out was listed as "Fake News" by many ... countryjake Aug 2017 #245
Compared to right wing propaganda Beringia Aug 2017 #247
I don't know greytdemocrat Aug 2017 #266
Here's a link to a site that listed purveyors of Russia propaganda: George II Aug 2017 #296
It was a sad day when progressives opted to eat their own... countryjake Aug 2017 #365
And sadly the GOP loves it Generic Other Aug 2017 #376
Yup, the ratfucking by the right wingnuts gained steam this year countryjake Aug 2017 #396
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #453
Always a great read. CanSocDem Aug 2017 #268
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #275
Even his rants are poorly written. Orrex Aug 2017 #279
And you make your living where, as an erudite wordsmith? WoonTars Aug 2017 #283
You don't have to be a good writer Phentex Aug 2017 #289
Not a valid question, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #299
Absolutely valid question. WoonTars Aug 2017 #313
No I don't, but neither does Pitt Orrex Aug 2017 #324
What a load. Hissyspit Aug 2017 #335
Slander? That's rich. Orrex Aug 2017 #351
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #457
And!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #477
Erudite must mean being wrong all the time while overusing vulgar curse words and ... betsuni Aug 2017 #480
;) sheshe2 Aug 2017 #482
This thread is a dumpster fire lapislzi Aug 2017 #280
DU has had a major community transition.... FarPoint Aug 2017 #295
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #301
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2017 #302
If my memory is in tact, G_j Aug 2017 #305
Crowd behavior H2O Man Aug 2017 #309
Exactly... FarPoint Aug 2017 #311
Absolutely... FarPoint Aug 2017 #307
"I have over 3,000 people participating on my FB wall." betsuni Aug 2017 #304
I believe the numbers are much higher. FarPoint Aug 2017 #308
I guess they like bad writing. betsuni Aug 2017 #312
I throughly enjoy his writing.. FarPoint Aug 2017 #323
Very articulate PatSeg Aug 2017 #332
What's disappointing to me is a fascist in the White House BainsBane Aug 2017 #469
Your reaction here is exactly what others feel about the lies you told R B Garr Aug 2017 #310
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #338
He did not vote for the Democratic Candidate...there is no excuse for that. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #343
Many spoke out over Pres. Obama's attempts to reach across the aisle Generic Other Aug 2017 #381
Thanks...it seems some have a real dislike of Democrats and the Party. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #398
Yep, and god knows where they learned it. Pretty stupid to claiim to be liberal or Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #463
I am with you...I would crawl across broken glass to vote for the Dem ...for years Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #513
He, like many in safe districts made a protest vote. Stoic Aug 2017 #405
I don't buy protest votes...and those votes would have counted in the popular vote...we are Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #433
NH was never a safe district and she won by a slight margin. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #476
I never accused him of that. I say he is a phony bullshit artist, who called President Obama every still_one Aug 2017 #379
He asked some one to post that response is what I saw when I got on my FB and googled his name. Autumn Aug 2017 #403
Yes, you obviously see it's from him. So why ask me for screen caps and say R B Garr Aug 2017 #407
Will didn't say he created a sock to post that, he asked if anyone who could still post at DU Autumn Aug 2017 #415
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #431
This is laughable. His post was in this thread, removed R B Garr Aug 2017 #493
hahahahaha I'm not the only one that said that obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #473
IBTL leftstreet Aug 2017 #369
This thread Blue_In_AK Aug 2017 #392
It's sad that solidarity to stop the rethugs... countryjake Aug 2017 #395
... leftstreet Aug 2017 #419
Thank you. Blue_In_AK Aug 2017 #474
Hi Blue!! SHRED Aug 2017 #490
You can block SHRED Aug 2017 #496
+10000... G_j Aug 2017 #546
Well...this opus will certainly NOT be DU's finest hour. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #461
+ a million. Blue_In_AK Aug 2017 #475
From the author of: "Hillary Clinton is a terrible fucking candidate, and I'm not voting for her" oberliner Aug 2017 #491
This thread is breaking my heart. Raven Aug 2017 #494
Thank you for this, but just to note that "what he does everyday, day after day" is the problem. ucrdem Aug 2017 #495
I would appreciate it if you would not use my words out of context. n/t Raven Aug 2017 #497
I quoted accurately and selected carefully. If you think I misrepresented your words, ucrdem Aug 2017 #498
Anybody who accuses Will of intellectual lethargy crim son Aug 2017 #526
That is all well and good, but I read his articles about Hillary Clinton before the election. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #500
Pitt, nor his writing, anything about him, does NOT belong on a board dedicated Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #509
I agree. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #514
I think so too. I despise this guy after reading what he wrote. And I remember him saying Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #544
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #500
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #500
I am sorry it is breaking your heart Beringia Aug 2017 #527
Sorry, but I can't respect anything said by someone who told OUR President Obama: George II Aug 2017 #539
Amem JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #549
No JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #548
How in the world is that link still here, that OP. Amazing Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #568
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #532
ignored the politics of opposing our nominee bigtree Aug 2017 #533
"No one on this board would hear it...." isn't that the sad truth and Raven Aug 2017 #535
When there's a binary choice JHan Aug 2017 #541
Raven, we stand with Will. Always. 7wo7rees Aug 2017 #565
Who could be more irrelevant than preachy, professorial Pitt? delisen Aug 2017 #538
Preachy, professional, flagged Mr. Pitt. George II Aug 2017 #540

dsc

(52,129 posts)
1. any fool could have told you that Trump would be like this
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:54 PM
Aug 2017

but the author of that article didn't think it mattered because Hillary had an email account or whatever.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
5. New thread title: COWARDLY WRITER WRITES ABOUT COWARD-IN-CHIEF!
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

In order to profit off what he helped along!

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
136. Ding ding ding.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:14 PM
Aug 2017

Writer brags about voting for Jill Stein on his FB page, and now collects a paycheck for complaining about the outcome. No thanks from me.

Response to Foamfollower (Reply #5)

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
276. If it makes you feel better, he was indefensible when he was on DU, too.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:43 AM
Aug 2017

Yet still he has his acolytes, despite his explicit threat to another DUer and his "used car salesman" rejection of Obama, as well as his passionate advocacy against the 2016 Democratic candidate.

Yes, Pitt is definitely a DUer we want on our side, if only so that we can read his poorly-written rehashes of opinions that other people posted three days prior.


Golly, how I miss him!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
566. Here are the
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:32 AM
Aug 2017

exact words he used toward President Obama::

"F--- you, Mr. President, you piece of sh*t used-car salesman. From my heart and soul, f--- you."

This was the original thread where Will Pitt posted that OP (he deleted it after it was left up for over a year):

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

And he followed up with more anti-Obama threads, including this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887802

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
567. Why is the link to his garbage still up here? Surely it was sent to jury, you know what that tells
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

Not safe here for democrats. We better watch our asses and not piss off a certain bunch, I guess.

Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #566)

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
316. He's FFR. Will won't create a sock to post here at DU. You being a new sign up from last month,
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:29 AM
Aug 2017

well after Pitt last posted here may not realize that long time DUers with scruples don't get FFR and sign up real quick with a new name.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
326. Because you say so? I remember a former poster, now FFR who was very racist. It was amazing how
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:54 AM
Aug 2017

when she would post a shit storm a few "socks" who were stalking her would show up in her threads to get banned so she could have verification in her threads.
Whatever, Will Pitt has not created a sock to post his writing and his opinions here. Unlike all the new people in this thread who came in long after Will was flagged that positively hate him and remember all his sins. Skinner doesn't mind people coming back, he stated that in ATA and MIRT once, as long as they don't carry on in the same way that got them flagged in the first place. But most carry their issues right back.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
328. It still blows your theory. You're just making exceptions now typical of the
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:05 PM
Aug 2017

previous divisiveness we've seen. And she wasn't racist. How ridiculous, but indicative of the motives of those who were "stalking" her.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
329. Do you have a screen cap of the post by Will? Pardon me if I don't take your word.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:08 PM
Aug 2017

Proof is always nice. As for the rest of your remarks we and others on the receiving end obviously have a very different interpretation of racism.

Response to Autumn (Reply #329)

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
334. He posted to stick up for himself in a thread attacking him. He disn't post his articles
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:25 PM
Aug 2017

or his opinions here as I was sure he wouldn't so I was half wrong. I have no problem admitting that.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
359. Uh huh
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:14 PM
Aug 2017

That was his screen name: "Uh huh"

See post #338 -- he put his post on his Facebook and someone copied it here. LOL,

Response to Autumn (Reply #329)

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
397. I'm done with this discussion since a MIRT member posted the MIRT message about the banned poster
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:23 PM
Aug 2017

containing the now deleted post quoted in it, I take that MIRT member at his word, I have never known him to lie to me. I assume he is a MIRT member since he has access to MIRT messages.

As to your question about another flagged member yes screen caps have been posted, many last year. Have a wonderful day.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
399. Your request for "screen caps", along with another member joining in with
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:38 PM
Aug 2017

"nyuk nyuk" as if there was some big gotcha going on at my expense is why I asked you for screen caps. You are refusing to post the supposed screen caps, so why would you ask me to do something you are unwilling to do.

And, yes, post 338 is a "screen cap" of the post removed on this thread. He posted it on his Facebook page, and it was copied here.

Have a nice day, yourself.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
401. I'm not on his FB and you were the one hinting that it was Will. You want screen caps of your
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:43 PM
Aug 2017

friends post you can probably get them from a lot of people on his FB page, I won't post them or mail them since she's not here any longer.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
402. Then why would I post something that you admit you are unwilling to post?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:50 PM
Aug 2017

You were obviously trying to make it a gotcha moment, but now that it's been pointed out that the post is here on this thread -- you don't need to say it was a "hint". It was copied from his Facebook page by at least two posters here, all you have to do is read the posts.

Post 338 has it, another poster just took it from his Facebook page, and it's apparently still on his Facebook page. You have three (3) sources to read the post from him.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
410. I got on FB, since he is public I saw Will ask if anyone who could post on DU would give his
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

reply to the poster that was deleted by MIRT. Many were willing to do so, I still have seen no proof it was Will signing up to post that reply and he didn't admit that he did on his FB post. Anyone can see that on FB, no screen shots or cut and paste needed.

The screen shots I have, that I said I'm not willing to post is because that person has no bearing on this discussion so you should quit bringing her up. Thanks for the pleasant discussion.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
411. You are contradicting yourself again. You acknowledge downthread that you know
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:13 PM
Aug 2017

the post is from Will.

There are three (3) sources and you are now making it the 4th that say the post is on his Facebook page and it was copied here. This is not complicated.

And you brought "her" up by commenting on someone else's recent join date (post 326).

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
441. lol, obviously he asked if someone could post it, which they did.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:31 PM
Aug 2017

And that's what I told you and what you acknowledged. Post 338 got it from his Facebook page. Another poster also posted it from his Facebook page. You acknowledge twice now that it came from his Facebook page, and now you confirm my first post to you that someone (post 338) took it from his Facebook page to post here.

lol, so there were no "hints" about it. We all saw it.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
423. I know who you refer to and she is good people...one could consider what happened to her as unfair.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:56 PM
Aug 2017

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
425. Skinner said, it doesn't take a lot to not get banned or flagged. Just be civil. Have a nice day. n
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:59 PM
Aug 2017

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
443. Calling her a racist is certainly not civil or fair.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:36 PM
Aug 2017

And so much for the concern over people not being able to defend themselves.....

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
447. That's weird it was linked here, then. Flamebait?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

Don't know. But I did see it suggested that those that know where to find him can read him at that source. I can understand that mostly because he didn't vote for the Democrat. Now look what we have.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
450. Will is a known writer,articles by writers are posted here all the time. One of the features of DU.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

there is no rule that content by writers who can no longer post here cannot be posted.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
452. Aren't there TOS rules, though? Support Democrats.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:54 PM
Aug 2017

So that is probably where the problem is. If you malign our candidate and state in your vast arsenal of print media that you will not vote for our candidate, then it's a different story. That's how I understand it, anyway. And that looks to be correct if you look at the responses here.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
458. But he made a stand here against the Democrat on
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:10 PM
Aug 2017

the ticket, which is what the issue is. That article about the "coward in chief" is in the OP, and not voting for the Democrat is how Trump got into the White House, so this is back to square one now, which you can read from the start of the thread for the responses on how he's not taken seriously because of not voting for Hillary. It's all in this thread already.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
462. In a blue state a missed vote doesn't change the fact that Hillary won the election by over
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:23 PM
Aug 2017

3 million votes, she also won the NH EC votes. It's his vote to do with it as he chooses. I consider it a waste of time to hate people who didn't vote for her, she won the election by a large margin.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
464. Someone already pointed out that New Hampshire went to Bush in 2000,
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:29 PM
Aug 2017

so that's a bogus excuse. Anyone who didn't vote for the Democrat knew what the consequences were. Al Gore won that 2000 election, too, but the Nader lies made it close. We've already seen this before, so it takes his authority as a critic in that article away if he helped contribute to putting Trump in office by not voting for the Democrat.

It's all in this thread already. The responses are clear and make a lot of sense.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
466. I have no interest in discussing any past election or any voters and the choice they made.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:41 PM
Aug 2017

It's not my circus and it's not my monkeys. Trump sucks and is a danger to humanity. That's what should be focused on.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
468. Trump sucked before Nov. 8th, as well. He was an obvious con man.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:45 PM
Aug 2017

Anyone attacking Hillary helped bring us Trump. The Russian hacking shows how those unnecessary attacks on her were used. And the Russians are still at it, so it looks like people will have little tolerance anymore for irresponsible journalism.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
470. No, Trump and his campaign brought us Trump. YMMV but that's my opinion, I don't do hate.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:53 PM
Aug 2017

I'm going to trash this thread, it's kind of icky. Take care.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
472. Russian hacking is also real. Trump is under FBI investigation.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:11 PM
Aug 2017

Lots of ugly things. Trump had a lot of help from ugly sources.

You take care, too.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
550. Hillary is history, get over it...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

do we have to continue supporting her in future elections? I voted for Hillary for president and I supported her over Bernie Sanders, but I was also a bit ruthless toward her back when she ran against Obama. If we continue along the lines that "everyone must think the same way that I do", then Democrats as a party will continue to face defeat.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
551. You've got to be kidding. Get over what?? Trump being president?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 05:42 PM
Aug 2017

No. No. Never. The numbers show that Democrats haven't actually faced defeat except when there is divisiveness and lies. I could tell you what to get over "it", too. That was the real issue with divisiveness from 2015.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
552. I'm just saying, as a party we need to get over Hillary's loss and move on...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 06:07 PM
Aug 2017

and that doesn't mean we move on from the investigations into Russian hacking, collusion and Trump's Quid Pro Quo arrangements. Those are separate issues and we should never get over that until justice prevails.

If Hillary decided to run again against a fresh, new progressive face many of us may come down hard on her again. We might point out that her campaign, with all of it's baggage, against Trump, was way too close for comfort and we don't a repeat.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
553. On the other hand 2020 might be her year.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 06:27 PM
Aug 2017

If there's a fresh new progressive face that has the wherewithal to overcome the monstrous RW noise machine, great, let's go with him/her. If there isn't, and so far I haven't seen such a person (2024, yes, 2020, not yet), 2020 might finally be her year, meaning Mr and Mrs Ohio-Pennsylvania-Michigan might finally be ready to get behind another Clinton presidency. We could do worse.


ETA: I don't think this will happen, but the point is that it's unwise to toss aside any viable candidate, and the winner of the 2016 presidential election is a viable candidate, and I think she would probably win if she runs in 2020. But I'm pretty sure she won't.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
554. "Coming down hard on her" is why we lost. Too much divisiveness for a prolonged
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 06:36 PM
Aug 2017

period is too much for any candidate. So stop it. The attacks on her were way over the top. That's what this thread is about actually. Someone who contributed to her loss by advocating to other easily influenced people that they are somehow showing principle by not voting is the absurd reason we have Trump.

I'm not getting where you think Hillary may run again. Way too close? There were 75,000 or so people who decided this election, and there was an active campaign called Busters who refused to vote unless they got their preferred candidate. So we lost. If you don't vote out of protest or write in someone's else's name, it's a vote for Trump.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
555. A lot of people voted for Trump out of protest, even though they suspected he wouldn't be good...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 07:10 PM
Aug 2017

they were hoping he would turn Washington upside down and were tired of politics as usual.

This is why I posted recently that the alt-right and extreme Left have a subject in common: anti-globalization, a cause that the Left should be debating, but the Right seems to be controlling the argument from both sides. The media loves a good fight and Breitbart may be gearing up to give it to them, but ultimately it is the Right that wants control of the issue from their distorted Nationalist perspective.

Someone argued that Bernie Sanders got into a fight with globalists and ended up with threats against him and his family. That is sad if true.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
557. At least you admit the strategy didn't care that a Republican
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:36 PM
Aug 2017

took office. That makes the "far left" (your words) not very believable about progressive/liberal policies. The GOP thanks them for their help in letting the GOP keep power.

The rest sounds too abstract. I think people will be welcoming of stability in government now instead of the shock jock posturing of all this agitation. And Brietbart shouldn't be elevated anymore than we're forced to hear about them through their mouthpiece in the WH. Lots of these Nazi sites are losing their internet providers. Let them trip themselves up.



AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
560. I'm not talking about a "far left" strategy in this case...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:00 PM
Aug 2017

I'm talking about the rising discontent that swept through the rust belt which Trump was able to capitalize on, and Democrats largely ignored. Breitbart may now be trying to capitalize on this as well, but I agree that they shouldn't be given more attention by the media. I'm not trying to elevate anything, I'm just pointing out a phenomena that many Hillary supporters continue to oblivious to.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
561. I figured this was just another divisive exercise to cap on "Hillary supporters"
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 01:06 PM
Aug 2017


So Bernie lost also. Over a year ago. What you are ignoring is that the divisiveness was fostered to create the results we got, and obviously that was to attack Hillary, who was the Democratic nominee. The subject of this thread also contributed with anti-Hillary writings. That's what is being ignored. It's already obvious that the RW keeps stirring up the non-Hillary supporters and some keep falling for their games. It's really obvious.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
562. Anti-Hillary rhetoric is no longer relevant as we look to the future...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 04:33 PM
Aug 2017

unless of course she decides to run for office again, which is why I wonder about that.

The RW can stir up Hillary supporters all they want, but when they latch onto a much broader movement that the Left fails to address, that's what I feel is dangerous for Democrats. I'm not talking about white supremacy movements either, I'm talking about the margin of voters in the Rust Belt who shifted from voting for Obama in one election to Trump in the next. These voters are not necessarily dedicated to one party alone and decided to vote instead for who they felt would bring about the most change. They must be disappointed at this point, but Democrats need someone like Obama who will at least talk about change that appeals to them.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
563. Well, when Democrats are maligned as corrupt and
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:03 PM
Aug 2017

out of touch, then of course messaging is a problem. That was beyond irresponsible, and there was no excuse for it.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
564. I'm not defending whatever it was that William Pitt said that got him booted...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 05:20 PM
Aug 2017

and most Democrats cannot be painted with such a broad brush.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
429. I smell Hillary hate in this thread, real stanky too.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:04 PM
Aug 2017

Imagine being on the brink of literal extinction and people still engaging in such.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
451. Funny thing is if you ask them why they so dislike her, what her
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:52 PM
Aug 2017

positions and actions are all they can point to is a speech, smiling in a photo with Kissinger, and the comment about predators or something (and most of the critics are white so that last one is disingenuous) but they are all disingenuous because if you look at her record she is a liberal and one of the best if not the best candidate the party ever had.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
456. Yes, and that's why the Russian propaganda machines had such easy pickings.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:04 PM
Aug 2017

They knew who to copy to attack Hillary. No facts needed, no context needed. Just emotional and petty claptrap, the examples you gave are perfect. Who goes around telling people off, as they expected her to do to Bush or other GOP'ers. No one does that, and no one in real life does that unless you can afford to completely burn your bridges. It's just absurd what she was put through. I miss her.

betsuni

(25,119 posts)
465. Something Hillary said in 1993 will be taken out of context and repeated over and over
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:36 PM
Aug 2017

and everything she ever said examined under a magnifying glass, but for others we're not supposed to remember anything they've written even when it's spectacularly vulgar and hateful. "He's a good person," they say. Where have I heard that before?

Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #282)

Response to Post removed (Reply #260)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
430. Dear god, I bet the preson who said that isnt fit to wipe Obama's ass anymore
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:07 PM
Aug 2017

than most could imagine doing IN THEIR LIFETIMES what the Clinton foundation does in ONE day.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
39. The point is very few in the media spoke out against Trump
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:25 PM
Aug 2017

Don't forget that. Today, they are mostly united in a feeding frenzy against him, but flash back a few months and most seemed willing to give Fascism a chance. Only a few voices in the media were raising the alarm.

Everyone voted for HRC. She won. Please stop picking old wounds.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
43. the fact the others misbehaved as badly as he did doesn't make it OK
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:27 PM
Aug 2017

He decided it didn't matter if Trump became President because reasons. He is one reason why Trump is defiling the White House as I type.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
53. DSC we have been arguing on DU since its inception
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:47 PM
Aug 2017

Yet I don't see you as my undying enemy. Yes, we disagreed during primaries and yes this one was the hardest to heal from, but we need to have an amnesty on attacking former DUers like this if people can't resist forming a lynch mob every time they hear his name. It makes me feel like crying to see it happen. Will Pitt has a voice that has made lots of noise over the years. Shouting him down forever with one harsh quote he made in the heat of the moment won't drown out the good work he has done and continues to do by raising his voice.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
64. I think if people want to discredit Pitt or anyone
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:18 PM
Aug 2017

they would do better by ignoring him rather than pumping his Internet presence posting threads on how much they hate him. Rehashing it positive or negative is in his favor.

I suppose the real reason people keep attacking him here is to let off steam but it's not really hurting him, his credibility or his lack of credibility.

Freedom of speech and the Internet... a complex combination.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
75. I am the last person to act all prim and proper about civility
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:41 PM
Aug 2017

as I give as good as I get here, but I always believe we are the ones who rise above the swamp we look down upon. Just to the right of our field of vision.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
344. Everyone didn't vote for HRC. There are some "returners" here, some in this very thread,
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:45 PM
Aug 2017

who posted elsewhere that they would NEVER vote for Hillary.

Not to mention The Pitts himself.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
360. I said I would NEVER vote for her and yet I did
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:14 PM
Aug 2017

So my votes didn't count? Because it wasn't done with the right attitude? Others who said NEVER also voted for her after the primaries. In spite of some of her supporters who seemed intent on driving people away.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
366. She won and Russians stole it
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:36 PM
Aug 2017

I personally think a vote for Stein was a waste and maybe worse that she was a Putin candidate. But I know most who voted for her were progressives and believed a lot of what I believe. Same as I think you are a progressive and/or a liberal and a Democrat. We must agree on some things. Otherwise we would be posting on Discussionist.

I don't believe in attacking others who are potential friends and allies though, attacking them forever with the same accusations and with a fervor I reserve for Trump. Will Pitt does not deserve to be attacked like he was Trump's right hand man. He is not Bannon and nothing people say here will convince all DUers that he is.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
373. He threatened to kill a DUer, he was disgusting about Obama, he vowed not to vote for Hillary, he
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:58 PM
Aug 2017

created one drama queen nonsense controversy after another as long as I was aware of him. He doesn't get any respect from me. He is not a potential friend. He encouraged people not to vote for the Democratic candidate when Trump was the Republican candidate.

And it's not the same accusations. It's not accusations at all. It is simply observations of his multiple acts of assholery.

Yes, I would hope we agree on some things. This is not going to be one of them.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
383. Drama Queen?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:29 PM
Aug 2017

A poster he did not know insulted his mother. When I posted that my mother died and linked to a video she made, I got hate responses from some people too. They read about her on DU and went to Youtube to say I FAKED her death because I was a DRAMA QUEEN. I deleted many comments on Youtube. Some were angry responses I made to deplorables who found me through DU.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
386. People do not respond well to having their mothers insulted
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:39 PM
Aug 2017

It is a form of fighting words. Since you are the one who brought up this red herring as a way to deflect from my original comment, I thought I should address it.

Response to Generic Other (Reply #386)

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
2. The man who wrote this has no right to complain as he refused to vote for Hillary!
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:55 PM
Aug 2017

Fuck him.

Fuck all like him

HE is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for Trump and the rise of Nazism in America.

I will give him NOTHING now that he is trying to profit from what HE created.

FUCK HIM!!!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
434. ABsolutely, by the way they are very busy right now attacking Kamala
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:16 PM
Aug 2017

and Patrick and Booker and will be working FEVERISHLY to make sure the GOP retains power.

They dont like repubs, but they HATE liberals.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
512. I don't get it?
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:14 PM
Aug 2017

What's the image from?

Do you mean "Do you admire . . ." I don't watch walking dead or zombie shows so I miss the references.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
518. It's always best to...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:38 PM
Aug 2017


... especially when someone is trying to ridicule or poke-fun... lest the meme itself becomes an object of ridicule and hilarity!



, etc etc etc

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
525. I fixed it. It's a image related to The Purge horror movies.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:30 PM
Aug 2017

And yes there was a word missing. I fixed it up.

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
291. That is not true....
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:13 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

He was a Sanders supporter...but...he is a True DEMOCRAT...Never would he vote for tRump nor would he not vote....

I know Will Pitt.... he's earned his just respects...I defend him against this lies....We need to embrace our Party as a Whole...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
333. Remember when he called Obama a Piece of shit used car salesman?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:24 PM
Aug 2017


Sure. THAT was embracing our party as a whole. WRP can go fuck himself.

Response to Adrahil (Reply #333)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
339. He is proof...took me three minutes on Google.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:40 PM
Aug 2017

William Pitt

The used car salesman strikes again

"Moreover, Russia has pointed to America’s decision to go into Iraq as an example of Western hypocrisy. Now, it is true that the Iraq War was a subject of vigorous debate not just around the world, but in the United States as well. I participated in that debate and I opposed our military intervention there. But even in Iraq, America sought to work within the international system. We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people and a fully sovereign Iraqi state that could make decisions about its own future."

- Obama, in Brussells, yesterday

An amazing amount of bullshit in one paragraph. We ran roughshod over the international community to get that war going. If an invasion and ten-year occupation isn't annexation, then nothing is. We totally, totally grabbed their resources, because the oil was supposed to "pay for the war," as I recall...and there were gas lines in Iraq for years after the invasion, because we were sitting on their oil like it was our own private piggy bank. And as for the state we left Iraq in, thousands upon thousands of people have been killed in the sectarian strife we left behind. They aren't making decisions about their future. They're running for their damned lives.

The used car salesman is trying to sell the lemon that was the Iraq war in order to avoid sounding like a hypocrite about Russia.

Utterly nauseating.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024734511

Brother Buzz

(36,212 posts)
346. Ah, that's just used car salesman
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:54 PM
Aug 2017

It was pointed out to me upthread that it was POS used car salesman, or piece of shit used car thread. Words matter, or something.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
400. Google it...you will see it when you click on it ...it was self deleted but did say it clearly.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:40 PM
Aug 2017

This message was self-deleted by its author - Democratic Underground
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964
Mar 18, 2014 - "fuck you mr president you piece of shit used car salesman" is an .... Ranting on the DU about how awful Obama is won't change anything.
You visited this page on 8/18/17.


This message was self-deleted by its author

This message was self-deleted by its author (WilliamPitt) on Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:41 PM. When the original post in a discussion thread is self-deleted, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.
Here is a post that was in response....

He obviously said it...it is posted on other right wing sites...and attributed to him.


https://www.google.com/search?q=President+Obama+is+a+piece+of+shit+used+car+salesman+democratic+underground&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS730US730&oq=President+Obama+is+a+piece+of+shit+used+car+salesman+democratic+underground&aqs=chrome..69i57.30839j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
409. See....it was a brief rant of frustration.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
Aug 2017

He focused on ACA...and yes, we came up real short of our goal....far from single payer...but we did get ACA where we COULD OF built a stronger system....He should of added the GOP obstruction...that's really where his anger was fueled....I'm fine with it...

The post was misleading.. claiming fuck Obama.. it was definitely not that way .. it as an issue frustration.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
416. A brief rant of frustration?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:32 PM
Aug 2017

He called President Obama a "piece of shit used car salesman." He said f you to him.

He should have been banned for that.


You asked for proof, then move the goalposts.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
436. Brief rant? How long does it take to briefly turn a
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:18 PM
Aug 2017

room full of folks who normally dont vote, to REALLY not vote when they hear attacks like that of HIllary?

Yeah, I blame lots of people for why a Nazi is in the WH, but if those progressives had not acted like that, we would not be here right now talking about trump.

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
349. Actually no I don't...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:05 PM
Aug 2017

If he did..it was probably a brief single issue frustration....He was on Team Obama.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
367. He did. See above. I would not have asserted it otherwise.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:38 PM
Aug 2017

He was tombstoned precisely because of outbursts like that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
420. Far point, are you so sure? We now know that social media was and is
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:53 PM
Aug 2017

flooded with hostile professional agents, both foreign and domestic, whose purpose was and is to sow dissension and disillusionment and turn as many on the left as possible against both the party as a whole and against our presidential candidate by providing false information and stirring up trouble on forums like this one.

The actions of this particular demagogic troublemaker fit that profile all too well, so well that it doesn't even matter whether he was paid or not, operating on his own or not, sabotaging our party on behalf of the right deliberately or accidentally. The actions stand on their own.

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
303. You don't even know him...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:04 AM
Aug 2017

If you got to actually know him...or even care to know his Democratic contributions, commitment and dynamic knowledge of our political arena.. If you did that...you might be feeling a little shameful.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
524. I interacted with him in the "political arena." I don't think any poster here should feel ashamed.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:45 PM
Aug 2017

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
224. Sort of.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:38 PM
Aug 2017

He isn't here, so has no "audience" here, but there are still DUers who DO both read his work AND talk to him elsewhere. Will was one of the group of DUers I first got to know right here back in '03; sometimes I agreed with him, sometimes not, sometimes really not, but I listened, engaged, and found substance to discuss. Not so much anymore here; it's become more and more an authoritarian echo chamber as it's evolved.

MuseRider

(34,057 posts)
262. I was thinking about you the other day
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:53 AM
Aug 2017

and wondering how you are. Good to see you.

It is always good to read Will, you don't have to agree with everything you read. If you want to learn you read many things and sometimes discard them, not because of the author but because there is no value to that particular piece of writing. Throwing out Will Pitt by liberals would be stupid no matter what he has said or how he voted (nobody knows what he actually did so get over yourselves it is none of your business anyway). His ideas are worth reading and considering. The reactions here are what I expect from high school students who need to belong to a certain group and cannot stand being threatened by how others dress.

I am grateful to be his friend elsewhere and read him in other places. I am always glad to see him posted here as well.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
371. I think that our founding fathers could not survive the Pitt standard
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:50 PM
Aug 2017

They were slave owners and should never be praised EVER EVER EVER for any good they accomplished because of they owned human beings and did not have consistent enough worldviews. Yet most of us give them a pass for the good they set in motion. We may not approve of their actions as slaveholders, but we have not thrown out the Dec of Independence or the Bill of Rights because we hate Jefferson. We have not removed all references to George Washington because he owned slaves.

Jefferson acknowledged slavery was wrong, and yet he did nothing to alleviate the problem. Should we hate the man and post angry words whenever we speak his name?

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
504. Hi, Muse!
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:23 AM
Aug 2017

I try to stop in here once a week or so, for LOLcats in the lounge, if nothing else. I hope you are doing well.

This is my last weekend before I'm back to school full-time, except for Monday. We are in the path of totality for Monday's eclipse, and have been overrun with an influx of people here to see the event; more visitors than actual residents, so our quiet roads and gas stations and stores and parking AND emergency services are severely taxed; our school district is shutting down and locking up the entire district Monday.

Things here are about the same, otherwise, except for my old mare. She's fine right now, but has come out of winter in terrible shape the last two springs in a row, and I don't know if I want to put her through another. A hard choice, since her coat's shiny, her ribs are finally not showing, and her energy is good; it only took almost the entire spring and summer to get her back to that condition, though. I keep putting off making that final choice.

MuseRider

(34,057 posts)
522. I have an old mare just like that.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:46 PM
Aug 2017

She is still ribby and I too have been fighting it with her all summer and it has been so so hot. The day we hit 126 heat index I was surprised any of the critters made it, including me!

Mine I cannot boost with different food choices or she gets the runs. Back and forth. One more winter I think, she has not seemed terribly upset about it all and she gets a double stall with fans and a mister during the day and of course she loves showing it off to the others out in the heat. I think she still has time.

We are about 100 miles from the total eclipse. We will be headed North to try and meet up with some cousins and annoy some farmers up there by parking along their road. Knowing how I would feel about others coming on the farm or putting a bunch of crap on the grass we will be courteous, stay on the side of the road and not do that. I am bringing a card to put in the box thanking them if they let us stay. I imagine even here it will be busy but it will not be full.

I hope it does not get worse for you this weekend. Enjoy the eclipse, I am looking forward to it. The adventure will be the fun part I suppose since it is supposed to get cloudy and rain here. It will still get very dark and that in itself will be interesting.

Have a great school year.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
545. Looking forward to the school year, to be sure.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:47 PM
Aug 2017

I'll know it's time to retire when I'm not excited to see students.

Here it's more about the winter cold than the summer heat; I'm wondering if I can get her to wear a blanket if we can't do one more winter. Last winter was the worst around here since 1992, and school went way beyond the last day of school doing make-up days. I still have spots in the barn roof to repair, and broken pipes, before it freezes up again. So many roofs collapsed that anyone who would work on roofs has had a months-long waiting list.

She's never worn a blanket, and tends to be very touchy about touching. She'll let me brush her, she'll let us pick up her feet, but she doesn't like anyone but me to touch her. When it cools down a bit, I'll start working with the blanket and see if I can get her comfortable before everything freezes up.

MuseRider

(34,057 posts)
547. Aww good luck.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 04:09 PM
Aug 2017

Mine loves having a blanket but she did not want it at first. It took some time. If she trusts you, and she obviously does, then you will get it done. I would start early, some of them take a long time. I have one that needs to be broke to fly spray every year.

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
322. Will was the first DUer
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:47 AM
Aug 2017

to greet and welcome me back in 2004. I may not always agree with him or anyone for that matter, but this thread is over the top. A lot of people I know have moved away from Democratic Underground and it is largely because of these sorts of frenzied attacks.

I have enough republicans and white supremacists to be angry at, I won't waste my anger on Democrats.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
14. No, this is about TRUMP. which is who William Rivers Pitt supported in 2016.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:08 PM
Aug 2017

If you didn't vote Hillary, you supported Trump.

There is no other choice. Choosing AGAINST Hillary was to support Trump and that's exactly what this fucking Nazi fuck did.

Yes, William Rivers Pitt is FUCKING NAZI because he chose to help Trump win.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
56. I guess you think I am a Nazi too?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

Guilt by association.

I voted for Clinton, but I never much liked the flashmob mentality expressed here. Sorry. Guess I should expect to be driven off soon too.

edited: to reflect I do not think I am a Nazi under any circumstances.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
69. Unlike the Nazi Pitt, you voted for Clinton.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:32 PM
Aug 2017

You chose to vote AGAINST the Nazis, unlike Pitt who was okay with Nazis taking over.

 

TastyTaters

(17 posts)
265. The way you are foaming at the mouth and spewing such nonsense you seem to have an axe to grind.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:48 AM
Aug 2017

Which is strange coming from someone who couldn't possibly have interacted with him here since you registered less than 6 months ago. As for me I've been friend with him on FB for many years. Maybe that's where you had some heated exchanges with Will?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
372. Pitt is not a Nazi
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:53 PM
Aug 2017

And I refuse to throw this ugly word around lightly. You should be ashamed to do so as well.

Because there ARE real Nazis. Real racists. And they are laughing at us and plotting to harm us.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
90. Can't find the info
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:28 PM
Aug 2017

.....that he supported Trump. Do you have a link?

I know he criticized HRC, as did many in the primary, but is there a statement of active support for Trump by Pitt?

I've googled etc. and it's not turning up.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
133. He proclaimed openly in an article he would not vote for Hillary
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:03 PM
Aug 2017

ergo, he supported Trump and is a Nazi.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
174. Not supporting Hillary
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:26 PM
Aug 2017

...does not a nazi make. Lots of Democratic voters stayed home. They are not nazis.

Let's not diminish the horror of nazism.

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
191. Agreed. Saying all non-Hillary voters are Nazis dilutes the meaning of that word.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:02 AM
Aug 2017

Look at the horrors Nazis inflicted on the world 80 years ago. The absolute evil of their actions. And now we're supposed to equate a bad voting decision with that level of atrocity?

No, thanks.

=================

 

LovesPNW

(65 posts)
287. How dare your say such a thing
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:06 AM
Aug 2017

Will has been at the vanguard of anti-fascist opinion since before DU even existed.

Sorry, but you don't have the gravitas to criticize or condemn Will out of hand with a slander and a lie.

Will was a leading voice in DU against the IWR and Dubya's Iraq adventure.

You were nowhere to be seen.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

brush

(53,467 posts)
20. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HILLARY. HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM THE SITE.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

Stop violating the terms of service. Value what he has to say on your own.

brush

(53,467 posts)
479. One more time. The guy has been banned. Among other vile things he did here is threaten to kill...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:21 PM
Aug 2017

another poster.

brush

(53,467 posts)
510. Check the other responses to the thread. Apparently you weren't here when he spewed his vileness
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:00 PM
Aug 2017

You'll find your answers there.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
70. Why do you value what he says?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:35 PM
Aug 2017

He is responsible for this mess. He actively campaigned against the Democratic nominee.

Beringia

(4,313 posts)
93. I value what he says
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:30 PM
Aug 2017

because he is a close watcher of what goes on in politics and I believe he has a good mind.

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
150. his good mind told him to be a shithead which helped get Trump elected, so...
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:30 PM
Aug 2017

WRP is no ally. He is not for the DEMOCRATS. And this is DEMOCRATIC underground, so...

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
521. He voted for Trump, encouraged others to do so, if he truly did vote for Bernie in the
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:42 PM
Aug 2017

general, then YES he voted for Trump. Writing in invalid votes elected Trump.

Last time I checked Trump was a nazi.

Or you could just stop with refighting the primary and lying about what this person did, and the mad man his moronic campaign to convince idiots to throw away their votes elected a damned Nazi.

You could stop with the personal attacks and the lying about what this man and Jill Stein and every Nazi enabler did.

Last time I checked, I never said the thing you falsely accused me of.

Stop the lying.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
528. No matter how you twist and spin it, he wrote down the name 'Bernie Sanders'
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:14 PM
Aug 2017

Enough with the lies. You are stating something that is utterly false on its face.

I have attacked NO-ONE.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
558. No matter how one lies to twist and spin and attack those who point out that
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 01:33 AM
Aug 2017

ANY idiot who wrote in invalid candidates and encouraged other idiots to do the same, it's beyond a doubt that these were a campaign of votes for Trump. He voted in Trump, because as anyone with a functioning brain cell knew, Bernie Sanders was not a valid candidate, having lost the nomination. HE asked everyone who followed him and believed in him to vote for Hillary. The most profoundly stupid ignored Bernie and wrote him in anyway.

Enough with the projection, the dishonest, the ad hominems and the statements that are false in every way, the lying needs to stop, as do the attacks.

This Pitt person and his minions dumb enough to listen to him gave us Trump, there is no defense for this idiocy. No amount of personal attacks against me for stating that undeniable fact will change his complicity and those of his defenders against what they did.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
559. I'm not the one lying.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:33 AM
Aug 2017

He wrote in 'Bernie Sanders'. Last time i checked 'Donald Trump' isn't spelled B-E-R-N-I-E S-A-N-D-E-R-S....

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and the EC votes in his home state so he therefore had NOTHING to do with Dump getting elected.

Oh, and btw, I'm STILL not attacking you...

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
27. And he publicly advocated not to vote for Hillary
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:17 PM
Aug 2017

He is pompous as hell, and I am ashamed I ever thought he had anything of merit to say. He also called Obama a POS on here, and threatened to murder another DUer for no reason.

I also don;t think he is a great writer

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
40. Remember why he called Obama POSUCS?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:25 PM
Aug 2017

He never researched Obamacare for his wife's vital meds when he moved to NH. He blamed Obama for denying her Meds then voted for a man that is taking away her meds.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #27)

mahina

(17,502 posts)
387. Could you please provide a link showing Will advocating for people not to vote for Hillary?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:48 PM
Aug 2017

I never saw any evidence of that.

Are you sure that is correct? I'm sure it is not. I definitely recall him saying if the race was close in NH that he would vote for Hillary.

I proudly voted for Hillary by the way and advocated for her after she won the primary.

Whatever you think of his writing is your business. The rest of your post will need to wait for another day when I'm not so far behind to respond. Peace to you and to all beings.




phylny

(8,352 posts)
115. Now I remember that I forgot to set a block where his name appears in the title
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:07 PM
Aug 2017

of the thread. I think I'll do it now.

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
146. Agreed. He actively worked against Hillary which means
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:28 PM
Aug 2017

he is just one more human partially responsible for this fucking mess.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
256. +1000. Was about to hide thread without even looking inside
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:56 PM
Aug 2017

but I'm glad to see others feel the same way.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
10. He is a banned poster here.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:05 PM
Aug 2017

There is no place for his articles on a Democratic Site. He made his choice, he stated clearly that he would NOT VOTE FOR CLINTON.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
45. YEP....
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

Blamed him for taking away her vital meds...that he was to stupid research before moving to NH. Then voted for the man that is taking away her meds.

He called Obama a...PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
437. Like I said earlier, those are the people to SHAME and BLAME for what might
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:22 PM
Aug 2017

be the "end of the fucking world."

I got into it recently with one of them who was mad as hell at me for mentioning how much good the Clinton foundation does on a daily basis.

Bleacher Creature

(11,235 posts)
19. Pitt is as responsible for Trump as anyone.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

And the two of them share some traits in common, including a mutual hatred of President Obama.

Please don't post his crap here.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
31. Yup, folks are forgetting he threatened to murder another DUer
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:20 PM
Aug 2017

And, the Admins cravenly unbanned him after they gave him a very short time out.

Pathwalker

(6,596 posts)
38. I have never forgotten that, nor how quick so many were to
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:23 PM
Aug 2017

act like it was "no big deal". The violence in his threat was so beyond the pale he should never have been allowed to return.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
59. It is not hero worship to support a long-time DU poster
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:08 PM
Aug 2017

When DU started, it was a group as small as the group of people crowding on this thread. We had each other's backs. No matter what. We focused on the good we could do, not on which DUers we could bring down even when they made us mad. We spent most of our energy trying to bring down the mighty and powerful. And when we brought down the mighty and powerful, it was because they deserved it. We kept our eyes on the prize.

Pathwalker

(6,596 posts)
65. I've only been here since 2002, so I guess I wouldn't know.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:21 PM
Aug 2017

"Had each other's backs" - and sometimes each other's throats. Purity tests up the wazoo, who was a "real" Democrat/Liberal/Progressive, etc. I remember Kephra, Andy Stephenson (and what was done to him), Nostamj, and many others now gracing DU's in Memorium page, and I remember Will threatening to break down a woman's door and beat her face so bad it would take a DNA test to identify her. But, maybe that's acceptable IF you're the right kind of long time DUer. My mileage definitely varies.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
68. You do know Will Pitt delivered the eulogy at Andy's funeral?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:30 PM
Aug 2017

I know because I was one of the DUers who attended. Will Pitt draws blood when he is angry and insulting his mother makes him angry. Fighting words. Would you not be on the attack against a DUer if they besmirched your mother?

Mostly it is rightwing blood he has been after, and he has been effective. He started by writing on DU and ended up on Truthout. He has earned some respect as a progressive voice even if you think we should shun him for the lapses.

On edit: Kephra adored Pitt and got a job with him.

Pathwalker

(6,596 posts)
73. None of this means I have to respect him, and I don't.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:40 PM
Aug 2017

I won't be a part of group think, and I will disagree when and where I choose. I am an old woman with little time left on this earth, and I will not bow down to anyone, anywhere. Threatening violence against someone is my line in the sand, my deal breaker. I'm sorry you don't like that, but that is how I feel. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
78. This thread is the very definition of groupthink
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:50 PM
Aug 2017

but I also will agree to disagree. Will Pitt does not need me to defend his record.

Peace as I assume I have known you in another incarnation.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
85. it is actually the opposite of group think
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:15 PM
Aug 2017

Pitt assisted Trump in getting elected. He threatened to kill someone -- anyone insulting his mom, or him being drunk, or him having a temper excuses his actions. He wasn't a toddler.

I read his threads on FB during the primaries. He is a sick, twisted guy who told people not to vote for Hillary, and stated he never would, and that Trump would be a better President than Hillary

Fuck that guy - WHO IS A BANNED POSTER ON DU

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
48. The Admns actually should have also contacted the police
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:31 PM
Aug 2017

And reached out to his victim and asked if they needed help.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
61. And he did not know the poster when she attacked his mother
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:13 PM
Aug 2017

So why do we keep throwing it in his face like a vindictive ex-spouse? Or a cow chewing our cabbage twice? We need to focus on how to fight Trump.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
79. Edited for inaccuracy
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:53 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:02 PM - Edit history (2)

on edit: I was wrong. He wrote in Bernie as a poster down thread has stated. His right.

And HR Clinton still won. Both popular and possibly the electoral vote. And worse, Trump is still in the White House. So what can we do about that?

mcar

(42,206 posts)
81. Stop giving voice here to people who aided and abetted a sociopath Nazi
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:00 PM
Aug 2017

for one.

Has Pitt ever expressed regret for his support of a Nazi? For his endless trashing of HRC?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
102. There's an ignore button if you don't want to read what I say
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:45 PM
Aug 2017

Pitt is no more a Nazi than you or I. It is an ugly term to throw around so casually. Especially as real Nazis attack our country. And when untrue or hyperbole seems like fighting words to me.

I am going back to fighting real enemies, not tilting at strawmen, painting everything as either/or, jumping on bandwagons, attacking the man and every other logical fallacy I have seen used here to mask the fact we are supposed to shun an ex-Duer in order to silence his voice.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
111. Edited for inaccuracy
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:55 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)

on edit: I misread. You said he supported a Nazi. My apologies. Again, I do not know any DUers who did that.

But he was called a Nazi upthread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9474699

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
120. Did he also encourage others to leave the ballot blank? If so he's responsible
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:25 PM
Aug 2017

for his actions, aiding and abetting a dangerous, mentally unstable racist who brought actual Nazis into the White House.

We can stop listening to what he says and hold him accountable. We don't need to post his writing here, a place he was banned from because of what people are explaining are some shockingly racist and posts.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
121. I am pretty sure he said he had the luxury of not voting
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:29 PM
Aug 2017

We all know most of us did not. Or couldn't leave that line blank. I feared for the consequences. But she won. The vote was likely stolen in critical states by Russia, and nothing any of us could do to change that. Blaming Pitt won't change that.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
123. There were a lot of white men and women who felt they had that luxury.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:35 PM
Aug 2017

If they had not done so, we'd not be facing what we're facing today. So many people were encouraging purity votes for Stein (not people who actually gave a crap about the Green Party or its stances) but as a protest vote. Many left the slot blank, and many wrote in something dumb and left the ballot blank.

The vote was stolen, and Pitt, Stein and the various bots that switched from Bernie to Jill en masse online helped the Russians and the GOP to steal it.

There was plenty we could have done to change that, but anyone stating that purity was not so pure in this instance were ridiculed, silenced, attacked, abused and pretty much harassed. That behavior is still going on all over the internet.

Putting blame where it belongs will keep us from falling for that deliberate divisive idiocy again.

It's important that he be held accountable, along with everyone else who responded to "vote for the only qualified candidate on the ballot" with anything other than a vote. 70,000 votes. That what this guy and people like him swayed, and that was all it took.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
132. I understand your feelings
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:01 PM
Aug 2017

Do you also refuse to speak to any friends or relatives in your real life who voted for Trump? I know some who did. I am trying not to hate them for their unwise choice like I did during Bush years when I refused to speak to them. This time, I hope to educate them and win them over maybe.

Not sure I can with the hardcore deplorables, but some of the others seem capable of change. Should we reach out or just hit them with ugly sticks like people did to the Neo-Nazis and the Klan? Hitting those on the fence, however, will not win them over. And it sounds like we need them. Isn't that what coalition building is all about? Different groups trying to find common ground?

I get what you are saying about purity. I am guilty of having sometimes expected that. I am trying to change. But DUers keep trying to enforce the same thing. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to share your views with me. I appreciate it.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
186. No
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:34 PM
Aug 2017
Not sure I can with the hardcore deplorables, but some of the others seem capable of change. Should we reach out or just hit them with ugly sticks like people did to the Neo-Nazis and the Klan? Hitting those on the fence, however, will not win them over. And it sounds like we need them. Isn't that what coalition building is all about? Different groups trying to find common ground?


Please show me all the pictures of the anti Nazi people beating Nazis half to death.

Deandre Harris.




These are the ones you want to reach out to? These with their ugly sticks. How could you blame our side? The ones against racism and bigotry.

We do not need these people and never will. All they know is hate and believe in their right to White Supremacy.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
196. Those are NOT on the fence
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:39 AM
Aug 2017

I meant the dummies who just cast a stupid vote for Trump. Or even Stein or that Libertarian jackass. Can we get any of them to change their minds. They were dupes. Dopes. The others who marched like Nazis got exactly what they deserved. No argument from me!

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
194. Nope. Those poor people have enough confusing them, since they're not
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:17 AM
Aug 2017

white, not Christian and the very people Trump and his Nazis hate. But they're mostly in red states and their few votes didn't make a difference, nor did they infect anyone else.

I don't hate them, I just know how mind fucked they are from living in Texas and all that fox news that has crept into their heads. I haven't won them over, but they've figured out not to tangle with me debating policies. I've actually shut them up and convinced them on a couple of issues. I just can't pierce the raging Hillary hate that decades of Fox and nightly Hannity and O'Reilly have wrought.

I've lost respect for the hardcore deplorables on my FB page, one of whom was a history teacher in a private school full of the people Trump hates. I can only imagine what this man was thinking with all those brown kids and muslims he had to teach, though his classes were not honors so I don't know how many of them were in his classes.

These people who seem capable of change, how do you think they'd respond to you versus me? Would you be risking your life on sight with these people? I would. I cannot hide who and what I am. I have friends who have been infiltrating these Trump gatherings to just just what flavor and intensity of crazy they're cooking up. If you feel like reaching out, then do so, just stop expecting it from the rest of us. We're not privileged enough to survive that. It sounds like we need to win over all the idiots who believed the propaganda they were fed. They were lied to and the damage was done, we need to deal with them. Let the on-the-fence nazis and white supremacists and other deplorables seek absolution on their own. Coalition building is not about coddling Nazis or fascists, it's about seeking common ground with people who have the same goals we do. Those people do not share goals with me. They want me dead, they want me dehumanized and they think I'm an animal or a heathen. They're fine with robbing me of my culture and history and religion, but I am not a human being to them.

The purity forces were the ones who keep saying that we need to forget the basic tenets of our party to chase after angry white men.

Human rights is a purity test I can deal with, but when those humans are women, a great many here become all wobbly.


Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
203. The Hillary hate has been deliberately fostered for sure
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 01:35 AM
Aug 2017

It was like a reflex action for the right. Always my main fear concerning her candidacy. And not her fault. It was not "hers to lose" as so many said. She did not lose. Russian interference won the day. Rightwingers in Congress and the media stole the election from her. Some of them are starting to regret it.

But I am not talking about the hateful marchers. I am talking about the few deplorables who might be starting to regret their stupidity. Aligned as they are now with Nazis and looking worse than deplorable, maybe feeling guilty. I wonder if any are kicking themselves for being stupid enough to vote Trump. I hope some feel ashamed. Should we never forgive them for being duped? Should we just hate them forever? Can't we try to change minds? Win hearts?

Let's work to restore voting rights in red states. Work to get people to the polls. That's the sort of organizing DU does best, not just attack each other. Many people here have strong religious faith. They more than anyone should preach reconciliation with others on the left as well as those on the right that can be reached.

I don't know the answer, but the alternative is very ugly as we have seen. Nazis and blood in the streets. People who want to kill all of us on the left -- POC and Jews first, but the rest of us as well. We can only vow to fight those haters. But we can also not hate our own or others if they are on our side.

If the US punished Germany and Japan after WW2, we would have been within our rights, but we showed mercy, and these two nations are our allies today. Just sayin'...

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
244. They need to have their own moment to come to reason, they knew what Trump was
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:53 PM
Aug 2017

they what lies were being told about Hillary by the right and the left (often the same things). They did this. They should feel guilty. They need to examine what's broken in themselves and figure out how to fix it.

I hope they're kicking themselves and I hope it hurts when they do. If they want forgiveness they need to earn it and ask for it. I don't hate them, I just then know they hate me, and us and the rest of the world. I don't need to change their minds, I don't think they have hearts, they need to prove that to me, and they need to do the damned work.

We're already working on those things, they were supporting the restrictions of those voting rights. We're not attacking them, that's literally all on them, regardless of what Trump says. There is no "many sides" of equivalent guilt here. They chose to support a party of racism that promotes Nazis. They chose to attack us, they chose to support Trump and the GOP.

You can't "reconcile" with people who are trying to kill you and think you're not human, there is no compromise with people who want you dead. Having a strong religious faith doesn't equal trying to compromise with people who find supporting evil tolerable.

We're not the ones hating our own, we're the ones being attacked viciously by those who pretend to be on our side. There is a lot of latent racism even in these boards, as I found out on another thread, where supposed liberals are saying just what those tiki torch bearing lumps of pale, bald angry men were snarling, and they have no idea why they're so offensive. If they want to be on our side, they need to walk the walk and talk the talk, that goes for anyone.

We did punish Germany and Japan after ww2, we didn't show much mercy to Japan, considering we blew up 2 major cities with atomic bombs that incinerated civilian populations.

Germany didn't show their nazis any mercy and they're in control over there, just sayin' coddling Nazis is a dumb thing to do. if they want forgiveness, then earn it, they will not be given anything. Not by me or anyone who sees what they are and what they've done. Goes for the Repubs and the destructive forces who were pretending to be on the left and doing the work of the right. Right wingers have much work to do, anyone who spouted that nonsense is one of them. Even Republicans voted against Trump and Hillary, I have no forgiveness who saw Trump and did not vote for the only person who could have saved us from him. None.

IF they're feeling guilty, fine, they deserve to , now they can fix the mess they made.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
364. Marshall Plan POSTWAR
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:27 PM
Aug 2017

Post-war, the Japanese feared MacArthur would slaughter them and their emperor. He didn't. Americans occupied and rebuilt. We forgave. Same in Germany.

The nuking of Japanese cities pretty much ended hostilities. American soldiers came in and rebuilt. I know because my father was among that group. He went to Japan prepared to HATE every single person. He ended up embracing the people and culture. What is learned can be unlearned.

If we had punished them after the war, neither country would have made the kind of recovery they subsequently did.


Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
523. So not slaughtering them after we slaughtered their civilians was an act of great
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:01 PM
Aug 2017

"forgivenes"?

Fine, I'll forgive these Trump voters by not nuking or slaughtering them. So they can do what the Japanese and the Germans did, and address the elements in their society that they engaged in, and I'll keep from nuking them as I watch what they do closely, just like the U.S. did with their "forgiveness". We demanded that they put into action proof that they were not dangerous and they were not allowing those elements to survive in their country.

Yeah the people who actually require forgiveness rarely admit they need it, like we did when we annihilated 2 cities filled with civillians who were non combatants, and the Nazis who annihilated millions of people don't think they need forgiveness.

How did anyone rebuild the countless lives incinerated? The DNA of a population that was affected by radiation? Did we ask forgiveness?

That's nice that the went there to "hate" everyone who had every right to hate him, I think you do not see the views of the people who were the victims of unforgiveable acts.

American citizens knowingly supporting the nazi and fascist takeover of this country are not nations. You object to holding them accountable in the same we we did Japan and Germany. They didn't just get "forgiven" and everything was forgotten, they did things to earn that.

You seem to object to even treating them as we did the Germans and Japanese. Your analogy fails due to a simplistic and superficial view of post war countries.

Post Trump Nazis of the Right and the GOP have a great deal to do to provide reparations for their heinous actions.

Look up the Paris Treaty to understand why your analogy fails and why these Nazis and their enablers should do what their German brothers did in Germany by hunting down and ejecting the very worst of their Nazis and making them personal non grata, they didn't just hug it out with them and say all is forgiven and forgotten because we need to build bridges with ignorance, hate and violence, they required that those people who were guilty drive that out of their society.

Why won't you require that of the Nazi enabling hatemongers in your own circle? It's what the Allies did after all, and that's your argument, why change the rules?

mcar

(42,206 posts)
125. New Hampshire wasn't a sure thing
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:45 PM
Aug 2017

BTW, no one has the "luxury" of not voting or not voting for the best candidate on the ballot.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
137. He had the luxury?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:14 PM
Aug 2017

Wow. He had the luxury of allowing his wife's vital meds to be put on the line. The very meds he railed at Obama for taking, when he did not.

He had the luxury.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
145. He must have known she would carry his state
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:28 PM
Aug 2017

I did not for one second feel that certain about my blue state. Sorry, I used that word. He felt comfortable not voting. I did not. Obviously, you either. You voted for the candidate you felt was best. I voted for a candidate I felt was the only option while fearing that the other side would do anything to bring her down (as they did).

She was not wrong about a vast rightwing conspiracy against her. And she was not wrong that not every Democrat supported her wholeheartedly. Partially for that reason. I decided after the primaries that she was the only and best choice. I am sorry we were not able to convince more in swing states, but I am not sure it would have mattered due to Russian interference. I blame them. Not Comey. Or Pitt. Or any other progressive.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
164. Well we also drive potential voters away
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:50 PM
Aug 2017

by deriding their choices. When I say he must have known it is because in many states the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

But yes, it is a dangerous risk you and I did not take.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
175. The outcome is never a foregone conclusion.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:27 PM
Aug 2017

Women have fought far to long for their voice to be heard and our right to vote. We fought for our rights. We were imprisoned and force fed when we went on hunger strikes FOR OUR RIGHT TO VOTE! We do not toss our votes away. Perhaps it is easy for a white man to sit it out. They were allowed to vote long before us. They finally decided we were worthy and intelligent enough to vote.

I will deride anyone's decision to sit it out and not vote. No clue how that drives away potential votes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
187. Are you serious? Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire by less than THREE THOUSAND VOTES!
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:36 PM
Aug 2017

Four tenths of one percent. He rolled the dice and he got lucky.

H. Clinton 47.6% 348,521
D. Trump 47.2% 345,789
G. Johnson 4.2% 30,827
J. Stein 0.9% 6,416
R. De La Fuente 0.1% 676

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
205. No way as a former MA resident was he unaware NH is more purple than blue. NH
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:50 AM
Aug 2017

voted Bush over Gore (this was a Nader issue), Bush over Dukakis, Reagan over Carter, Reagan over Mondale.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
459. Each person who rags on a candidate, whoever it is, inflicts that crap
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:15 PM
Aug 2017

on at least 5 other people, each of them repeats something and all of a sudden one person has caused 20 to not vote because they throw their hands in the air and think both candidates are bad.

The nation wide, all day long everyday, non stop ATTACKS of Hillary Clinton is why she ONLY won by 3 million votes.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
274. Nope. Not ever.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:35 AM
Aug 2017

That's a filthy goddamned lie...you can use whatever hyperbole you want, but your statement is an outright fucking lie...

I am SICK to death of the bullshit circular firing-squad, purity tests here. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone else's viewpoint. And spare me the "He didn't vote for her so that's just like voting for Trump" bullshit,do you have no clue how the Electoral College works? He lives in a state that was going to go for the Democratic candidate NO MATTER WHAT, so he could have voted for fucking SPIDERMAN and she would still have won his state.

It's clearly become de rigeur to jump in the group think, and pile on those people that make you face the uncomfortable truth, but if you don't knock it the fuck off and start working together, this party is going to be stuck in the political wilderness for a very long time...

And i don't think this country can withstand that in the long term...

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
286. She won by 3,000 votes in his state.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:03 AM
Aug 2017

A swing state not a damn blue state.

That's a pretty clever crystal ball he owns there. "NO MATTER WHAT" you say? You shouldn't be screaming at anyone in this thread after that pile of baloney.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
370. Clarification: This is a board for Democrats, so the "purity" tests were
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:48 PM
Aug 2017

from those who were too "pure" to vote for the Democrat. It's not the other way around. Since you're attacking someone, it's best you keep your own house in order.

And it was already refuted that New Hampshire was a sure thing for Democrats. Someone else pointed out that the Nader lies affected that state before, so gambling away your vote meant on some level that Trump was okay. That's just a known consequence that doesn't even have to be articulated.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
377. My house is fine thank you very much...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:17 PM
Aug 2017

...it meant no such thing by the way...that's hindsight 20/20 bullshit...

The bigger issue is she couldn't hold the states she was supposed to win by a country mile like Wi, Pa and Mi...

But sure let's rag on someone that can't defend themselves from the outright lies being spewed in this thread...

He's not always my cup of tea either, but there's no way in hell he ever advocated, hinted, suggested, or endorsed voting for Donald Fucking Trump. That is an outright goddamned lie. Period.

The fact that this sort of Orwellian, two minutes of hate, bile is allowed on this site is a disgrace. We are supposed to be better than that.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
384. If you subvert the basic meaning of things, then it brings into question
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:29 PM
Aug 2017

what else has been subverted. Hillary was deemed not pure enough. It's not the other way around.

The lies about Hillary and Democrats aren't the first time this has happened. We also had the Nader lies. It's not as if lying about Democrats has worked out in our favor. It doesn't work out. Whatever excuses you have about other states, the fact remains that Clinton was maligned and viciously attacked, and that took a toll. People aren't going to stand for this anymore.

Look what we got out of in 2000 -- Gore was not the same as Bush.

It's common knowledge that if you don't vote for the Democrat, then the Republican gets the White House. Quit calling people liars for just acknowledging common sense and the natural consequence of rejecting "impure" candidates for vanity reasons.

That is the "hate and bile" that needs to be called out. There was a time I used to think I had to read this kind of nastiness to try and see the other side, but I've been disabused of that. Enough is enough with attacking Democrats. That's what you are noticing now.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
389. I think you have that precisely backwards...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:50 PM
Aug 2017

Since the election countless people have been harassed and driven away by the "purists" that required 100% fealty, even after her stunning defeat.

We need to come together or we are doomed. There is a man in the Whitehouse right now that actively defends Neo-nazis and yet he STILL has a 34% approval rating!!!

We need to find a way past the infighting, and rehashing of old fights, or we don't stand a chance to take back the House next year which is vital to stop the Dump/Pence regime...

Calling someone a nazi, or lying about the things someone said, achieves nothing constructive, and it needs to stop.

The future of the Republic may very well be on the line here...


R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
393. No, you are the one who has it backwards. The "purity" standards applied to supposedly impure
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:04 PM
Aug 2017

Democrats. You joined in March '17, but you don't get to rewrite history. You can look at the TOS and see it says "support Democrats". So I'm positive that's where it comes from. If you were maligning our candidate, the Democrat Hillary Clinton, then you were attacking her as "impure" that you wouldn't vote for her, and mostly for vanity reasons.

If you didn't support the Democrat, then it's implied that you knew what the consequences were to your actions -- a Republican in the White House. That is reality, and it's not a lie.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
86. Who cares if he insylted his mom -- and he supported TRump!
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:17 PM
Aug 2017

Your defending his sociopathy against that poster is an extremely odd hill to die on.

And, your ignoring his support for Trump is noted.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
109. So target me next?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:54 PM
Aug 2017

I have not done my part for DU over the years? I have not supported, towed party lines, posted, been active, worked for Democrats enough to earn the respect of not being dismissed by being told I am choosing an "odd hill to die on" ? That my unorthodoxy "is noted"? I am dismissed for asking you to prove Pitt or anyone else ON THIS SITE ever supported Trump?

I have spent the past 6 months doing nothing but attacking him. Here and everywhere else. If you think I need to be driven off from here, fine. I will still be attacking Trump elsewhere.

Why am I shocked by your words?

oasis

(49,150 posts)
185. Will Pitt was the first to welcome me when I was a "newbie".
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:30 PM
Aug 2017

He provided me with informational links and he always put in a good word for DU whenever he got a guest spot on the radio. That was my memory of him back in the day.

I unretired during most of Obama's two terms so I rarely posted on DU. Don't know much what went on over here. I'm far from being sympathetic to anyone hostile to HRC, which I have come to understand, he falls into that category.

You seem to be taking quite a pounding here on his behalf, so for that, and for old time's sake, I salute you.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
271. He used his paltform to urge people nt to vote for Hillary
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:30 AM
Aug 2017

Declared Trump a much better prospect for Presdient than HRC. Said this publicly for MONTHS, over and over and over.

Called Obama a piece of shit used car salesman.

Threatened, on here, to murder a homeless and mentally ill woman, to beat her so badly the cops would need DNA to identify her.

So, I don;t get why being an "old timer" should get you passes for any of this, or why people shouldn't tell the TRUTH abOUT Pitt.

There are plenty of old timers who have done none of these things, and I salute THEM.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
284. My post doesn't give Will Pitt a pass
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:53 AM
Aug 2017

on anything you list as a negative. I was saluting Generic Other for his recognition of Pitt's past positive contributions.

donheld

(21,311 posts)
486. William Pitt did NOT support Trump. Ever.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 03:15 AM
Aug 2017

You made that shit up. I read nearly everything the man writes. Never once did he say Trump would be a better president. Ever.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
42. The guy who called Obama a used car salesman and didn't vote for Hillary...
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:27 PM
Aug 2017

...has no credibility here.

Response to Beringia (Original post)

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
62. Why.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

Why should any Democrat, PoC, Woman, (out) LGBTQ, or member of the left give a good (or bad) shit what a "conscience voter" has to say about 45 ... he elected him."

Please delete this OP. It is not helping. Pitt elected trump with his refusal to vote for Hill. He stated that clearly and loudly on our Democratic board that he would vote trump or third party.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
63. Do you have a link to this post?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:18 PM
Aug 2017

Because I thought he did not cast a vote in a BLUE state. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
67. He lives in NH....moved there from MA.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:29 PM
Aug 2017

Blue state. No clue where the thread is...I was on it at the time...he got two hides on that thread...maybe three.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
72. I did not see these threads but he stated on election day
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

he left the slot blank because HRC would win his state. I did not do this in my state. I voted for her after losing the primaries. I did not badmouth her, and I tried to support wholeheartedly even as I read thread after thread about us Bernie folk being scum. I did not rise to the bait. I focused instead on today and tomorrow and the real issues we needed to address. I voted for HRC and she won the popular vote. Nothing Pitt did impacted the outcome.

We have real Nazis among us. Unless they are trolls, none of them are on DU. I hope we can agree on that much. It would be a start anyway.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
82. Where did he state that on election day?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:01 PM
Aug 2017

Not on DU...he was gone from here on August 9th. Three months before the election.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
89. He also posts on other social media and Truthout
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:26 PM
Aug 2017

DUers cannot silence his voice everywhere. And I am not sure why some would spend more energy trying to silence Pitt than they do attacking Trump.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
100. This is one thread.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:42 PM
Aug 2017

One thread. None of us really care about him until someone posts his crap here.

Have you missed all the anti trump threads on DU? I think we are choosing our time wisely. We do not need the distraction of a banned poster that spent much of his time bashing Democrats on a Democratic board. We got it. He hated Obama and Hillary.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
117. When does DU get its pound of flesh?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:18 PM
Aug 2017

When can we read and quote from Truthout without being told Will Pitt is bad. It has happened since Day One on DU. Like clockwork. I meant to say one thing on this thread and move on.

I am not trying to make enemies, but clearly, I have now pinned a bullseye on my chest and may as well find a new home to post my views and fight against the right wing agenda because I defend and support people who have been DUs strongest voices but are now hated. This is not the first time (nor possibly the last) that I have defended DUers who were being attacked by others.

I apologize for speaking out of turn. People can just put me on ignore. And vice versa. But what good does that really do any of us?

I have respected and listened to your voice many times, sheshe2. I am just surprised at the anger we direct against each other here. How do we direct the anger where it belongs? None of us hated Obama. Some of us said stupid things in the heat of the moment. I know I did and regretted it.

When do we quit building walls and dividing our ranks?

still_one

(91,937 posts)
147. There is a reason for the disdain of William Pitt on DU, and it isn't unfounded.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:29 PM
Aug 2017

Below is the thread where he posted those vile comments.

He eventually self deleted that OP, but it stayed up there for more than a year

Here are the words Pitt used toward President Obama::

"F--- you, Mr. President, you piece of sh*t used-car salesman.

From my heart and soul, f--- you."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887802

He also didn't vote for the Democratic nominee in the most important election of our lives, and the EXCUSE that "he was in a blue state", doesn't hold water. That is the same garbage some people were saying in 2000 when they voted for Nader.

Mr. Pitt is the one who built that wall and worked diligently to divide the ranks.

He made his bed, and is now is persona non grata here on DU

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
160. Not getting single payer is what has put Obamacare in jeopardy
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:43 PM
Aug 2017

We all knew it was flawed but hoped we could change it if we kept the president's "feet to the fire." Today, I bet even President Obama wished he had fought harder for single payer. It would have been even harder to overturn now and done more good ultimately.

If I had a spouse with a terminal illness, I would be angry too. I am meeting middle class folks with high insurance rates who blame Obama for not doing more. I have maybe begun to see how complicated it is. I still believe in single payer. I do not blame Obama for failing to get it. But I still think we need to keep fighting for it. And we need to quit with the constant recriminations. That's all.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
169. The high rates are not the fault of Obama.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:09 PM
Aug 2017

Everyone knew the ACA needed to be fixed, and Obama faced obstruction fixing it...he idealistically believed that he could improve the status quo by appropriating a plan that he hoped would get republicans on board. And for millions of Americans the ACA was an improvement.

The GOP has so twisted the narrative in the way Obama is blamed for outcomes that were a direct result of their obstinacy and determination to see him fail.

And they were able to do this because in a census year, democrats stayed home, and the GOP took the house- democrats ought to have known the risks of allowing that to happen. Worse yet, the tea party rebellion ensured there were fewer republican centrists who would have been prepared to reach across the aisle.

As for Pitt, I had no idea who he was prior to this year ( I joined DU after the primaries)

From my observation in this thread, he seemed to have been yet another person on the left who did not understand that presidential elections are a zero sum game. By using his influence (such as it was) to denigrate the dem candidate, He was typical of many who don't understand game theory: the simplest theory there is to understand - Vote in ways that give you the best outcome based on the choices before you. He is now complaining about a President who is 100 times less progressive and liberal than the choice he shat on : Hillary. No matter how you slice it, this is dumb.

And that is on him........voters are adults...they shouldn't be coddled.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
206. Nailed it! I don't know how you could be any CLEARER. Still, unfortunately...
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:47 AM
Aug 2017

... there are many groupies, fan-boys, fan-girls, and other assorted sycophants who'll continue to make excuses for his ugly words and threats, and for his myopic self-indulgent behavior. And you know, I just don't get all the adoration for him. Even if I had never heard about the "personal issues" and other conflicts that have happened here... setting that aside just for a moment... he's really a HORRIBLE writer. It's clear to me that he gets paid by-the-word, and after he comes up with his basic outline of what he wants to say, he goes back and "dresses it up" to such an extreme that it becomes a laughable distraction. That type of writing style is often described as "Purple Prose"


Liz Bureman explains purple prose while intentionally using purple prose in the explanation itself:

"On occasion, one finds oneself immersed in the literary throes of a piece of prose where there is very little in the way of advancement of the plot or development of the characters, but the pages are still filled with words. Since the esteemed author has allowed their writing to take a turn for the dry and dull, they gallantly attempt to overcompensate for the lack of stimulation by indulging in elaborate turns of phrase."


still_one

(91,937 posts)
179. His wife WAS COVERED FOR HER MEDS, and Mr. "know it all" opened his big mouth before knowing all
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:38 PM
Aug 2017

facts. Even when he was informed of that, he keep that OP alive for over a year, and made subsequent anti-Obama and Hillary posts. Sorry, but Pitt is a jerk, and that is NOT a recrimination, that is a fact.

The stakes were never higher than they were in 2016, and any self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee I will NEVER forget or forgive.

Sarandon was recently interviewed by one of the late night talk hosts, and she was spewing about how trump would bring about "their so-called revolution".

What their "revolution" accomplished was that every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states, lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, because some believed the LIES that there was no difference between the republicans and the Democrats.

Noam Chomsky said it best, progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’

“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

Pitt's fan club is over at JPR, where the majority of those other self-identified progressives also refused to vote for Hillary.

As for Single Payer, it couldn't pass. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES. The blue dogs made it clear
they would NOT vote for it, and they needed every vote to get something passed. There was no leeway.

They had a limited time to pass it, or have nothing.

As for those who want to blame President Obama for the high insurance rates, what is their context? Which states are they in? Did their states expand Medicaid? Were they entitled to a subsidy? How much of those increased rates is due to their state's implementation of the exchanges, and unwillingness to make it work? I could go on, but without details there is no point.


sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
182. Even Bernie ADMITTED
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:50 PM
Aug 2017

WE NEVER EVER HAD THE VOTES FOR SINGLE PAYER!

Never had the votes. Even with ya'll keeping his feet to the fire we never had the votes!!!

Sorry. Will has to take some responsibility here. He never researched what was covered in NH for his wife's meds. Then blames Obama. In that thread time and time again DUers gave him good solid advice and he ignored it all. So. Fact. Proves one thing and one thing only. He never wanted a solution. He wanted to bash Obama.

That is a fact.

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #182)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
506. It was not possible...and I for one am thankful we got something...it changed the way
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:34 AM
Aug 2017

people view health insurance...now a majority view it as a right. As for his wife's illness...that was a failure on his part to check out what plans covered...and it was corrected as I recall. We will not get single payer in the form of a big bill pushed though congress...but by lowering the age of medicare if we get it at all...we may end up with a Switzerland type plan...and for those who say Obama didn't try hard enough...I say...I worked my ass off to get a unicorn, and I still don't have one. Sometimes things are just not possible. Obamacare saved my daughter's life and Mr. Pitt used it to care for his wife as well...so maybe we should be thankful we got something...many great Dems sacrificed their seats for that legislation. And it makes me sick to see how many don't appreciate it.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
180. This is just a pure flamebait thread. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the garbage that Pitt
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:45 PM
Aug 2017

spewed here against Hillary or President Obama, and than implies we should "stop the recriminations" against Pitt, is insulting

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
183. Ya.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:54 PM
Aug 2017

I know.

Sad isn't it. Like we don't have a self proclaimed Nazi in the WH...now this...bashing two people I love.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
320. I wasn't around for Pitt
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:43 AM
Aug 2017

But he seems like a narcisist to the 10th power, and it's amazing to me that a post that slurs President Obama like that would be allowed to stand, let alone get 196 recs from Obama hating alleged progressives. Pretty fucking pitiful.

Glad I missed Pitt even if it is an interesting soap opera. He doesn't seem like any kind of progressive I know, or would want to know.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
230. I agree
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:32 PM
Aug 2017

The amount of hatred expressed here towards others on the left is actually frightening. Not just this one person. I've seen it over and over. Fuck this person, Fuck that person. Calling people alt-left etc. What a waste of time.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
107. No offense but drop the strawmen and hyperbole and people might engage you.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:52 PM
Aug 2017

"I am not sure why some one would spend energy trying to silence Pitt than they do attacking Trump"

DU runs on hyperbole and strawmen, but that takes the cake.

"DUers cannot silence his voice everywhere". Said nobody ever.

The guy got banned at DU and for good reason. So yeah some folks get annoyed having his stuff posted @ DU.

And no you are not a victim nor are you being persecuted, as I saw you suggest up thread.

Nor did anyone here call Pitt a Nazi, another one of your strawman fabrications I just saw you make in another post.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
114. I misread the post and apologized
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:01 PM
Aug 2017

But I am still waiting for anyone to post a DUer saying they supported Trump. Accusing people of this without proof is what I find hard to take.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
116. Good for you. Maybe you could go further and self-delete that post where you accused him falsely
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:13 PM
Aug 2017

of calling Pitt a Nazi.


Pitt shat non-stop on the Dem nominee during campaign 2016, try not to be so literal minded.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
119. I edited the post to take responsibility for my error
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:23 PM
Aug 2017

Many of us said things we regretted during the primaries. During the primaries, I said I would NEVER vote for HRC over Bernie. I voted for her. So did Bernie. We are not enemies.

I understand you are still raging mad forever at Pitt. I just thought I could appeal to your better nature to move on to the real enemy.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
124. Dude I am not "raging mad" about anything or anyone, especially op-ed writers
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:43 PM
Aug 2017

My goal was to remind you that Will was banned @ DU. He was banned for a good reason by Admins. That's why people are not happy to see his work here.

I also wanted to push back on some of the hyperbolic strawmen arguments you were posting.

Personally think Pitt went off the rails, that's a shame.

Of course you and I are not enemies!

Bernie primary supporter here too. I always support the person closest ideologically to me. My choice rarely gets the nom.So getting out and enthusiastically knocking doors for the nom in the general is what I do. We know who the real enemy is.

I didn't say anything I regretted in the primary nor have I in any primary that I remember.

I know who our real enemies are. Not fellow DU'ers nor Democrats. Thanks for offer to enlighten me but we're good!

Have a good night.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
88. he posted scores and scores of posts saying this on FB
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:21 PM
Aug 2017

He may ahve chosen at the end not to vote -- WHCIH WAS STILL A VOTE FOR TRUMP -- but for almost a year, he did nothing but attack Obama and Hillary, and support TRump over HRC. I am on his FB friends list -- I read this garbage for months.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
94. But you can't find a quote?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:32 PM
Aug 2017

Well, I will have to take your word for it then because I also read FB and no one was talking smack about anyone but Trump as far as I recall.

Last DU Journal post:
HEADS UP Clinton supporters
I was for Bernie. But if you're looking for something to convince people to vote for her, this is the article of the year...P.S. Non-Hill people: Read this, too. It is also the ultimate defenestration of Trump and the GOP.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512353821

still_one

(91,937 posts)
158. The whole strawman argument that, "you need to give us an argument to vote for you" is bullshit
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:40 PM
Aug 2017

The Supreme Court wasn't a reason?
Women's rights were not a reason?
Civil Rights were not a reason?
Healthcare was not a reason?
Workers rights were not a reason?
Social Security and Medicare were not a reason?
The environment wasn't a reason?

The differences just on those issues, between republicans and Democrats were as clear as day, and anyone who spews the garbage that the Democratic nominee didn't give us a reason to vote for her in the general election is full of it.

mopinko

(69,803 posts)
315. he wrote in bernie, so yeah, essentially, did not vote.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:28 AM
Aug 2017

and tho technically not a vote, since he wasnt a declared write in, just how much bigger would the popular vote margin have been w/o all these idiots and the conscience?

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
156. I hear he had the "luxury" of not voting Clinton.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:38 PM
Aug 2017

After reading all of these replies it seems he didn't simply embrace that "luxury", he attacked her with his national platform as well. That part is missing from the "luxury" justification. Seems more like it was entitled luxury and an affront to each group you mentioned.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
77. I agree William Rivers Pitt is a coward
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:50 PM
Aug 2017

who, as far as I know, has yet to take responsibility for putting the fascist in the White House.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
97. I've been a DU member since early 2002
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:40 PM
Aug 2017

DU was my haven, post 911, as it was for so many of us.

Pitt was a big part of that, active and fully dedicated to Democratic principles.

Then Barack Obama got elected. Pitt morphed into one of the Democratic president's chief detractors. He seemed to go out of his way to find fault.

Then came the POSUCS episode. A man who didn't bother to research medical insurance coverage for his chronically Ill wife before they moved from a large city to a rural area pitched a royal fit when he realized her meds were not covered under the new insurance. Did he blame himself? No. He called the best president of my lifetime (I'm 58), a piece of shit.

I, and other DUers, stepped in to offer advice. Within an hour of his posting his temper tantrum, his problem was solved. Still, he kept the thread going for days if not weeks, while DUs Obama haters gleefully piled on. Only then did he delete the thread and apologize in a new one.

I recall that in the new thread, his acolytes twisted themselves into pretzels to justify his egregious behavior.

Then came the 2016 primary. Enough said.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
192. His Mom told him to delete.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:02 AM
Aug 2017

He finally did.

Then came the apology thread that was not an apology.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
211. He had a pattern of doing that
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:25 AM
Aug 2017

Posting a flame bait, usually anti-Obama, thread, then deleting it. Then following up with a not quite apology thread.

Beringia

(4,313 posts)
108. You are welcome
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:53 PM
Aug 2017

It seems people really love to vent. This was a thoughtful post by William Pitt on the topic of the day. So many posts on DU are just 2 lines and just spark of an idea. We need all hands on deck to display Trump as the dangerous fool he is.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
234. Bash
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:39 PM
Aug 2017

An intellectually dishonest term, the meaning of which is deliberately vague and nebulous.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
157. Some of us don't care for this fascist state Pitt worked
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:40 PM
Aug 2017

so tirelessly to install in power.

"We love each other": a sentiment Pitt never showed toward Democrats, toward President Obama or Hillary Clinton. Nor did he show it toward the homeless DUer he threatened to beat to a pulp. He certainly didn't show it toward the poor and vulnerable whom he chose to ignore while arguing against Clinton's being elected.

It's called hypocrisy and lies. He stood against all of those values he pretends to hold now.

Trump is a fascist, and Pitt and every other person who refused to stand up to fascism by voting for Clinton last November are the Vichy Collaboration. The Nazis would not now be emboldened if not for them, and Heather Heyer would not be dead.

Not only did he refuse to stand up to fascism through his vote, he fomented its rise by using his position at Truthout to ensure Clinton lost to the fascist.

Actions matter, and we are living through the hell that self-entitled assholes like Pitt imposed on this country. While he sits safe in his Trust Fund world, those who lack his self-entitlement and privilege live in terror because of what he and other narcissists like him did to this country. Every immigrant family torn apart and even injury and death from a hate crime is on um and the rest of the Vichy Collaboration.

And if that's really what you consider thoughtful, you need a better class of reading material.

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
354. He also posted in support of a few very vocal misogynists here...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:55 PM
Aug 2017

in fact, he doubled down when called out on it. I hadn't disliked him or thought much about him until then. I couldn't figure out why he'd support them for the things they posted. Those posters were banned (although it took a long time!)

After Pitt had a daughter, he seemed to change, perhaps seeing the world as it is going to be for his little girl. I think he even wrote about it. I am not sure why he hadn't given his wife as much consideration but I am glad he started to think about it.

After that he showed his true colors again for all of the reasons you listed. That's why I posted above he has no audience here. His followers know where to find him.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
362. Except the state he lives in, and voted in, went for Hillary.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:18 PM
Aug 2017

So other than Heather Heyer's death, and the "fascist state he worked so tirelessly to install", what else is he responsible for?

Seriously, do you even hear yourself? Have you no decency? Have you no sense of proportion? He wrote down Bernie Sander's name on his ballot as he is legally allowed to do, and it had NO IMPACT on his state's overall
result.

This sort of unhinged vitriole is precisely what Skinner has said, "makes DU suck".

I hope you are proud of yourself.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
382. Did I say he didn't have a constitutional right to vote as he pleased?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:23 PM
Aug 2017

Of course he does. He and every other person who voted for Trump or anyone else of course is within their rights to vote exactly as they please. This isn't a clinic on voter rights. It's about CHOICES. Do people stand up against evil--against fascism--or do they abet it.

Pitt and the rest of the Vichy collaboration did not simply stop at voting against Clinton. Pitt used his position at Truthout to argue against the election of Clinton in the general election. They spread every bit of Kremlin and GOP propaganda to ensure her defeat to Trump. They made it their fucking mission in life, and they succeeded. They got exactly what they wanted. This is their victory, the America they created, and they own every last life lost as a result.

Support for Democrats does not make DU suck. It is a requirement for membership of this site. This is not a site where Stein/Trump/Nazi party voters are welcomed equally along with Democrats. The name DEMOCRATIC, as in the party, is in the fucking title of the site.

What sucks is fascism. What sucks is cowards who not only refused to stand up to fascism but now cry victim because people like me don't put their fragile egos over the lives of those lost and jeopardized by the regime they worked to put into power.

The choice in 2016 could not have been clearer. It was obvious Trump was racist, ultra-reactionary, and fascist. Any vote against Clinton was a vote for him. That's how it works in America. Bernie was a candidate in the primary, not the GE. He told his supporters to vote for Clinton, but they refused and used him as an excuse, as cowards do. They had their own reasons for their hatred of the Democratic Party AND most importantly the Democratic voters they chose to punish through their votes, writing, arguments, and campaigning against Clinton. Hillary Clinton as an individual was the least of the issues on that ballot. Her candidacy was the only thing standing in the way of America's descent into fascism. Rather that standing up to that fascist assault, they chose to abet it.

The excuse that those votes didn't matter is the refuge of cowards. If their votes didn't matter, why did they work so hard to convince others not to vote for Clinton? If Clinton won his state, it was against his best efforts, since everything he said and did was directed toward ensuring she lost. In Michigan she lost by two voters per precinct. Are you going to claim that all of the constant posts at sites like JPR, on Twitter, on Truthout and all of social media had absolutely no bearing on those votes? That's bullshit. People don't get to devote their every breath for years on end to defeating the Democratic nominee and then claim their votes didn't matter because their entire state wasn't taken in by their LIES and Kremlin propaganda.

If you ever looked at history and thought, why didn't people stop Hitler, you need look no further. This is exactly why. Because too many refused to stand up against fascism. They put their petty animosities and egos first. The lives of those imperiled by fascists were less consequential to them compared to their bruised egos and/or anger at those same populations for refusing to defer to the white male bourgeois entitlement, the kind of entitlement that takes more offense at outrage to fascism and those who refused to stand up to it than in the violence we are witnessing around America at the hands of White Supremacists.

Your version of decency is indecent. It is refusing to stand up to evil, and then placing the egos of those who refused to stand up to that evil above its victims.

The truly repulsive thing about these defenses of so-called "progressive" Trump/Stein/ratfuck voters is that it shows a complete refusal to learn from past mistakes. It shows that they continue to put their egos over the lives of their fellow citizens, which is exactly how we got in this situation in the first place. And by refusing to acknowledge any error or responsibility and demanding that we all put their feelings first, it shows they have every intention of continuing to demand that the less privileged, affluent members of the public put them and their narcissism over their own lives. Obscene doesn't begin to describe the moral bankruptcy that such a posture reveals.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
404. Heather Heyer, the families ripped apart by immigration raids
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

those who will lose their health insurance and even die if the GOP succeeds in repealing Obamacare. The victims of hate crimes. I will add many many more. And if that is what you consider obscene, so be it. the list will only grow by the day. And if you take that personally, I can only presume you have a good reason for doing so.

For the record, I think those who voted against Clinton out of spite are infinitely worse than Trump voters who thought he would improve their lives. The former knew he was bad but willingly chose him over Clinton. They KNEW they were doing harm. They KNEW they were causing suffering. That is what I consider obscene.

Response to WoonTars (Reply #390)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
507. People who wrote articles that attacked the Democratic nominee and then did not vote for her
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:39 AM
Aug 2017

after publicly declaring they would not...have blood on their hands...including the blood of( but not limited to )those killed and injured in Charlottesville. If you didn't support Hillary and vote for her with words and deeds in the General...then you supported Trump.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
101. Gee, let's hear what the asshole who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election thinks
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:44 PM
Aug 2017

NO THANK YOU!!!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
105. Pitt, and his ilk, is responsible for Trump. So he can take a long walk on a short peer AFAIC.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:49 PM
Aug 2017

He secretly loves Donald Trump cuz he gets to make $$$$$ off the misery he helped create. Fuck WP.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
122. Interesting Thread ! Bill Pitt sure can be as flippant as Trump is for sure !
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:31 PM
Aug 2017

I looked at that article on the link Truth out org. and I noticed at the bottom he has this thing about himself. I recall that day he came on with pos of a used car salesmen,at the time it seemed to me he was venting at a time of tragedy in his life.He actually received considerable support from DU'ers given the circumstances . And as it turned out ,as was mentioned, eloquently I must say ,within a few hours his issues were nothing at all like he imagined. So he went off the rails ! OK, so he fooled us for a while. And he's gone now.

But since he is of topic (!) I did notice this ,-

William Rivers Pitt
William Rivers Pitt is a senior editor and lead columnist at Truthout. He is also a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of three books: War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know, The Greatest Sedition Is Silence and House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation. His fourth book, The Mass Destruction of Iraq: Why It Is Happening, and Who Is Responsible, co-written with Dahr Jamail, is available now on Amazon. He lives and works in New Hampshire.
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I should think by all that he would would have an office in NY Trump tower, no, just fooling there !

internationally best selling author it says. But is it truth ?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
126. All of that was built on his posts at DU
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:48 PM
Aug 2017

On a smaller scale, DUers honed their political voices by engaging each other here. Pitt, Skinner, Andy, all the others long gone cried, fought, supported each other as citizens became activists. Some got published locally. Pitt got national attention. I remember when he and one other long gone DUer leafleted Harvard Square, one of the first instances of activism on DU after Skinner's act of creating the site as a lifeboat for shellshocked Democrats and progressives. We spoke with a singular angry voice back then. We were the 2% of Americans who did not accept Bush after 9/11 or believe the lies that led to the Iraq war. We were naysayers shouting into a maelstrom of rightwing blather. And in many ways, that has not changed.

BTW, What Pitt says about himself in his byline is how it happened. He has been under fire on DU ever since. Even before the current and ongoing minute of hate organized against him.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
127. Yr not the only one who lived thru early DU
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:53 PM
Aug 2017

Will was honored here for the great work he did, so please no revisionist history that he was "under fire" on DU.

His work on Iraq was stellar and much appreciated.









Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
134. Don't forget Fitzmas
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:06 PM
Aug 2017

It was his nickname for years. Be honest. From the start, there were people annoyed with him for their own personal reasons. They piled on when he pissed them off. When people posted his articles, someone always posted to trash his writing style and bring him down a peg.

Raven

(13,872 posts)
144. Will was one of the early ones here and he has always spoken his mind and
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:24 PM
Aug 2017

truth to power. The purist here may not have liked what he has said and that is fine...we all have a right to our thoughts and opinions. He firmly believed that HC was the worst possible candidate to put up against DT and he was correct. He also said "bullshit" about some of what Obama did. When we get to the point of such mind purity that we don't tolerate ideas that are other than our own, we are becoming like the crowds carrying torches in Virginia. I understand that you all cannot know all that I know about William Pitt because you do not know him like I do, but, in a fight, I would be on his side and in a tempest, I'd pick his lifeboat.

For those of you who don't know who I am, I'm his mother and probably his worst critic.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
167. Appreciate your post. Yes, I did not like hearing young DU didn't admire and appreciate him because
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:58 PM
Aug 2017

everybody did. He wasn't "under fire" by DU'ers. He was respected for the hard work he put in.

At some point during his evolution as a op-ed writer he lost me, but yeah people disagree. Will always remember those early days. He was of the main people who made DU such an incredible forum.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
214. You are seriously equating people here who don't want to hear Pitt's crap to torch carrying
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:31 AM
Aug 2017

Nazis?

Holy shit.

I understand a mother's love for her child, but that was a horrible thing to say.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
229. Here less than a month & calling Will's a voice of "crap" ?
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:21 PM
Aug 2017

Holy shit!

Reading thru this entire thread, one could come away believing that William Rivers Pitt is worse than some Nazi brownshirt or a Fascist bastard and such despicable accusations are what are truly horrible.


R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
219. No, he was not right about Hillary. That kind of divisive shunning of Hillary
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:44 PM
Aug 2017

was intended to influence people not to vote for her, and now look what we have. That's the point. He was not right about Hillary. Con men like Donald knew how to manipulate people with divisive rhetoric because all he had to do was look at what was being done to Hillary and copy it. It's shameful how she was maligned.

And you are misusing "purist". The "purists" are those who savage any Democrat who isn't "pure" enough to measure up to the idealists standards because they live in the real world.

In fact, your comments about torch-carriers in Virginia show you have a lot of things backwards.

nini

(16,670 posts)
499. Thanks. He was VILE the way he handled his hatred of Hillary
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:15 AM
Aug 2017

Tough shit.. the blood of Trump hate is on his hands like so many others who actively attacked Hillary's character because his boy didn't get the nomination. . Destroying Hillary the way he did was unhinged. Having issues with Hillary is one thing.. but he went way too far after the nominee was indeed chosen.

And I will never forget his vile comments about an ex girlfriend and threatening others here. Purist peaceful people don't do that kind of crap either.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
228. We're gonna need a bigger boat, ha!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:51 PM
Aug 2017

Add me to those who'd jump into your son's lifeboat, Raven.

I've watched Will's political thought evolve here over many years, since the day he first signed up to DU, and, let me tell you, he is one of the many young 'uns who have continually given me hope for this country of ours. You done good!

Our kids who are determined to speak out when necessary, who are able to discern that coming tempest and know when it's time to sound the clarion call...those are the ones I listen to and choose to hear. Our future depends on it.



davsand

(13,420 posts)
374. Good to see you, Raven. It's been too long.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:01 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not on DU much these days and I miss seeing the folks I've known here.

Will has had his critics over the years, no doubt. Not gonna lie, there have been times when I really wanted to rise to his defense and times when I wanted to send him to his room for a timeout. (How DARE he be a mere human!) Thing is, in all the years I've known him I have never had cause to doubt his politics or his word. He's passionate, he's outspoken, he doesn't suffer fools, but he is what he is, and makes no bones about it.

One of the reasons that I've reduced my time here is the shift in the community to an attitude I just don't recognize. Like you, I've seen all the prior squabbles unfold here, and I've seen them pass. Seems to me that in the last few years stuff isn't passing, and all the old hurts are coming back up too. There's a sourness here these days that never used to cling like it does now. Maybe I'm too sentimental, but I haven't walked away like so many others have.

I actually have come to the point of hiding entire threads here--which I never used to do--rather than leave the site in disgust. It's that bad sometimes. I almost hid this thread, in fact. In retrospect, I probably should have, but it goes against my nature to plug my ears when I'm in disagreement.

I have NEVER seen Will advocate for voting for the orange assailant. Never ever. I did see Will discuss the electoral realities of voting third party or write in. I also saw him discuss the electoral realities and if it was "safe" to protest vote where you live. Not sure why that merits the level of attack I'm seeing here, but it is making me sad.

Laura

MuseRider

(34,057 posts)
422. I would like a place on that boat as well.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

He says what he says and he believes what he says and he works tirelessly to bring information to people hoping to educate them. Nobody has to agree with him but to attempt to hide everything he writes is simply stupid and short sighted and shows a lack of understanding how we learn and grow.

The only problem I have had with Will was a very long plane ride engaged in conversation with Ted Stevens because I had Will's first book, The Greatest Sedition Is Silence, in my lap intending to read it. Senator Stevens could not help himself he saw it and proceeded to talk endlessly about his thoughts. It was one LONG flight.

Other than that Will is bright and writes well and I agree with him much of the time. I am glad to know him. Nice to see you Raven.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
531. +1
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:29 PM
Aug 2017

...I do think Hillary became an excellent candidate, sullied by a wave of misogyny and opportunism regarding the email canard.

I wish more folks would have recognized the imperative to get behind our nominee.

That said, I think Will is a fine person and I appreciate his dedication to progressive causes and interests, and the passionate and often eloquent way he expresses his advocacy or dissent.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
131. OK, I see where you are going with it- BUT,
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:00 PM
Aug 2017

3 best selling books international acclaim,now than, can you expand on that ? Is he over billing himself ,you know for appearances ?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
141. He had a crosscountry speaking tour
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:20 PM
Aug 2017

was hired to be Kusinich's press spokesperson during primaries in 2004 (way before Kusinich went rightwing). He was a DU success story. And also always had enemies. I guess dynamic characters draw friends and foes. Goes with the territory.

I have been defending people on DU who get attacked for a long time. I have a history of doing that. Maybe I defended the wrong people sometimes (BevH for one). Mostly, I was right though. Many who drove people off were often themselves later exposed as disruptors.

If I am driven off for my comments in this thread, so be it. I just feel strongly about supporting people who have carried my water in the past.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
155. Fair enough
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:37 PM
Aug 2017

I really don't think you will be driven off . Looking at how he bills himself on truthorg one might draw the conclusion he must be doing well, book sales you know. I don't know all that much about young Pitt, what I do know is he doesn't seem to handle criticism well. And that for a writer who opens up dialog with readers is a short coming. OK so, he has issues.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
128. So where's the part where he discloses that he supported Trump in the last election?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:57 PM
Aug 2017

Oh right, it's not there. That would require intellectual honesty.

Beringia

(4,313 posts)
129. I know he said he would not vote for Hillary
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 08:59 PM
Aug 2017

But what did he say about actually voting for Trump?

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
138. He said Trump wuld be a better President than Hillary
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:14 PM
Aug 2017

And, you shouldnt even vote, but if you do, vote for Stein if you could, but if not, then TRump. NEVER vote for Hillary, ever.

I AM ON HIS FRIEND'S LIST AND SAW MONTHS AND MONTHS OF HIS SHITTY POSTS LIKE THIS

This banned poster, who threatened to murder a mentally ill woman.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
314. Except it wasn't, was it?
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:27 AM
Aug 2017

Specifically he wrote in Bernie Sanders in a State that Hillary won.

My entire family were Bernie supporters, but they all voted for Hillary, and we're in a very safe Dem state.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
530. Except no. Do you even Electoral College?
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:21 PM
Aug 2017

His state went for Hillary, so please explain to me how his vote got Dump elected.

I'll wait...

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
542. Was he living in New Hampshire...very slim margin there?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:41 AM
Aug 2017

Also, those who did not for Hillary affected the popular vote ...the bigger the better as it would be more humiliating for Trump. He failed to vote for the Democratic nominee and encouraged others in states that narrowly went for Trump to vote against Hillary...thus he has blood on his hands and can screw off.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
159. Not voting for Hillary is the equivalent of supporting Trump.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:41 PM
Aug 2017

Seeing as how there are two possible choices, it's not very complicated. It's impossible for a person to have any sort of progressive principles and not support Hillary in the last election. Unless they are insane, which in Pitt's case is certainly possible.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
135. No tears for the Pitt who is technically still a member.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:09 PM
Aug 2017

Apparently he was FFR'ed last August for an OP about Hillary, which was hidden:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8086007

I can't comment on the OP, but August 9 was after the convention in July, and DU was in election mode, and there was no Hillary harp that hadn't been strummed a thousand times. So whatever he had to say had already been said to death.



Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
142. Yes he did an I'm walking post before he - departed !
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:22 PM
Aug 2017

You know, he mentioned the Nancy Sinatra song boots made for walking. What it looked like is the heat got turned up and he cut out and ran. I recall that rather lengthy post just prior to his cutting out.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
148. It does seem as though he might have intended it.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:29 PM
Aug 2017

He could hardly have had any illusions about what would probably happen.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
162. He didn't post this thread today
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:45 PM
Aug 2017

So if you want to blame someone for defending its being here, I am the one to direct the anger at today.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
168. I kind of feel under fire
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:00 PM
Aug 2017

DU has been my home for many years, but I don't agree with what happens on these threads.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
171. Well, you have been around a long time .
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:12 PM
Aug 2017

And so have some of Pitt's critics. Pitt's history here run's deep and is loaded with controversy some of which is laced with praise ,even raving reviews. But some of Pitt's critics are quite knowledgeable about William Rivers Pitt and there is I dare say, some dark truths. And we must after all except the good with the bad . If you are going to post Pitt's work ,it stands to reason it is subject to criticism,or he is. The door was left open.


Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
181. I did not post his work
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:49 PM
Aug 2017

but many DUers open the threads to read his articles just like I do. And many have rec'd it. I could ignore all the voices raised against him, but I choose not to do that today. I could put some on ignore, but I do choose not to do so today. DUers are of course free to ignore me if they choose to do that to me too.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
184. I know you didn't start the thread.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:17 PM
Aug 2017

The point is Pitt's work is subject to criticism as is William Rivers Pitt himself .When his work or opinion pieces are posted ,he also gains visibility. And with that comes good comments and serious criticism as well. Pitt knows how it works.There is no room for thin skins in the writers game and Pitt knows that too.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
391. I see where you are going with that.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:58 PM
Aug 2017

Here it is again,

Pitt's work is subject to criticisim as is William Rivers Pitt himself. That means on this site Pitt himself is subject to criticism as a writer and as a former member of this particular on line community.

Now, you tell me, am I right or am I wrong about that ?

DU is here to stay and the way it was is no more. ONE word-CHANGE.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
408. DU used to be so much more than ad hominem attacks
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:02 PM
Aug 2017

So you say "ONE word-CHANGE."

I am not sure I understand. If you mean DUers no longer believe in activism against the GOP, then that is a change I can't support. If you think DU is about picking on each other forever, insisting no one express a dissenting opinion, then that is also something I cannot support.

CHANGE is not always a good thing. I see many many people posting on this thread who were chased off this site. They are here being counted. Some things do NOT change. Look at the number of recs this thread has. Many long-absent DUers. Their views have not CHANGED. CHANGE for the worse is not change I support.

Anyway, I am not trying to pick a fight with you.

Peace out.


Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
448. How about DU evolves and change as it is and always is remains.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:47 PM
Aug 2017

Participating in DU is activisim for as much or as little as it is. DU will continue to evolve because it simply must. It can seem as though change is either slow to come or it comes to fast . One would almost think at times change orders itself. One thing for certain ,ordering change is no easy task. All we can do is roll with the changes or what?

What I mean ,if nothing else exists than only change does exist.

My instincts tell me Pitt is somewhat of an opportunist. Visibility. I see the recs. And I haven't seen Pitt's presence for quite some time now.

I do see some users are not going to let old Bill Pitt kept way back there in archives.
Especially at such an opportune time, Trump in a downward tail spin and all.

But that's just opinion. I don't hate Pitt or his work, I don't even know him,nor do I read his stuff.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
241. He supported Trump over Hillary, and urged liberals not to vote
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:46 PM
Aug 2017

So yeah, he is part of the reason why Trump won.

Your concern against Starry is noted.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
355. This Winston Smith moment has been extended
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:58 PM
Aug 2017

into a ongoing flashmob largely because of me speaking up. I tried not to respond yesterday, hoping the voices would calm down, but it is obvious that if we do not denounce those who are marked out for DU scarlet letters, we risk having to wear them ourselves.

Well, I will wear one. I backed Bernie in the primaries. I liked him after the primaries. I still like him. I voted for Hillary in the general. I stopped defending any other view after the primaries. But even my vote has been questioned on this thread, and the purity of my convictions has been questioned, and my creds as a DUer of longstanding has been questioned based on not thinking it is right to turn on other progressive voices as has happened here.

I will never understand. And I will not be silent. I have always stood up for DUers, usually admitted when I was wrong, and tried not to simply pick on other DUers with constant recriminations about something they said years ago in the heat of passion.

I have been a voice of reason and have had kneejerk responses. Appealing to people to give the Pitt character assassination a rest clearly backfired. Appealing to our better natures was a mistake.

I believe this thread exemplifies what Skinner said "makes DU suck."

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #241)

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
252. Jeez yourself.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:44 PM
Aug 2017

If one were too self-important to vote in solidarity with the oppressed in this election, one can go fuck oneself, imho.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
216. "It's about Trump 24/7 as you have reminded us in the past."
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:53 AM
Aug 2017

It's about much more than that. That is far to simple of a statement for me or to be correctly placed upon me. That is often the case when someone tries to define others.

You and I do clearly share a defined enemy. That is Trump. As a progressive I imagine we share a lot of things in common.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
200. i think it's fucked up that Pitt threatened to Kill another DU member and was allowed to continue
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:51 AM
Aug 2017

posting.

but minorites are banned if they defend democrats and call out trolls like pitt.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
242. Uh... yes she was a real person
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:47 PM
Aug 2017

She is mentally ill and homeless, and quite a few DUers know her.

And Pitt threatened to murder her, and he meant it.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
253. She is a real person.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:48 PM
Aug 2017

Several of us were in email contact with her before she fell out of communication.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
427. This happened and was swept under the DU rug. Not one of our finer moments.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not into hero worship of anybody. I find it particularly unpleasant when hero worship supports a person who literally threatened to murder somebody, in very graphic terms.

If anybody ever deserved to be banned from this site, that post should have done it.

I've been here since 2004, served as an old mod, new host, MIRT. Was banned myself for years and never threatened to murder anybody. Take my opinion for what it's worth.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
202. I was never a Pitt fan
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 01:19 AM
Aug 2017

always thought he was a bit too impressed with himself, and really kind of a dick tbh, but ffs he's just a guy on the internet. The way people rant and rave about this guy is ridiculous.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
207. We can always count on Will Pitt to post his poignant insights
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:53 AM
Aug 2017

three days after they've been widely posted by other people.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
213. every word printed
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:58 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:33 AM - Edit history (3)

on edit: I did not know or forgot that pitt voted for trump, so pitt can go to hell with his assessment of what happened in Virginia.Someone also reminded me that he was the author of Obama/used car salesman statement. He enabled this to happen, along with the idiot potus, shadow leaders bannon, miller and gorka. I stand by every word I wrote about idiot potus and hateful troika....running our country.

I knew we were in trouble when I heard bannon would be the bee pouring poisonous honey in the ear of our idiot potus. An ear by the way that wanted to hear the words of our shadow president. What a fucked up situation this culture, it's people and our nation is in....now how the hell do we remedy this and run the bugs, vermin, snakes back into their homelands. We must figure out a way to marginalize these clowns, en masse.....start by jailing as many as possible as treasonous bastards for as long as possible.

With the storm trooper(s) mobilizing across our country to raise and spread mayhem and murder at the behest of the shadow government leadership of bannon, miller and gorka pouring their poisonous words into the ear of the idiot potus I feel they want their storm troopers to raise enough hell so that martial law can be declared and they be able to take all freedoms from those not white, male, KKKristian or a supporter of mentioned.

Dangerous times.....slowly sneaking and snaking, like pitt coming here again, it's way into the fabric of american culture/true democrats to be finally normalized with an openly fascist government declaring imminent danger with all power to destroy all opposed.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
221. He didn't fucking vote for Trump!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:30 PM
Aug 2017

Good god, what a shithole of sycophancy and stupidity this place has become. Pitt, for all his faults was helping to warn why Trump could become president, and then, lol and behold, it happened.

And I voted for Hillary, so don't even start...

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
223. He helped by trashing Hill?
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:37 PM
Aug 2017

He also stated clearly in his OP on August 9th that he would not vote for her. His OP and two comments were removed and he was gone.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
249. He wrote plenty of stuff trashing Trump.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:34 PM
Aug 2017

But that doesn't fit the narrative, does it?

Everyone just proving my point.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
250. He wrote plenty of stuff trashing Hillary
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:37 PM
Aug 2017

and refused to vote for the Democratic nominee. And encouraged others to do the same.

There, I fixed it for you. And I am done with the Pitt apologia nonsense.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
272. He said he would vote for TRump before Hillary -- you were not
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:33 AM
Aug 2017

In teh voting booth. So, we have his own repeated words to go by.

As well as his own words threatening to murder a DUer, and his own words calling Obama a POS used car salesman.

Warrior of the Left he is not.

We have many on here we actually are warriors of the left, and I salute and laud THEM.

George II

(67,782 posts)
471. And plenty trashing Obama even when he was President, so it wasn't the heat of the campaign....
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:02 PM
Aug 2017

...or primaries.

He called Obama a "piece of shit used car salesman", maybe that's why he's offering to buy a car to anyone who vouches for him.

George II

(67,782 posts)
483. Hah! Yes, now I remember that. Thanks for reminding me. And he continues to want his crap....
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:36 PM
Aug 2017

...posted here?

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
484. Not on this thread...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:46 PM
Aug 2017

I looked it up the other night...He ended it with Fuck you very much Mr. President. Well...lol at least he called him Mr. President.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
227. No, he wasn't "helping to warn us." He'd written a piece about how much he disliked Hillary
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:54 PM
Aug 2017

and how he wasn't going to vote for her. Nothing about Trump. A lot about Sanders. Basically he was sore because his candidate lost the nomination and he drank the hemlock, no doubt under the illusion that DU would become unbearable once Hillary was elected. Didn't turn out that way but that seems to be the logic.

Another victim of CDS basically.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=9480008

G_j

(40,366 posts)
236. Oh mercy
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:48 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:51 AM - Edit history (1)

glad to see an old DU veteran. This place is unrecognizable.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
243. I saw with my own eyes on his FB his statements he would vote Trump
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:50 PM
Aug 2017

Over Hillary. He said it many times, and urged people NOT TO VOTE if they wanted to vote for Hillary, because TRump would be a better President than her.

The Pitt apologists on her are amazing.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #243)

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
454. Hey, you need to delete this post. This is not cool.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017

This poster is FFR here because of exactly this kind of thing. Calling another poster a liar used to get hidden around here. You're posting a personal attack by proxy. Cut it out.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #243)

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
231. Pitt seems to have his supporters and those that just don't like him at all.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:35 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:13 PM - Edit history (1)

45 recs. 5800 views and onward goes the discussion. The Pitt article is posted same as latest breaking news ,a few paragraphs with a direct link provided. It's been about a year now since Pitt's grand exit complete with the use of Nancy Sinatra's signature song Boots Are Made For Walking. There was no mention of the line where it says ,one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.But Pitt likes to write so he left that for the reader to fill in or not.

A lot has happened since last August ,a terrible lot has happened. And I imagine a lot of people are finding the way here at DU.New people. Some frustrated,scared ,even terrified. And some just good and angry. New people.

I reread Pitt's article at the link today and do you know I took a rather lengthy look at that little donation pop up this time, the last time I just x's it out ! My curiosity got to me so I clicked on the pop up and than reviewed that donation link ! You know I thought well, ain't that the truth !

Visibility ,earned or owed ? That's my thought to it at the moment.
If he earned it here some years back he tossed it down the toilet ,after all to him it was just a POS.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
238. hello!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:56 PM
Aug 2017

Glad to hear from one of the finest and wisest voices ever to grace these boards. Hope all is well with you and yours. Much love!

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
239. Hello, Buddy!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:19 PM
Aug 2017

I'm doing well. Hope all is good with you.

Others are getting about 25 cords of wood ready for the late summer to mid-winter sweats, and all I have to do is watch. Can't beat that!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029480579

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
353. Agreed 100%. He wrote in Bernie in NH, a state that went for HRC 2-1
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:47 PM
Aug 2017

The perpetual smearing (and obsession) of Will Pitt on DU is ridiculous.

He's gone on to a bigger audience on Facebook of several thousand friends. I'm in that circle of friends and proud of it.

I refuse to participate in alienating allies. Will Pitt is exactly the type of voter Dems can and should be reaching (and why Chuck Schumer has appointed Bernie as outreach director). We need these folks.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
394. Nope, NH was a squeaker. Less than 3K votes or .3% of the vote.....
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:05 PM
Aug 2017

Like a lot of people who insisted only "she was flawed", he helped make it the election a squeaker. He used his influence to hurt Dems in November no matter how you look at it. It was far from a "safe vote".

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
444. Sorry, I misspoke - it was his town and county
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

His vote mattered naught to Hillary's win or loss.

And his influence isn't nearly as vast as everyone here purports lol...

Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #444)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
467. National election- They don't award electoral votes by county. So that was NOT a safe vote.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:44 PM
Aug 2017

Not even close. Hope you're right that he holds little influence. Even the 3K FB followers are more than what would have swing it in his state, so I'm glad they're not all from NH too!

Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #353)

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
245. Last Nov, Truth-Out was listed as "Fake News" by many ...
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:01 PM
Aug 2017

and I'm not talking about many rethugs or the caterwauling this current prez is so wont to do these days in his wild attacks on the media.

No, the progressive news site "Truth-Out" was lumped right along with many incredibly vile right-wing, reactionary, and hatefully bigoted outlets, all supposedly suspected of covert russian influence, and that fake news accusation was made by people who are supposedly progressives, themselves.

When that happened soon after the Election, it left a lot of us in wonder, shaking our heads in disbelief and also, anger, that Truth-Out was effectively condemned and compared to deplorable anti-Semitic, racist wingnut mouth-pieces, such as Rense, What Really Happened, Global Research, PrisonPlanet, and Infowars, by liberals.

I thank you for sharing that article here! I've never stopped reading at Truth-Out, despite whatever wickedness some may choose to blame certain of its authors for. Voicing truth to power is needed, now more than ever!

Beringia

(4,313 posts)
247. Compared to right wing propaganda
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:23 PM
Aug 2017

That is hard to fathom. It seems people like to pile on when someone becomes controversial. I believe with William Pitt's extensive involvement in investigating and reporting on the Iraq war, he has his own particular view on politicians who support war or are hawkish. I go to his website and read his articles. I also think it is good to keep him on DU, because new people can be exposed to his writings.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
365. It was a sad day when progressives opted to eat their own...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:30 PM
Aug 2017


and decided to bring a new and improved McCarthyism back in vogue. Across this nation, liberals of all stripes commenced bantering and bickering after the Washington Post published the link to that questionable site, going after the Left, instead of attempting a much-needed recoup of all progressive forces in the wake of the defeat of Sec. Clinton.

Washington Post Promotes Shadowy Website That Accuses 200 Publications of Being Russian Propaganda Plants ~ By Max Blumenthal / AlterNet ~ November 25, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/media/washington-post-promotes-shadowy-website-accuses-200-publications-russian-propaganda-plants

A shady website that claims “Russia is Manipulating US Opinion Through Online Propaganda” has compiled a blacklist of websites its anonymous authors accuse of pushing fake news and Russian propaganda. The blacklist includes over 200 outlets, from the right-wing Drudge Report and Russian government-funded Russia Today, to Wikileaks and an array of marginal conspiracy and far-right sites. The blacklist also includes some of the flagship publications of the progressive left, including Truthdig, Counterpunch, Truthout, Naked Capitalism, and the Black Agenda Report, a leftist African-American opinion hub that is critical of the liberal black political establishment.

Called PropOrNot, the blacklisting organization was described by the Washington Post’s Craig Timberg as “a nonpartisan collection of researchers with foreign policy, military and technology backgrounds.” The Washington Post agreed to preserve the anonymity of the group’s director on the grounds that exposure could result in their being targeted by “Russia’s legions of skilled hackers.” The Post failed to explain what methods PropOrNot relied on to conclude that “stories planted or promoted by the Russian disinformation campaign were viewed more than 213 million times." (Timberg also cited a report co-authored by Aaron Weisburg, founder of the one-man anti-Palestinian “Internet Haganah” operation, who has been accused of interfering in federal investigations, stealing the personal information of anarchists, online harassment, and fabricating information to smear his targets.)

Despite the Washington Post’s charitable description of PropOrNot as a group of independent-minded researchers dedicated to protecting the integrity of American democracy, the shadowy group bears many of the qualities of the red enemies it claims to be battling. In addition to its blacklist of Russian dupes, it lists a collection of outlets funded by the U.S. State Department, NATO and assorted tech and weapons companies as “allies.” PropOrNot’s methodology is so shabby it is able to peg widely read outlets like Naked Capitalism, a leading left-wing financial news blog, as Russian propaganda operations...

~ snip ~

As scrutiny of PropOrNot increases, its credibility is rapidly unraveling. But that has not stopped Beltway media wiseguys and Democratic political operatives from hyping its claims. Fake news and Russian propaganda have become the great post-election moral panic, a creeping Sharia-style conspiracy theory for shell-shocked liberals. Hoping to punish the dark foreign forces they blame for rigging the election, many of these insiders have latched onto a McCarthyite campaign that calls for government investigations of a wide array of alternative media outlets. In this case, the medicine might be worse than the disease.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
376. And sadly the GOP loves it
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:14 PM
Aug 2017

I vowed to stay out of this thread after my initial responses, and I did so yesterday. But wrong is wrong. People want to trash DUers who carried our water for years, they can expect me to defend them.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
396. Yup, the ratfucking by the right wingnuts gained steam this year
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:20 PM
Aug 2017

Your efforts are noble, Generic Other, and you're to be commended, in my book!

Response to George II (Reply #296)

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
268. Always a great read.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:24 AM
Aug 2017


Thank you for posting it.

Sadly, the lingering effects of the primary, and the stark realization that many democratic thinkers were expressing, that the messaging was off.

K&R


.

Response to Beringia (Original post)

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
289. You don't have to be a good writer
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:09 AM
Aug 2017

but you have to be good enough to not get banned. Yes, that's a double negative.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
299. Not a valid question, really.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:42 AM
Aug 2017

There is no requirement on DU that one be a professional writer. Some here are, but most are not. A lot of people make their livings as writers, but write right-wing garbage or make little sense most of the time.

Criticizing a writer does not require one to also be a professional writer. Not in any way.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
324. No I don't, but neither does Pitt
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:50 AM
Aug 2017

He makes his living making credulous people think that he's an erudite wordsmith.

If the current administration has taught us anything, it's the people of minimal ability can create the illusion of competence simply by securing the belief of the gullible.

But by all means, please continue reading the prattle of a poser who explicitly threatened the life of a DUer.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
335. What a load.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:25 PM
Aug 2017

Really, if I absolutely despised Will Pitt, I'd still think those was solipsistic slander.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
351. Slander? That's rich.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:09 PM
Aug 2017

Pitt has a history of bullying and slander, and I ruffle your feathers when I point out this fact? It is to laugh.

With his repeated GBCW threads, his threats to DUers, his attacks on Obama, and his efforts to help Trump take the Whitehouse, I can see no reason why any thinking person can read his crap fondly, much less defend him.

Response to Hissyspit (Reply #335)

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
477. And!!!!
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:16 PM
Aug 2017

With prose.....called the President of the United States a "Piece Of Shit Used Car Salesman" oh wait he prefaced that with..."Fuck You Mr President"

Thanks Orrex

betsuni

(25,119 posts)
480. Erudite must mean being wrong all the time while overusing vulgar curse words and ...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:30 PM
Aug 2017

telling people things like they're "wrong and dumb in public." Good to know.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
280. This thread is a dumpster fire
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:48 AM
Aug 2017

Mr. Pitt didn't vote for the yam. He never said he was going to vote for the yam. Never said it; didn't happen.

Starting a palaver about a tombstoned poster is an indication that some of you have too much free time on your hands. Now, you folks go outside and take a walk or something.

Response to Beringia (Original post)

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
302. Thank you.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:56 AM
Aug 2017

DU should avoid being like a US prison, where a lie twice repeated becomes accepted fact.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
305. If my memory is in tact,
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

In the past, the critical mass of DU members would demand sources, thus blatant lies were rarely allowed to flourish. It appears that critical mass is no longer.

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
311. Exactly...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:13 AM
Aug 2017

I second that motion for a Demand to support the argument that had been presented..

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
308. I believe the numbers are much higher.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:12 AM
Aug 2017

Old time DU'er members do remember....Like, " The North Remembers".

FarPoint

(12,206 posts)
323. I throughly enjoy his writing..
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:48 AM
Aug 2017

I look forward to his information, accurate artles and FN discussion... He was always an articulate DU'er.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
310. Your reaction here is exactly what others feel about the lies you told
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:12 AM
Aug 2017

about Hillary. Nothing good came of it. Now look what we have.

Response to Beringia (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
343. He did not vote for the Democratic Candidate...there is no excuse for that.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:44 PM
Aug 2017

This is Democratic underground, and he mercilessly attacked Pres. Obama before the 14 election...google it.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
381. Many spoke out over Pres. Obama's attempts to reach across the aisle
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:23 PM
Aug 2017

Turns out he was both right as the decent man he was and wrong because they dedicated their lives to destroying him. No DUer did that except a few low post disruptors. MIRT mostly take those fools down.

I wonder what President Obama or Hillary Clinton would think of how their loyal followers are speaking out on their behalf. Both would probably be appalled at the misdirected venom.

From now on, when there are anti-Trump posts here, I hope I see the same fervor expressed against Trump from the posters on this thread!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
463. Yep, and god knows where they learned it. Pretty stupid to claiim to be liberal or
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:28 PM
Aug 2017

progressive and then vote 3rd party or not at all in a TWO party system.

VERY dumb, unless you want the GOP to win, that is.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
513. I am with you...I would crawl across broken glass to vote for the Dem ...for years
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 12:15 PM
Aug 2017

Tim Ryan was a right to lifer...a Democrat....my congressman. I voted for him and I am very pro-choice. Recently, he recanted this position...but any Democrat is better than any Republican.

Stoic

(1,200 posts)
405. He, like many in safe districts made a protest vote.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

Like he's said, being in the district he votes in that went for Hillary by more than 60% he wrote in Sanders for his vote. He was careful that his vote didn't help Trump. I detested Hillary as the Democratic candidate but I voted for her in my Florida district.

The same district that now has the former REPUBLICAN governor as the Democratic representative.

Yay! Look at all the winning we have.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
433. I don't buy protest votes...and those votes would have counted in the popular vote...we are
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

Democrats here and vote for the Democratic candidate. I won't even read the article and support his site...but I googled some of his posts...and now have no desire to read anything else.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
476. NH was never a safe district and she won by a slight margin.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:08 PM
Aug 2017

NO ONE can afford to throw their vote away.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
379. I never accused him of that. I say he is a phony bullshit artist, who called President Obama every
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:20 PM
Aug 2017

foul name in the book.

That he is proud of not voting for Hillary, speaks volumes what he is. It doesn't matter that his town, district, or state went for Hillary.

This was the most important election of most people's lifetime, and by refusing to vote for the Democratic nominee, Pitt is saying that there was no difference between Hillary and trump, and that simply is untrue. That false equivalency is pure bullshit.


R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
407. Yes, you obviously see it's from him. So why ask me for screen caps and say
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:58 PM
Aug 2017

I was "hinting" at it being his post. LOL,

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
415. Will didn't say he created a sock to post that, he asked if anyone who could still post at DU
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:31 PM
Aug 2017

would post his reply. It looks like someone may have done it for him. Will would never have used that subject line in the post.
I asked for proof when you responded to my post where I stated that when Will was flagged he didn't create another sock to post here. you responded that yes he had and it had been removed in this thread. That covers it all and I have no interest in discussing a he said/ she said.

Response to Autumn (Reply #415)

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
493. This is laughable. His post was in this thread, removed
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:15 AM
Aug 2017

by MIRT as you said yourself. Posters who quoted him from Facebook were not banned, but he was. You admit that yourself when you brought up the MIRT removal.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
473. hahahahaha I'm not the only one that said that
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:16 PM
Aug 2017

I feel special he singled me out. Actually, it is rather bizarre he singled me lout. But, he always liked to single out women from the crowd and attack them. At least he didn't say he would kill me.

to you, Pitt.

leftstreet

(36,076 posts)
369. IBTL
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
Aug 2017
No matter how much blood was lost under the wheels of that attacking automobile in Charlottesville, no matter how many bones were crushed or organs damaged, no matter who died, we must adhere to a slogan beloved by Nazis for three generations running. The president said so, on national television.

We love our country, we love our God, we love our flag, we're proud of our country, we're proud of who we are.


How very true. How very sad

DURec

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
392. This thread
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:02 PM
Aug 2017

is exactly illustrative of why I don't frequent this place anymore. Some of you are vile.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
395. It's sad that solidarity to stop the rethugs...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:13 PM
Aug 2017

our community activist corp, most any and all attempts to build unity, appear to have been left by the wayside. Instead of building, it's breaking down.

You are greatly missed here, Blue!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
474. Thank you.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:21 PM
Aug 2017

I wish I could stay, but my blood pressure has gone up since November and I don't need any more aggravation. Every time I peek in here ... well, you get the picture.

I do miss my old friends here, though.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
491. From the author of: "Hillary Clinton is a terrible fucking candidate, and I'm not voting for her"
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:01 AM
Aug 2017

Screw this guy.

Raven

(13,872 posts)
494. This thread is breaking my heart.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:28 AM
Aug 2017

Not so much because of the things being said about Will, but because so little is being said about the article he wrote which was the intended subject of the thread. I presume that the person who posted it thought it was worth reading. Covering this president over the last several months has been excruciating for Will. I've watched the process and it is like having to wade into a sewer everyday. Often, when he is done, he'll read the essay to me and I'll think "maybe this one will make a difference."

Years ago, after he wrote his first book on Iraq, which, by the way, he wrote on the porch of our cabin in the woods, I would joke and tell him that I was getting the "safe room" ready for him. Little did I know then that the threats against him and our family would become real. He doesn't talk about it much but I know they are real, his wife knows they are real. Fortunately, his daughter is too young to know, but she will.

In case anyone here thinks we live in some idyllic rural utopia, please know that Chris Cantwell lives and spews his garbage in the next town over from us. I, in my professional life, have had a number of run-ins with his ilk. They are demented and dangerous and have quite a following. So, after many of you get through venting your anger at Will Pitt, please read his essay and understand that doing what he does everyday, day after day, comes at a high cost, to him and the people he loves.

Respectfully,

Jane Pitt

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
495. Thank you for this, but just to note that "what he does everyday, day after day" is the problem.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:47 AM
Aug 2017

For whatever reason Mr. Pitt refused to countenance a Clinton presidency let alone support or heaven forbid defend her candidacy. And he would have kept up the attacks after she took office, if she had. Yes, such righteousness "comes at a high cost," one we'll be paying for four years at least. No doubt he calls it conscience and is completely satisfied with it, but one can also call it intellectual lethargy. He had a perch and could have used it more responsibly, but he didn't or couldn't exert himself to think that far ahead, and instead took the well-worn path, and here we are. That's what the anger here is about.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
498. I quoted accurately and selected carefully. If you think I misrepresented your words,
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:00 AM
Aug 2017

please feel free to explain how.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
500. That is all well and good, but I read his articles about Hillary Clinton before the election.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:19 AM
Aug 2017

He helped elect Trump by tearing her down. Thus what are we to make of his writing after the fact?



I have no idea why this post triple posted but I deleted the extra posts...weird.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
509. Pitt, nor his writing, anything about him, does NOT belong on a board dedicated
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:54 AM
Aug 2017

to liberals or Democrats

PERIOD

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
544. I think so too. I despise this guy after reading what he wrote. And I remember him saying
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:51 AM
Aug 2017

he would vote for Trump.

Response to Raven (Reply #494)

Response to Raven (Reply #494)

Beringia

(4,313 posts)
527. I am sorry it is breaking your heart
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:08 PM
Aug 2017

I have just let it go because I feel it will die out soon enough.

George II

(67,782 posts)
539. Sorry, but I can't respect anything said by someone who told OUR President Obama:
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:31 PM
Aug 2017

"F--- you, Mr. President, you piece of sh*t used-car salesman. From my heart and soul, f--- you."

To be honest, I can see in a fit of frustration or anger someone saying that, but to never ever apologize and to then to double down later with similar venomous words, sorry. No pity here.

I suppose that's why he's essentially been banned (i.e., flagged for review) from DU since early August last year.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
548. No
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

He has to live with the acronym he used against President Obama.

He has to live with his words he spewed against President Obama.

Words have consequences. It's a free country and one can say or write what they want.

However, your words are also subject to others 1st Amendment rights, consideration, reaction, and opinion.

Response to Beringia (Original post)

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
533. ignored the politics of opposing our nominee
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

...even when it was clear no other had managed to obtain anywhere near the support Hillary had achieved.

Where is this magic Democratic primary candidate who would have bested Hillary? That's a sad fantasy.

Raven

(13,872 posts)
535. "No one on this board would hear it...." isn't that the sad truth and
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:04 PM
Aug 2017

if this thread is any indication, they won't hear it now and we will probably have 4 more years of the madman or someone just as bad.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
541. When there's a binary choice
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 11:17 PM
Aug 2017

You choose the most viable option: the option whose positions more closely aligns with yours than their opponent. Sanders was not on the ballot because he lost the primaries. Though the post you replied to is hidden I can take a guess what it was all about.

"No one on this board" - as if the world revolves around DU. Pity the millions who voted for the dem nominee , they're fucking invisible in the whole "my dude shoulda won" arguments and they numbered in the millions - 4 to be precise.

Stein and Johnson were election spoilers so failing to vote Hillary and using influence to get people to not vote for her was dumb and reckless. That's on Pitt.

Don't blame people in this thread who did the responsible thing on Nov. 8th for Trump being in the white house .

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
565. Raven, we stand with Will. Always.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:16 AM
Aug 2017

Bless you and his family, always.

I called him and told him he had to come to Crawford.
He did. I have a picture of him on his 1st day there.

delisen

(6,039 posts)
538. Who could be more irrelevant than preachy, professorial Pitt?
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:50 PM
Aug 2017

If only he had listened to Hillary Clinton, instead of Jill Stein?

The unwillingness to accept, acknowledge, and correct for ones own biases while presuming to be worthy of instructing and advising others has brought us generations of commentators whose utterances fall from the their lips into the toilets of history.

Too much noise, too little thought, so little self-awareness and reflection. Cafe philosophers who drone on, and on, and on.

No shame.




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