So . . . Two Scoops is off to Camp David? I gotta feeling about this one.

[Stinky The Clown]

He hates Camp David.

Pence is gunna be there. Cut short his resume-building - er - diplomatic tour of South America to be there. He also cancelled several other things he had planned for after his original return date.

Mattis and Kelly will be there.

And Mike Pence.

The purpose is, ostensibly, Afghanistan. But why the hurry? Why can't it wait?

And why would Pence need to be there?

I know what I think could be afoot, but there is nothing whatsoever to support it, so I won't even bother. But man oh man, this one is very odd. Very odd, indeed.

[mainstreetonce]

1. I read your mind

And smile hopefully

[Atticus]

29. As do I. Let it be so. We will then deal with Pence. nt.

[zentrum]

56. Just means the racism

.....and all the anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-regulation, anti-education, anti-climate change ugliness will go back underground.

Pence is a dignified demon, but a swamp dwelling demon just the same.

We'll be in end- medicare-and-social-security-mode. And unlike Trump, he'll be successful. With Ryan and McConnell rubbing their hands in glee.

[thecrow]

66. Well, wasn't Pence who the Kochs wanted in the first place?

IMO ... 45 was just a way for Pence to get in through the back door. Pence alone was a weak opponent opposite Hillary, but the Cheeto was a showman.
Pence got national exposure but if the Cheeto lost, he could be run again.

[zentrum]

69. Interesting. Wouldn't

....surprise me. The Kochs are devious devils going back decades.

Funny, how the words "demon" and "devils" come so easily to mind in describing these fiends.

Love your screen name and icon.

[lindysalsagal]

82. agreed. n/t.

[icymist]

87. You really think the racism demon can be put back in it's box, just like that?

It took many deaths and decades last time. No, that Pandora's box has been opened and the monster inside, awaking.

[zentrum]

89. No, that's not what I'm saying.

The country is deeply racist. But it's always been buried and denied under an iron fist of politics as usual. Racist policies and courts etc have been able to deny they are being racist. White people have not faced our history.

So I think we'd have all the same racism we've ever had but without the obviousness of Trump, we'll have a nice predictable "traditional" Republican who will calm the media and the GOP. It's as dangerous and in many ways more dangerous than ever. History will go back into denial.

I hope you're right and that all the white people in the country stay outraged as they are now, but I don't have that confidence with Pence as Prez.

[icymist]

92. Pence is no 'traditional' republican. If Pence became President the the shift would be to bigotry.

Against 'false religions' and the GLBT community. All the same players from the racist crap would jump on that band wagon as well. Just take a look at the mess he left Indiana in when he left office. He would do that kind of damage and more, on a national level.

[zentrum]

96. Completely agree.

My point is that he'd get away with it better than Trump, the grandstander.

Pence is the same monster--but competent.

You and I are saying the same thing. I'm not saying racism would go away. It would be still here, bad as ever, but be more hidden, more plastered over for the masses. Like it was under Reagan.

Pence really scares me for all the reasons you cite.

[Catmusicfan]

2. Indeed something is up. Wonder if we will start seeing others like Ryan and McConnell

Come back to Washington.

[Books_Tea_Alone]

3. Agree it's strange....

Especially since he's on "vacation"

[Louis1895]

5. And there has no pressing news from Afghanistan

I also have a funny feeling.

Glad to know it is not just me!

[bdamomma]

91. Is Eric Prince going to be in attendance

he did want to privatize the Afghan war and have a viceroy appointed.

I don't know we have a cornered rat (trump) who knows what they are planning to do but as someone posted here Trump is a master manipulator of the media.

[Ilsa]

110. That's what I'm wondering.

Will he be there to tell dft how much money dft will save the US by giving him $10 billion a year to fuck things up in Afghanistan and fuck up his employees?

[SweetieD]

4. Something weird is going on. Trump's behavior is crazier than normal, that weird Bannon interview

Dana rohrabacher and Chuck Johnson met with julian assange today.

I have a feeling something was learned in the russia investigation. Something bad for Trump.

[Binkie The Clown]

6. I read the book , so I know how the T.V. show is going to turn out. I won't spoil it for you. n/t

[TexasTowelie]

31. Good one.

[dflprincess]

7. I know what you think could be afoot

and I hope you're right. I also hope that Trump being ousted won't stop Mueller's investigation "for the good of the country" as I'd expect that to snag Pence as well.

But, they could also be planning the Reichstag Fire.

[CentralMass]

57. That is the more likely scenario.

[Thrill]

8. Time to bomb North Korea

He needs to change the subject

[Catmusicfan]

9. Aged I hope Friday is NOT what that will all be about.

[bearsfootball516]

10. I can't imagine it's that

Considering North Korea backed down yesterday. They literally deescalated the situation.

[gordianot]

25. There would be no more vulnerable time than millions on the road Monday.

On Monday total chaos. It may be chaos anyway with violent Nazis afoot heighten threats of war and terrorists, add a sick President being being prosecuted.

[uponit7771]

13. +1

[SweetieD]

16. Or bombing Venezuela. Pence tweeted about how they are suffering and need help.

Trump/Tillerson know they have a limited amount of time due to looming impeachment. And Tillerson wants Venezuela for exxon.

[yonder]

62. that would be my guess, too

what better way to take the heat off than to start a friggin' war? I hear it now: "We must protect the Venezuelan people and their (oil) resources"

[womanofthehills]

23. Bannon just said that's not going to happen

[dixiegrrrrl]

98. Oh..well...if BANNON said so.......

[lapfog_1]

11. If they invite one of the Supremes

or really, any federal judge... then things get interesting.

[SweetieD]

12. Why? Is that necessary for 25th amendment?

[lapfog_1]

15. It's required that the oath of office be administered by a federal judge...

Although Pence could become the "acting President" via his previous oath of office for VP.

[dflprincess]

17. The oath is actually just a formality

Truman & Johnson became president the moments FDR & JFK died; Ford the moment the Nixon's resignation became final.

It's done more for the show and to stress continuity to the public. In these circumstances as the VP has already taken a similar oath to fulfill his/her responsibilities of office - one of which may be assuming the presidency.

But when it's given you are correct that it is done by a Federal judge.

[Trumpdumper]

75. No federal judge is required

Calvin Coolidge was administered the oath by his father, a local justice of the peace.

[DFW]

14. Could be a meeting Kelly demanded

As a condition for his not leaving in disgust, for example.

[canetoad]

72. Thank you for injecting some sanity

Into a thread rapidly devolving into 'creative speculation' territory.

[DFW]

77. Thanks but.........

What you or I see as sanity can easily be another's insanity.

[lindysalsagal]

86. I agree , but, why Pense?

[DFW]

103. I have a theory

Thy wanted at least one member of the Executive present who could understand words with more than two syllables.

[lindysalsagal]

104. "Don: You're goin' down, bigly." "I can tell you, it's over, Don."

How's that????

[DFW]

105. That would be a translation Trump could understand.

The original would read: "Donald, there's a massively understated hostility to you in Congress. Indications point to a definitive inability to sustain your administration."

To which Trump would say, "huh? What's that in American?" At which point, Pence calls in a speaker of Navajo, the only native speaker of an American language in the White House. The man explains it to Trump in the Navajo language, which leaves an exasperated Trump to say "just give it to me so I can get it," at which point Pence uses the words you posted, and Trump finally does get it. He'll call it "fake blues," but at least he'll get the point.

[dflprincess]

18. Maybe they're taking Fredo fishing.

[leftstreet]

19. snarf

That made me laugh out loud

[nini]

20. HAIL MARY

..full of grace.

[dflprincess]

21. But I doubt Trump knows the prayer. nt

[Historic NY]

34. ...

[link:|]

[hedda_foil]

36. You mean like they took CIA Director Colby fishing the day before he was to testify?

Or more like Natalie Wood?

[bdamomma]

90. oh that's funny

[Grammy23]

22. Handing out their solar eclipse glasses?

And divvying up who will make snacks for the viewing party?

Yea. That's it. Gotta be. 😉

Don't step too far away from your TV or computers this weekend.
Might be epic, must see TV.

[brooklynite]

24. If the. Abinent was going to invoke the 25th Amendment...

...they woukdn't be publicly announcing the meeting in advance.

[NCDem47]

26. So who actually called this meeting at Camp David?

Lots of stuff happening and I'm not following all the leads and updates.

Is the word on the street that Kelly initiated this? Just curious as to who Has the power to convene these folks, which I understand the principals are not really known at this time, correct? Other than Trump and Pence.

[smirkymonkey]

27. Come to Jesus meeting.

Trumpy's is in a whole lot of trouble.

[Warpy]

28. So the guys with the brains will be there, while the enablers will not.

I don't think it will do much good. There is no way to do damage control on how he managed to screw the pooch over the last few days and they won't control his big, fat mouth without strong sedatives.

It would be fun to watch, though.

[lindysalsagal]

83. So if they chopper in a veterinarian....

[asiliveandbreathe]

30. 25th for 45..would be nice..I hope he is told he cannot

go to Arizona and start trouble..that is my hope...hasn't he done enough already..even the Mayor of Phoenix Mayor Stanton has asked him not to come..our country is in a very volatile time...

Pardon Arpaio? - Don't know, but if that is the reason..hang on -

Go peacefully, if he does come here and kicks the hornets nest.....

[stevil]

32. Hint on what you're thinking, please?

Sounds like an intervention to me. Maybe to get rid of Bannon?

[TimeToGo]

35. Well, i think the OP is hinting something more than that

But, that may be it. I mean, who can read these people? They don't even know themselves.

[stevil]

43. Yeah, I know.

It's just hard to do much wishful thinking during this presidency, I remember Fitzmas well....Just wondering what was on Stinky's mind.

[Stonepounder]

39. Just meditate on XXV. n/t

[stevil]

45. Thanks

That was my initial impression. Cautious optimism on that one.

[bdamomma]

93. isn't there some bad blood

between Mattis, Bannon and Kelly??? But donnie pledged his undying affection for Bannon on Monday.

[stevil]

97. Trumps response on Bannon was tepid at best.

I think it also could be an ultimatum on Bannon.

[bdamomma]

99. hmm.....

could be Bannon. Kelly just can't control Trump's tantrums. We will see.

[eleny]

33. At a minimum I'm hoping for a serious intervention. nt

[DesertRat]

37. We have a "relief racist" warmin' up in the GOP bullpen.

Link to tweet

[Hieronymus]

38. It is very odd ..

More to come.

[Hekate]

40. Last chance intervention? No good unless they really have a hammer to drop and are willing to...

Because the monster they all thought they could control is incapable of change.

Anyway, you and Mineral Man are getting the same vibe. Hang on; it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[a la izquierda]

46. I heard something about this yesterday evening...

I'm currently in Frankfurt, Germany for work for a few months. I'm a Latin Americanist by training, and so I knew something weird was going on when Pence cut his South America trip short. I've been more or less watching what he's been doing down there.

Something very odd is afoot. I was talking with my Turkish housemates about it and they too are hoping he goes. Trump is too much like Erdogan.

[bdamomma]

94. well mr trump

has a thing for dictators like Mr. Erdogan.

[Blue Idaho]

41. I ain't holding my breath

This whole administration knows only one direction doubling D O W N.

[area51]

70. +1 n/t

[Crash2Parties]

42. From what I've read, he doesn't react well to interventions or criticism...

[SergeStorms]

48. Haha.....

that's an understatement!

[TeamPooka]

65. What do they think they can make him do that he wouldn't just undo the next day?

He's not resigning.
This is the biggest cash cow and grift he's ever pulled off in his life.

[Hekate]

71. Welll, Putin is probably not the only one who has kompromat on the bastard & has a lever...

...to move him. It has to be something bigly to make him quit, because he is incapable of changing his behavior.

[Zorro]

44. I've got an uneasy feeling the shit is really about to hit the fan

I'm concerned that the klavern is gathering at Camp David to plot how to fire Mueller this weekend, and handle the firestorm of protests that would inevitably follow.

Moving Peter Strzok to HR is not a benign action; he may have revealed information that indicates how compromised Trump and the Republicans are.

I hope I'm wrong.

[Mr.Bill]

47. Pence wouldn't need to be there for Trump to get rid of Mueller.

Actually, they would distance Pence from that.

Since no one else will say it, I will. Get ready for President Pence. And trust me, this is not an improvement.

[ginnyinWI]

49. Well this weekend seems to have been Trump's Katrina.

We'll see if it really is.

[KelleyKramer]

50. I think either Trump got served or another top aids house was raided

Whatever it is, just the fact that Pence cut short in the middle of an international trip... that tells me that something VERY big is going on

[Qutzupalotl]

88. My thoughts exactly.

Mueller has several key components now: financial records from DeuscheBank, Manafort's records from the raid, Sater's testimony and cooperation, and possibly Trump's taxes. So a subpoena to the WH of some kind is actually pretty likely. A subpoena for records on Flynn would send everyone into a fit, considering Trump abruptly left a signing ceremony when asked about Flynn.

News of this came on the same day Peter Strzok was demoted to HR at the FBI. I don't know if that is related, but it's another piece of the puzzle to consider. One wonders if he was impeding the investigation somehow, or feeding the WH info.

[SergeStorms]

51. We've been taken down this road before.

Furtive meetings by the GOP top echelon, rumors running rampant, Democrats hoping, praying, casting lots, reading tea leaves, getting hopes sky high, and then...............nothing. I refuse to get my hopes up again, just to have them dashed against the rocks. When some news breaks THEN I'll consider the matter. Until then, I'll just go about my business and seethe in my hate for Donald Trump. Just another normal day.

[riversedge]

52. Camp david is set up a war room. Very protected and the WH is being renovated. Yet, I agree,

something is weird about this quickly set up meeting.

[wishstar]

73. My guess is some diversionary military action being planned to prop up this misadministration

Time for another show of firepower overseas

[orangecrush]

53. 25th

Dear Lord,

Please let it be so.

[herding cats]

54. A new attempt to wag the dog with Venezuela?

North Korea didn't work out, so time for distraction 2.0?

Afghanistan is a more likely scenario, but with this admin who knows?

[riversedge]

55. @VP will no longer attend Americans for Prosperity conference & Ed Gillespie fundraiser on Saturday,

Vaughn Hillyard?Verified account @VaughnHillyard 11h11 hours ago

.@VP will no longer attend Americans for Prosperity conference & Ed Gillespie fundraiser on Saturday, keeping schedule open after Camp David

Link to tweet

[larry budwell]

58. It's time to pick

their fantasy football teams.

[SCVDem]

59. Call The Exorcist! nm

[queentonic]

60. emoluments clause

I, too, am suspicious of this Camp David thing. I'm wondering if the emoluments trial coming up will be the catalyst for the Dumpster to resign. If there is one thing more important than the Dumpster's ego is his money. If he is forced to liquidate his properties, I figure he will resign before he does that. But then there is the pardon thing he wants to use so he's between a boulder and a bigger boulder. Maybe the Nazis will come to his rescue and offer him money to stay in office.

[SweetieD]

80. Yeah the Trump family business is more important than anything to him. He will never

relinquish control over his brand. He will resign before that. That is where we need to keep pressure on the emoluments issue.

[GopherGal]

107. Agree that the way to Trump's Disgusting Innards is through his Brand

...but the cast of characters is wrong. The pleaders intervening on behalf of his brand would be his kids, not the generals. The fact that it's the generals and the veep tilts more toward the more disturbing scenarios.

[riversedge]

61. Here is your tidy answer....in 140 characters or less

Link to tweet

[Doug the Dem]

63. They have to come up with a new clothing line, "Winter of Our Discontent"

Ivanka's making them do it.

[lindysalsagal]

85. Ivanka's just window dressing. RNC doesn't give a crap about her.

I doubt daddy does, either. Besides, she's always "on vacation" when things get smelly.

[regnaD kciN]

64. So, we're going to have a "Night of Camp David"?

[spiderpig]

67. Stealth candidate Pence

Moving him into position while 45 self-immolates on a public stage.

Simply a matter of time. And Pence is infinitely more dangerous, marketing that plain-spoken family man schtick while his policies are incendiary.

45 is that shiny object we're fixated on while Pence organizes his support.

[FSogol]

74. It'll be a Trumpy intervention & they'll brainstorm about a new distraction

[nocalflea]

76. McMaster ? Or just the folks who were with Trump earlier ?

Like campaign earlier.

[Lee-Lee]

78. I actually hope it's not what you are thinking

Trump resigning this early gives them way too much chance at damage control and to try and field a viable candidate in 2020.

The GOP's absolute best case scenario is Trump resigning soon to give them 3 years to rebuild, change image, and field a candidate.

I would much rather him stay in office being whacko and blowing the GOP's chances in 2018 and 2020.

It's all to our advantage to keep him around at this point. If he resigned now we don't gain any power, Pence still controls the executive and conceivably he is smart enough and devious enough to do more damage to us in the next 3 years while not damaging the GOP daily like Trump does.

I don't think they have a chance anyway in 2020- but a Trump led ticket has zero chance in 202 while a Pence-Haley or Pence-Ryan or Pence-Scott ticket would have better odds than anything with the Trump name on it. 3 years is a long, long time in electoral politics and by then voters outside our base will he tired of Trump talk if he resigns now.

[flibbitygiblets]

81. Hate to agree, but unfortunately keeping this unstable nut in office is necessary

because he does so much harm to the (R) brand. What a world.

[CrispyQ]

79. If the Con resigns, does the Mueller investigation end? -nt

[stevenleser]

84. I think this is about North Korea. nt

[bdamomma]

95. well we are making assumptions

but who knows, may be they do want to start something in Venezuela that is why they wanted Pence home? not to get caught in the cross hairs. But is Tillerson going to be there.

So let me get this correct the meeting is tomorrow and the solar eclipse is Monday. hmmm...........

[lindysalsagal]

100. Bargaining the terms of Pense's pardon, and 45 showing him the blackmail evidence....

as insurance.....

[bigbrother05]

101. 1st thought: Mueller has indictments to drop on the family unless DT steps out

States would still be able to come after the family and Mueller could continue to track down the other players in the Russian investigation with Jared & Junior able to sing.

That would force Pence to appoint a new VP and get Senate approval, but if Mueller hit him first, Ryan would be in line.

Strictly a pipe dream, but ....

[mahatmakanejeeves]

102. NOTAM : 7/3055

NOTAM : 7/3055

FDC 7/3055 ZDC PART 1 OF 5 MD..AIRSPACE THURMONT, MARYLAND..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS. AUGUST 18, 2017
....

FDC 7/3055 ZDC PART 2 OF 5 MD..AIRSPACE THURMONT, MARYLAND..TEMPORARY FLIGHT REGULATIONS, AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS 10NM RADIUS OF 393853N0772800W (MRB055023.7) SFC-17999FT MSL EFFECTIVE 1708181600 UTC (1200 LOCAL 08/18/17) UNTIL 1708182100 UTC (1700 LOCAL 08/18/17).
....

and on and on.

[SweetieD]

109. What does that mean.

[Spider Jerusalem]

111. That's the airspace over Camp David

restricting the airspace means the President will be at Camp David. Flight restriction is from noon to 5pm.

[BadGimp]

106. Two Scoops added to www.altTrumpNames.com listicle

www.altTrumpNames.com

[malaise]

108. The end is nigh n/t