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Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:08 PM Aug 2017

You see this. You think this. (Graphic warning for historical photos depicting actual events)

You see this:











You should immediately think of this:

















And you should think of the atrocities committed by the Nazis and in the name of anti-semitism in America. You should be appalled. Still. Forever.



You see this:











And you don't immediately think of the atrocity of slavery, and the other atrocities committed in the name of "states rights", "heritage", and racism against black people:















You need to ask yourself why.



There is nothing neutral about any of the above symbols of hate. Nothing that should be easily dismissed as not part of the real problem of racism in America. Those symbols are part and parcel to the problem of racism and anti-semitism in America.
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You see this. You think this. (Graphic warning for historical photos depicting actual events) (Original Post) Solly Mack Aug 2017 OP
also i suggest everyone go see the Holocaust Museum in DC..... samnsara Aug 2017 #1
I agree. Thank you. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #2
Yes agree and also the national Civil Rights Museum in Memphis lunasun Aug 2017 #3
Yes! Thank you. Both. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #5
i went to memphis and all i saw was Graceland :( samnsara Aug 2017 #101
I've been to Yad Vashem in Jerusalem Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #11
I went to one in Israel, that was pretty moving BASE Aug 2017 #12
The slave auction museum in Charleston SC has haunted me Warpy Aug 2017 #16
The ones who need to see all of this to change their minds... TNNurse Aug 2017 #27
Also do not forget the newest museum on the mall - NMAAHC BumRushDaShow Aug 2017 #38
It was the shoes that sent me over the edge. MindPilot Aug 2017 #52
Very moving! Pacifist Patriot Aug 2017 #61
We have the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Museum of Tolerance here in L.A. calimary Aug 2017 #63
I've been to the DC Holocaust museum forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #86
DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #4
Thank you. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #6
"very fine people", right Don? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #7
Because he agrees with them and they voted for him. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #8
Thank you for these excellent historical photos, my dear Solly Mack. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2017 #9
Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #10
They cannot be disassociated. They must not be sanitized. GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #13
I agree Solly Mack Aug 2017 #15
Excellent Post malaise Aug 2017 #14
Thank you, malaise. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #17
This current pres will be part of the ugly halls of shame, peacebuzzard Aug 2017 #18
Thank you, peacebuzzard Solly Mack Aug 2017 #19
You have Delphinus Aug 2017 #20
Thank you, Delphinus Solly Mack Aug 2017 #21
K&R... spanone Aug 2017 #22
Thanks, spanone Solly Mack Aug 2017 #23
👍🏼 hopefully, we're still evolving and will get beyond this someday. spanone Aug 2017 #24
I hope so too. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #26
I wish every American could see what you posted... CatMor Aug 2017 #25
Thank you, CatMor Solly Mack Aug 2017 #28
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #29
THANK YOU .... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #30
Thanks, LenaBaby61 Solly Mack Aug 2017 #31
K&R canetoad Aug 2017 #32
Thank you, canetoad Solly Mack Aug 2017 #33
Reagan's "Young Buck" Dog Whistle Politics Billsmile Aug 2017 #34
Thank you for adding that! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #35
Gut wrenching. Not in our country ever again. How is it necessary to have this conversation AGAIN?nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #36
It will always be necessary as long as people are in denial. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #37
It galls me that so many are shocked that White Supremacists... countryjake Aug 2017 #39
Thank you, countryjake Solly Mack Aug 2017 #41
Jesus god lillypaddle Aug 2017 #40
Thank you, lillypaddle Solly Mack Aug 2017 #42
the bora13 Aug 2017 #43
They should but I fear they would watch it with a different mindset than we would. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #44
if t-rump says bora13 Aug 2017 #51
American Congressmen invited to view the atrocities were told by Gen. Eisenhower: GreenEyedLefty Aug 2017 #71
Excellent post! Will retweet on Twitter! nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #45
Thank you, steve2470 Solly Mack Aug 2017 #46
K&R blueseas Aug 2017 #47
Thank you, blueseas Solly Mack Aug 2017 #49
if I had extra money, I would pay for this to be a "Sponsored Post" on Twitter but alas I do not steve2470 Aug 2017 #48
I didn't know Twitter had something like that. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #50
THANK YOU Skittles Aug 2017 #53
Thank you, Skittles Solly Mack Aug 2017 #54
I believe the time for non-violent resistance has passed. MindPilot Aug 2017 #55
I've never been of the mind to give them a pass. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #57
Horrific. It must be faced though. Thank you for OP Alice11111 Aug 2017 #56
We can't afford to forget or embrace denial. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #59
No, or we will be destined to repeat the past or other horrific Alice11111 Aug 2017 #62
They love to push buttons .. that's why they have the Nazi flag. YOHABLO Aug 2017 #58
That and they embrace the hate it represents. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #60
SUPERB documentary post RandomAccess Aug 2017 #64
I was afraid someone would alert on my post if I posted all the photos I wanted to post. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #77
State's Rights zentrum Aug 2017 #65
Round them all up & put them in a museum called US Shop of Horrors, CrispyQ Aug 2017 #68
I think it needs to be in the public zentrum Aug 2017 #73
Thank you, zentrum Solly Mack Aug 2017 #78
K&R tweeted yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #66
Thank you, yuiyoshida Solly Mack Aug 2017 #79
Powerful reminders....thanks for the post. nt iluvtennis Aug 2017 #67
Thank you, iluvtennis Solly Mack Aug 2017 #80
Powerful. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #69
Thank you, CrispyQ Solly Mack Aug 2017 #81
People! moonseller66 Aug 2017 #70
Thank you, moonseller66 Solly Mack Aug 2017 #82
kick again nt steve2470 Aug 2017 #72
The look on that man's face on the auction block and the horrific lashing scars on his legs... SunSeeker Aug 2017 #74
Thank you, SunSeeker Solly Mack Aug 2017 #83
I have visited Dachau.... Heartstrings Aug 2017 #75
Thank you, Heartstrings Solly Mack Aug 2017 #84
A friend from years ago said his father was a Liberator. Ilsa Aug 2017 #76
Thank you, Ilsa Solly Mack Aug 2017 #85
If these photos and documentation are not part of history classes in our schools Boomerproud Aug 2017 #91
A good Nazi: dalton99a Aug 2017 #87
! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #93
Which leads to the logical conclusion... Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #88
Obviously that is an exaggeration. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #90
There SHOULD be a rigid line. There always has been, actually Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #99
I think they all traffic in racism but I wouldn't go that far. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #94
Anyone that votes to let Gorsuch on the Supreme Court is, by inference, an extremist nazi Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #100
Yeah, Gorsuch. :( Solly Mack Aug 2017 #103
given the hateful rhetoric coming from the nazis here, it would not take much. niyad Aug 2017 #89
I agree. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #96
Big K&R. nt tblue37 Aug 2017 #92
Thank you, tblue37 Solly Mack Aug 2017 #97
Thank you!! Thank you!! Behind the Aegis Aug 2017 #95
Sending you hugs. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #98
Kick And Rec Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #102
Thank you, Warren DeMontague Solly Mack Aug 2017 #104

samnsara

(17,605 posts)
1. also i suggest everyone go see the Holocaust Museum in DC.....
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

......the piles of shoes, eyeglasses, eye color chart, empty cattle car.....

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. Yes agree and also the national Civil Rights Museum in Memphis
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:15 PM
Aug 2017

Take along and educate your children if you have some. Or others will!

samnsara

(17,605 posts)
101. i went to memphis and all i saw was Graceland :(
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

...also the pandas. The kids were in a stroller at that time so now they are older we should make a trip back there.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
16. The slave auction museum in Charleston SC has haunted me
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:29 PM
Aug 2017

since I saw it at the age of 9, the ledgers under glass showing men, women and children up for sale as human cattle, all described in oh-so-polite copperplate script. I suggest that be required along with the tour of the homes of the wealthy and the local eateries.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g54171-d1455417-Reviews-Old_Slave_Mart_Museum-Charleston_South_Carolina.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Slave_Mart

You can still sense the echoes of desperation in that place.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
27. The ones who need to see all of this to change their minds...
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:43 PM
Aug 2017

probably never will.

These images have not been hidden, people have chose to not see them, not believe them or think they were justified.

BumRushDaShow

(128,479 posts)
38. Also do not forget the newest museum on the mall - NMAAHC
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:16 PM
Aug 2017

National Museum for African American History and Culture



https://nmaahc.si.edu/



 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
52. It was the shoes that sent me over the edge.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:04 PM
Aug 2017

I pretty much held it together up to that point, and then in an instant I'm a grown man sobbing uncontrollably standing on that bridge over the river of shoes.

So many shoes...so many people.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
61. Very moving!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:27 PM
Aug 2017

I took my 13 year old son last summer. By coincidence I drew a middle-aged Roma mother and my son drew a 14 year old Jewish boy. Very powerful and moving. Definitely should be experienced.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
63. We have the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Museum of Tolerance here in L.A.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:55 PM
Aug 2017

Made me happy when I heard the kids were being taken there on a school field trip.

EVERYONE needs to know and remember. I still think about a friend of my mom's - a sweet little old lady who for many years owned a boutique where my mother loved to go browse and shop, with a little side of coffee and gossip while she looked at the fashions. Her name was Lydia. She was her extended family's only survivor of the camps. The ONLY one who lived.

I cannot imagine...

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
86. I've been to the DC Holocaust museum
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:57 AM
Aug 2017

The experience was nearly overwhelming. I'd had a weirdly morbid fascination with details of the Holocaust since high school...perhaps a natural terrified curiosity that occurs with an existential fear of death and carnage.

That visit cured me of that completely.

At the end, there are two astonishing white chapels with each wall for a specific camp and candles for people to light in remembrance. I remember thinking "I have no specific person to light a candle for." and immediately a voice in my head said, "Light a candle for someone who can't be here."

Thinking about it still turns me into a puddle.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,523 posts)
9. Thank you for these excellent historical photos, my dear Solly Mack.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:18 PM
Aug 2017

These show the evil side of world history, and our country's evil history too.

Your last sentence lays it all out very clearly: Those symbols are part and parcel to the problem of racism and anti-semitism in America.

We Must Never Forget.

We Must Never Stop Working Against The Forces Which Brought Them Forth.



Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
15. I agree
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

If a person can look upon a monument to the Confederacy and not think about what that really means, there is something lacking in them as a person.

Same with Nazi emblems.

peacebuzzard

(5,148 posts)
18. This current pres will be part of the ugly halls of shame,
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:30 PM
Aug 2017

He is a continuation of this hell on earth.
This is a detailed image compilation of the horrors of racism.
Good job on this historical images post and it is relevant, indeed.

Delphinus

(11,825 posts)
20. You have
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:32 PM
Aug 2017

very clearly laid out truth. It's horrible to look at - to see our inhumanity to each other - but we sure do need to see, remember, and learn.

spanone

(135,792 posts)
24. 👍🏼 hopefully, we're still evolving and will get beyond this someday.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:38 PM
Aug 2017


to see this kind of hatred raising it's head again is so frightening.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
25. I wish every American could see what you posted...
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:42 PM
Aug 2017

I wonder how many don't realize the reality of slavery or anti-semitism. Many probably don't even think about it or think the White Supremists and Anti-semite Nazis don't exist. The evil is out there in this country along with a so called President, who claimed there were some really nice people marching with them. These same people never had to experience racism and bigotry and all the evil that goes with it. Trump has to be gone along with Bannon and others who are behind him.

Thank you for your post, it is stunning in its impact.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
28. Thank you, CatMor
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:45 PM
Aug 2017

When you're slapped in the face every day with symbols glorifying your oppression, it can't be easy.

Knowing people march to celebrate the time when your family was enslaved.

Same with Nazis marching. Celebrating genocide.



Billsmile

(404 posts)
34. Reagan's "Young Buck" Dog Whistle Politics
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

Here's an old clip that talks about Reagan's "young buck" reference. Note the 'buck' references in the above slave sale poster.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/27/ronald-reagans-racially-tinged-stump-speeches/

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
39. It galls me that so many are shocked that White Supremacists...
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

and Anti-Semitists are still marching, spreading their message of hatred wherever and whenever they can.

That our prez continually emboldened them throughout his fascist campaign was terrifying to anyone who is on their target list, but it sure wasn't anything new or surprising.

Thanks for your thread, Solly, and hopefully, it'll open a few minds today.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
41. Thank you, countryjake
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:31 PM
Aug 2017

Hatred/bigotry isn't new to America but far too many put it out of their minds because it doesn't directly affect them.

Everyone needs to stay aware. Because it's the right thing to do and because even though it appears like it isn't affecting someone, it actually is - it can shape how they think. If you don't see the pain caused, then you can tell yourself there is no pain or it isn't that bad.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
44. They should but I fear they would watch it with a different mindset than we would.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:45 PM
Aug 2017

They were chanting against Jewish people, so they would probably find that video entertaining.

bora13

(860 posts)
51. if t-rump says
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017

there are fine people in WS movement then maybe there is hope.
But we know there are no fine people if proclaiming White Supremacy so I guess
one can only hope.

what is fine about thinking you can cremate people in order to make room for
more cremations?

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
71. American Congressmen invited to view the atrocities were told by Gen. Eisenhower:
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:09 PM
Aug 2017

"Nothing is covered up. We have nothing to conceal. The barbarous treatment these people received in the German concentration camps is almost unbelievable. I want you to see for yourselves and be the spokesman for the United States."

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
48. if I had extra money, I would pay for this to be a "Sponsored Post" on Twitter but alas I do not
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:52 PM
Aug 2017

Of course the usual suspects would be enraged and maybe people could learn something. The ignorance in this country for important things, like THIS, is just astounding.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
50. I didn't know Twitter had something like that.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:56 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not on Twitter.

But I do thank you for thinking my post worth it.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
53. THANK YOU
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:04 PM
Aug 2017

my blood runs cold when I see those flags and I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what it is like to be Jewish or POC and see that garbage

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
55. I believe the time for non-violent resistance has passed.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:14 PM
Aug 2017

There are no good nazis, and there are no part time nazis. It is a clear binary condition; you either are a nazi or you are not. You cannot display a Swastika on the weekend and go back to being a regular Joe on Monday. If you do not denounce nazism and its adherents in the strongest possible terms, then you belong in the "are a nazi" group.

I've heard it said--and I've said it myself--"the only good nazi is a dead one". That is not accurate; a dead nazi is only a marginal improvement over a live one.

Nazis have abdicated their membership in the human family and must be purged by any means necessary.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
57. I've never been of the mind to give them a pass.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

I do support non-violence first and foremost, but I'm not a pacifist.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
62. No, or we will be destined to repeat the past or other horrific
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:29 PM
Aug 2017

acts. Those Nazi pictures are the same as we are seeing. They stand for power & evil.
The black lynchings could only be done by purely evil people.
Most of us Dems are pretty peaceful people and want everyone to love & get along. We need to be reminded of the depths that evil can go to, if it is left unchallenged, so we can attempt to stop it fast.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
64. SUPERB documentary post
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:56 PM
Aug 2017

I would love to see one additional photo: piles of naked skeletal bodies

And your post I think gives ample proof to this quote from MLK, Jr:

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
77. I was afraid someone would alert on my post if I posted all the photos I wanted to post.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:52 PM
Aug 2017

Thank you, RandomAccess!

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
65. State's Rights
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:58 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)

...to enslave and torture the people who built this country, its wealth, its White House!

When will the truth ever be fully told and taught?

The thing that needs to change as step one is to create new plaques for all these monuments to horror---plaques that explain just what the "hero" did, just what "state's rights" means, and just what the Confederate flag stood for and stands for.

We need to insist on a clear confrontation and confession of the great crime against humanity all these monuments signify. The country will never be well until we tell the truth.



CrispyQ

(36,422 posts)
68. Round them all up & put them in a museum called US Shop of Horrors,
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:14 PM
Aug 2017

with the newly corrected plaques. Make it part of 5th grade social studies.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
73. I think it needs to be in the public
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 09:25 PM
Aug 2017

...square, seen every day, over and over, on the way to work, and school by everyone.

A museum costs money to visit, is hidden away, is not gone to over and over. These plaques need to be daily in everyone's face.

The people who most need the corrected plaques are the very ones who will not go to such a museum.

It could be a project for the 5th grade and up to research and write examples of what the Truth Plaques should say.

They did something like this in Germany after the war. They put plaques around the city of where terrible things were done. Or where a Jew who was taken to a concentration, once lived.

Have you seen Michael Moore's "Where to Invade Next"?

moonseller66

(430 posts)
70. People!
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 08:27 PM
Aug 2017

Look on these pictures and try to imagine a loved one - wife, husband, son or daughter, aunt or uncle there in those photos.
Look on these pictures and the thousands like them in archives and heed this:
If these dregs of humanity, these spineless, brainless, unfeeling ego maniacal imbeciles ever gain control, they won't be deterred by any skin color, religion or political beliefs. They will happily and without feelings or conscience add to these photos any who disagree with their views.

Solly Mack,
I've seen worse and I imagine you have also. Maybe more "worse" needs to be exposed to shock the apathetic into action; to understand and realize this coul dhappen to them. The inhabitants in towns of Concentration Camps claim they had no idea what was going on. When the GIs took the camps, many townspeople were made to view the horror the claimed they knew nothing of. Many were conscripted to help remove bodies and clean camps. Maybe that's what's needed today. There but for the grace of...

Glad you started something that should spread and bring attention to what these degenerates really stand for.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
83. Thank you, SunSeeker
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 11:58 PM
Aug 2017

That photo was shortly after slavery ended. Because it didn't matter that slavery had ended for many. White people still gathered to attack and punish African-Americans.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
75. I have visited Dachau....
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:55 PM
Aug 2017

I was 20 years old, it was a very humbling experience and haunts me to this day.

My heart has been sadden by the past week's hatred.....

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
76. A friend from years ago said his father was a Liberator.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:55 PM
Aug 2017

I don't remember which concentration camp it was, but it was a big one. He saw the starving prisoners, the gas chambers, the oven. Had nightmares about it.

But he told his family what he saw. And his son, my friend, would pretty riled up if anyone tried to deny the Holocaust.

Another friend worked for a survivor at his business in north Texas. Another coworker's father-in-law was a camp survivor.

Thank goodness for the documentaries, museums, and eyewitness accounts.

Boomerproud

(7,941 posts)
91. If these photos and documentation are not part of history classes in our schools
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:27 PM
Aug 2017

then we as a society are failing our children. On CNN today there was a rapper named David Bannon (I believe) and he said "I have a question for you. Why are we still arguing about what my grandparents complained about 60 years ago?" Brook Baldwin answered "I don't know if there was a question, but thank you for the powerful statement. Be right back after the message." Um, YES, Brooke Baldwin, he DID ask you a question.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
90. Obviously that is an exaggeration.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:16 PM
Aug 2017

There still remain moderate Republicans, in fact most of my neighbors, including the 90 year old widow 2 doors up.
The ones we have trouble with are the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus types.

when it comes to getting rid of Trump, you don't want to throw possible allies away.

One of the problems we are having today is the rigid drawing of lines, deciding everyone into one of 2 camps.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
99. There SHOULD be a rigid line. There always has been, actually
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:43 PM
Aug 2017

Anyone who is not progressive is an extremist right winger, by definition. This cannot be disputed, and we are finally coming out and asserting this basic global truth: the Republican Party is the most dangerous organization in the history of the world. Noam Chomsky, the legendary icon, has stated exactly so.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
94. I think they all traffic in racism but I wouldn't go that far.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:52 PM
Aug 2017

Though I do think the majority of responses by republicans have been tepid, at best.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
100. Anyone that votes to let Gorsuch on the Supreme Court is, by inference, an extremist nazi
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:51 PM
Aug 2017

I can provide many other examples, but that is the most obvious one that comes to mind.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
95. Thank you!! Thank you!!
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:54 PM
Aug 2017

Thank you for remembering us. Thank you for continually expressing your disgust of other forms of bigotry, and still remembering to include anti-Semitism! Thank you for speaking out!

You actually made me cry.

Thank you.

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