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Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:35 AM

Banner drop at Trump Tower - women aren't afraid to call out white supremacy.

A brave young woman. Braver then the members of the republican party.














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Reply Banner drop at Trump Tower - women aren't afraid to call out white supremacy. (Original post)
kpete Aug 2017 OP
lunasun Aug 2017 #1
WhiteTara Aug 2017 #2
Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #28
George II Aug 2017 #3
Brainstormy Aug 2017 #6
Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #11
secondwind Aug 2017 #14
Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #15
George II Aug 2017 #19
grantcart Aug 2017 #17
PatrickforO Aug 2017 #4
forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #5
lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #7
broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #8
mrmpa Aug 2017 #9
Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #29
George II Aug 2017 #20
MrPurple Aug 2017 #32
L. Coyote Aug 2017 #10
Generic Other Aug 2017 #33
BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #12
Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2017 #16
Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #30
iluvtennis Aug 2017 #13
Moostache Aug 2017 #18
klook Aug 2017 #25
Blue Owl Aug 2017 #21
niyad Aug 2017 #22
DBoon Aug 2017 #23
DesertRat Aug 2017 #24
Mc Mike Aug 2017 #26
countryjake Aug 2017 #27
Beacool Aug 2017 #31
summer_in_TX Aug 2017 #34

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:40 AM

1. Resist

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:16 AM

2. Women are so brave.

It gives me courage to see other women do these difficult things like confront the Nazis in their own spaces.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:03 PM

28. Women throughout history aren't given the credit they deserve.

Throughout history, women have done brave and forward thinking things, in the face of real adversity and discrimination and shaming.

Not to take away from anyone's accomplishments, even men. But men tend to appreciate the accomplishments and bravery of other men, mainly white men.

When women do things, it's often more difficult, in the face of society's pressure against it, or at a dear cost that men don't have to pay.

Girls and women in some Middle Eastern countries persist with education and other things, though oppressed and even disfigured with acid in the face, or killed. Women can be very brave.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:16 AM

3. Why is she in handcuffs? What did she do that warrants that?

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:05 AM

6. Seriously! There's a law against dropping a banner? n.t

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:44 AM

11. Trespassing on private property, I'm sure. nt

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:13 AM

14. But Trump Tower is open to tourists and shoppers!

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Response to secondwind (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:16 AM

15. So are a lot of places...

Until you start a protest.

I fully support her protest, but civil disobedience usually ends with arrest.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:31 PM

19. In order to obtain their zoning approval and building permits there was a stipulation....

....that parts of the building were to be open to the public with unlimited access.

trump wanted to build 20 stories higher than permitted. In order to get approval, trump was granted permission by the City of New York to build the top 20 stories of the building in exchange for operating the atrium as a city-administered privately owned public space.

The woman unfurled her banner in that atrium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:32 AM

17. Law enforcement can put you in handcuffs without arresting you.

If they are simply escorting here out she would be technically "detained", handcuffed until she exited.

not sure if she was arrested or detained and released.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:21 AM

4. You know, when the cops arrest people for doing stuff like this,

I think, why?

I guess the charge would be criminal trespass?

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:36 AM

5. Or possibly demonstration without a permit?

It's private property, but a hotel lobby is s public area, so she's not trespassing, per se.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:19 AM

7. It IS private property. If they actually book her and press charges, no judge will allow it to go an

anywhere. And his lawyers know it.

I suggest people keep walking in with such things on their tshirts, hats, bags, whatever. Because they can't do anything about that unless it threatens his safety personally.

But her banner certainly did no such thing. Good for her!

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:20 AM

8. +1

nt

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:42 AM

9. I'm not sure..............

but I don't think it is private property. I sort of remember reading that NYC mandated that the lobby & atria area(s) would remain open to the public, therefore treating this area like a park, etc.

Then again, I could be wrong. Also I remember from my Police days, that one of 2 things had to occur for the charge to be trespass, 1. The building had to have a notice that it was private property and trespassers would be prosecuted (usually a notice on the front door) or 2. The person had to be warned that they were on private property, escorted off and if they returned they would be arrested.

For it to be criminal trespass, it had to be trespass with a crime occurring resulting from that trespass.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:06 PM

29. Even if it's like a park, someone owns it and writes the rules & policies for it.

People can do just anything in a hotel lobby or a public park.

I don't know about hotel lobbies in NYC. But here, they are privately owned, though the public uses them. The owners dictate whether people can, say, carry guns there, set up a booth to play music, whatever.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 12:32 PM

20. She was in a public space, the atrium.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:15 PM

32. Disorderly conduct, possibly. She probably refused to remove the banner/leave when asked.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:44 AM

10. Handcuffs? There's the real crime when Nazi flags gets your ass kissed by Trump.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:37 PM

33. Agreed

Uneven police response is clearly hard to process. Almost always ends with dead African American males these days. Yet Nazis walk armed, menace and assault citizens.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:00 AM

12. Is Civil Disobedience a crime?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:17 AM

16. By definition, yes.

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:08 PM

30. Depends on the form of disobedience. Don't pay your taxes, as disobedience...

and get back to us on whether that's a crime.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:07 AM

13. Love it. No need to put this woman in handcuffs though...GAH

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:45 AM

18. She is awesome...but in my mind I misread the thread title.."Bannon drop.."

I was mentally picturing someone dropping Steve Bannon off the balcony in Trump Tower and I was kinda morbidly happy about that visual.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 04:40 PM

25. Ha, me too... not that I would wish bodily harm

on fascists.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:15 PM

21. The handcuffs called...

They said "wrong person..."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:35 PM

22. RESIST!!!!! REMOVE !!!!!!! pEACE!!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:40 PM

23. almost read as "Bannon drop at Trump tower"

Not just fired, but defenstrated from a great height

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 01:41 PM

24. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:50 PM

26. I love ultraviolet.

Good woman. Thanks, rec.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 06:01 PM

27. Brava! The Working Families Party has done good Resisting ...

the conservative right-wing up here in the Pacific Northwest, too.

Organizing with BLM and some of the First Nations, several of them have gained recognition as more than willing to take a stand against the systemic oppression of working-class minorities that corrupts the politics of our government.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:55 PM

31. Are we in a police state?

Why was she in handcuffs? She was in the public area of Trump Tower.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:38 PM

34. Probably detained and removed by Trump's private security

rather than New York police. I don't see police uniforms in the photo.

I don't know if it is still in effect, but during the Bush era, billionaire corporate CEOs were authorized to have private forces to defend their property. I remember being alarmed when I learned that.

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