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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNew Poll: Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America
Aug 24 2017, 5:04pm
A new poll found that among all other notable American senators, representatives, and even the president, Bernie Sanders reigns supreme as the most popular politician in the nationthe only one a majority of voters on both sides of the aisle view favorably, the Hill reports.
The Harvard-Harris Pollan online survey conducted from August 17 to 22culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right, along with those who identify as nonpartisan. It asked about their feelings on the Democratic and Republican parties, the biggest political moments of the past few weeks, and what issues matter most to them. It also quizzed them on America's politicians, asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers.
Unsurprisingly, Sanderswho's long held the distinction of the country's most popular politicianearned the honor once again. The poll found 54 percent of voters view him favorably, while just 36 percent feel the opposite. No other politician netted support from a majority of US voters from both parties. The closest contenderVice President Mike Penceearned a favorability rate of 44 percent.
The Vermont senator's success could be based, in part, on how active he's remained since the primaries. He's kept up his unrelenting drive to reach voters where they live, meeting with folks at events in 15 states since the election, the New Yorker reports. He's continued to push for universal healthcare, bash the GOP over its inability to pass legislation, and pounce on Trump every time he says something controversial. He called Trump's Charlottesville comments "embarrassing," slammed his "fire and fury" threat to North Korea as "bombastic rhetoric," and told the president he was "on the wrong side of history" when Trump announced his intention to ban transgender personnel from the military.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xww4ek/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-politician-in-america-poll-says-vgtrn
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)he wouldn't have had to torment all those dogs.
I am offended by your reference of certain members as being dogs. Male OR female.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)So it's complete BS to say he's the most popular politician in America.
He IS among the most high profile politicians, but so is Joe Biden -- whose name wasn't on the list.
George II
(67,782 posts)trueblue2007
(17,194 posts)he would not have been my fav. probably 5th fav.
MS WARREN and Nancy beat him out in my book.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to Donkees (Original post)
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MuseRider
(34,095 posts)Of course! Except here. LOL, figures.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)An online survey conducted from August 17 to 22 - culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right.
54% of those responses view Bernie Sanders favorably
The closest contenderVice President Mike Penceearned a favorability rate of 44 percent.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)that this proves nothing...in fact if he got only 54% in this sort of a poll...may be dropping.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)"asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers"
Emphasis mine.
I'd be absolutely certain he would rate higher than 'fleabiscuit' in that poll.
lapucelle
(18,190 posts)Even Stephen Bannon ranks in the top twelve. And for some odd reason, Barack Obama didn't even make the cut.
NB The survey asked respondents to rate 12 different, specific people, no more, no less.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)lapucelle
(18,190 posts)You can expect to see the same twelve politicians rated every month.
http://www.theharrispoll.com/in-the-news/harris-polls/Inaugural-HarvardHarris-Poll-.html
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)From Dictionary.com:
Culled
verb (used with object)
1. to choose; select; pick.
2. to gather the choice things or parts from.
Not exactly what one wants to see from a pollster!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)LovesPNW
(65 posts)I love you, Donkees ....
jalan48
(13,842 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)old broken record to me. I don't find him inspiring, or even easy to listen to. But I did listen, despite that and he would get my vote. Personally I never feel I need to "love" a politician or think they're perfect. None are. Most good ones are kind of boring too. Except Al Franken- he's hilarious and smart.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And some people have the gall to call others hypersensitive
jalan48
(13,842 posts)I'm OK with what you said, it's how you feel and though I may like Bernie more than you it doesn't bother me that you don't agree.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I was just commenting on the likable thing! Said I'd vote for him too! What the hell do people want from me, LOL. Crazy!
Lucky Luciano
(11,250 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)rpannier
(24,328 posts)They're everywhere.
Seriously, there are A LOT of people here with very thin skin
And I don't see any notice that it's a Sanders Group post
IDK. As I said, lots of thin skinned people here
I'm also beginning to think that there are some people here who just like to alert anything
I've been a juror on some really weird alerts to posts that don't even come close to violating any of the rules here at DU
Just shrug em off is my best advice
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)me angry from time to time, I am not an alerter so I never have alerted you but what you said above? Interesting post to alert on. Hmmm, I thought you were actually being very nice about Bernie.
I get mad a lot on here but people have a right to say what they say. It is more difficult here than it ever has been so I stay away much more than I ever have.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Every alert I've gotten for over a year has been Sanders related, so much so that I don't even talk about what he's doing now anymore- because THAT gets alerted as talking about three primary! I keep having to appeal and they usually get undone but it's always been ridiculous.
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)I strongly preferred Bernie to Hillary in the Primaries, but I voted for her in the General Election
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I get alerted on pretty much every time I say his name- even though I am not breaking the rules here. Jerks!
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)now on that we can agree. He has a wonderful way with language.
One of my best friends spent hours and hours with Bernie and Jane when they were here. My friend said he was absolutely wonderful to spend time with, both he and Jane. This is all I know anyway, he probably can be really grumpy and often boring. Dealing with our government cannot be all fun and games!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)So funny and sincere and incisive. Met him briefly once and made him laugh by signing a song to an actress that was also in the elevator with us.
Wish he'd run for higher office.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I was never sure that he would make a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. He would have been different, and that's about all we can say. I'm glad he ran on small donations, and that the party was big enough to give him that shot. He went from a relative unknown to pretty popular (whatever that poll actually means)--but Clinton was far more popular and won the primary in what seems to me a pretty fair system.
In a fundamental way, Clinton IS the Democratic Party in ways no outside newcomer ever could have been. Her nomination was a foregone conclusion, and I'm proud of her campaign. America is just still too fucked up to elect her, it seems.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Her to her face, how she felt about being so unlikable! What was the point of that except to try and humiliate her? And some of the most important conversations I had was w Indy or liberal people was talking them past this vague feeling they they didn't like listening to her, or had vague notions of her guilt, but didn't know why. At least I got them to consider listening and policies and turned a few heads away fromlnee jerk evaluations.
It was strange because I never lived or hated her "style". Never thought about it, but what she did and said - mostly after her husband was potus too. And Trump seemed almost like the bad wrestler that people "love to hate" which I found hard to understand but damn it got him a lot of attention.
At any rate it has me thinking who our most charismatic Dems are, and Harris and Franken top the list for me- and sadly part of that is because how well they both come across on TV. Both brilliant people with a spark.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)ashtonelijah
(340 posts)Hillary Clinton was the only one who was real in 2016. Bernie and Trump both wrote checks their asses could never cash, but Hillary was punished for being real.
People don't want real. They want someone who makes them feel like they can be little badass revolutionaries in some grand, epic tale. Bernie and Trump both gave white men on both sides fantasies of glory.
Hillary offered real and for that she was called a corrupt liar.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)"..demagogurey....misogynistic..white centric left..."
Glad you didn't go with the full blown "Communist" as well-thanks!
Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)You can have your opinions, positive or negative about Sanders. That is your prerogative. Making shit up that didn't happen and exclaiming it as the truth, however, is unacceptable behavior.
If you have to invent reasons to dislike someone you might want to self-examine your motives.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)I prefer to deal in facts rather than opinions.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)But hey everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.
Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)1> You cannot simultaneously claim the the socialists and greens are not our coalition and claim at the same time claim them as Democratic voters.
2> Sanders not only did not run as a third party candidate, He endorsed Clinton.
Reality and logic are awesome things to base opinions on. I recommend you try it!
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Reminds me of that old Gallagher joke: "I got an F on an exam that asked me for my opinion".
JoeStuckInOH
(544 posts)Having the opinion that Bernie "Nader'ed" us in the 2016 general election is a physical impossibility.
Nader directly took votes as a third party away from Gore, costing him New Hampshire and Florida (ie: people voted for Nader instead of Gore). Bernie did not run in the 2016 general election and you couldn't have voted directly for Bernie in the general election. Ergo, they aren't even similar situation and Bernie could not have "Nader'ed" us even if he wanted to.
That opinion is not only ignorant... it is categorically wrong.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)the Dem party is a different party than during the FDR era, one more centered in diverse metro areas (that are also hubs of internationalism and immigration) where it gets most of its votes. Clintonism/Obamaism is the default ideology of such constituencies.
Hillary destroyed Sanders wherever there were (1) large populations (2) diversity (3) primary contests, as opposed to the caucuses that are dominated by white activists.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)One, wrong about Bernie voters. Try castigating non-voters for once.
Also wrong about Nader voters. More DEMOCRATS voted for Bush in Florida than voted for Nader. FACT.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)don't care for him. But I always vote Democratic.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Edit: BTW "Yes! Your domain is available. Buy it before someone else does." from GoDaddy.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)We have an electoral college that creates a two-party presidential race. This isn't a parliamentary system.
peggysue2
(10,825 posts)That made me laugh out loud
I mean really, can we stop with this--refighting the primaries, pointing fingers at who or who is not the most sensitive or thin-skinned??
News Flash: the only thing that matters at the moment is the 2018 mid-terms. If we want to kick the Trumpster in the nuts, send him back to the Stone Age where he belongs, 2018 is our first and biggest opportunity. Not to sound overly grandiose, but it might be our only chance to save the GD country from the fascist currently occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I believe in Mueller but I also believe in voting. In huge, huge numbers so there's no question who or what Americans favor: open, democratic governance or a freaking maniac, The Man Who Would Be King.
For Democrats, there should be nothing more important than that single mission: winning in 2018. And voting for Democratic candidates, everywhere. The losing strategy is focusing on popularity polls or replaying old and useless odes to the past. 2016 is over, done, fini. Leave the obsessive nonsense to the Trumpsters; they're better at it anyway.
brer cat
(24,525 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And DUzy worthy
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)stirring the pot.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Actually, IIRC the majority of DU supported him in the primaries, so maybe "hated" is too strong a word?
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)that mentions him results in a slug fest. See for yourself. His critics would be a lot meaner, but their posts would end up hidden. Bernie supporters can't handle the fact that people hate him and blame him for the 2016 loss (almost 500 posts in that thread) so they resort to censorship.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)Am I even allowed to say this?
radical noodle
(7,997 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)rpannier
(24,328 posts)I think it's a ToS violation or something
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)I really liked Bernie. I worked for him and voted for him the the primary. He lost to Hillary. I signed up and worked for Hillary's campaign and proudly voted for her.
I wouldn't vote for either of them in 2020, they are too old. Even Al will be 69 in 2020. We Dems need to get folk from a younger generation if we want to take back the White House and Congress in 2018. I'm leaning really hard on 70. My generation has had its inning. We weren't the greatest generation, but we didn't do too badly. Summer of love to days of rage, civil rights, pushing hard to get out of Vietnam, and so on. But now we need to pull in the younger generation and get them really excited about a candidate. We're not going to do it with septuagenarians.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,309 posts)But how useful.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)name in it turns into a brawl.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Our SAVIOR! ......for lack of a D in parentheses
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Voltaire2
(12,965 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....until more than a month after the convention and after Labor Day.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)campaigned for Obama. Not even close.
mjvpi
(1,387 posts)The part where Hillary had won the nomination before the primary. The behavior of the DNC makes much more sense now that I know that.
From what I see in the news, the Russians had much more to do with HRC losing the electoral college than Senator Saunders.
The worst thing that Bernie did was to inspire people on an altruistic level that for a very few voters could not be reconciled in the Clinton-Trump contest. I know of none personally.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and it was all about Secretary Clinton. She was effectively the Dem nominee and he was absolutely still running against her. There's a link to my same-day account in my signature line.
Note to jury: this is simply to establish that a poster accused here of lying is not.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Don't sprain anything stretching, there.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to overcome her lead. He refused to concede even though it was harming Hillary.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)What you began responding to was a post I made that you insisted was a lie. But it wasn't a lie. Your denial doesn't make it a lie - it simply means you choose to obfuscate and conflate the facts. If that doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps you should refer to Skinner's recent comments. Therein you may find some answers to your dilemma.
You get the last response. I won't see it anyway, so knock yourself out.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I guess I won't bother to define the difference between a primary and a general election, then.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Reelection to the Senate, I think...
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not shoe in.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)He was just recently in MI talking about healthcare.
He's a workhorse for Democratic ideals!
George II
(67,782 posts)From Daily Kos (back in February this year):
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/21/1636308/-WTF-is-the-Harvard-Harris-Poll-anyway
WTF is the "Harvard-Harris Poll," anyway?
Im sure weve all been besieged by this barrage of information purporting to come from the Harvard-Harris Poll. Headlines like Poll: Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities, and Poll reveals majority of Americans want Democrats to work with Trump, and Harvard Poll: Americans Brimming With Confidence on Jobs, Economy are drawing rapturous responses from the likes of Kellyanne Conway and Rush Limbaugh. According to one Hill article, Harvard-Harris Poll is a collaboration of the Harvard Center for American Political Studies and the Harris Poll. Its co-director appears to be Mark Penn, apparently of Hillary Clinton 2008 fame. The Harvard-Harris Poll offers a lot of slick graphics to go with its snazzy numbers, but lacks that most elementary of internet accoutrements: a website.
(my note, that may have changed since February)
So I looked for information about the Harvard-Harris Poll on the Harvard Center for American Political Studies website. Not a peep about this epoch-making collaboration. The same is true of the Harris Poll website, which looks like it might have died last month. I also checked to see if the Hill itself had announced the rollout somewhere along the line, but no dice. The "Harvard-Harris Poll came online with no fanfare and just spouting some seriously strange looking numbers. I cant believe that a site of the Hills quality has been catfished. I know for a fact that Mark Penn exists. But I cant escape the feeling that something hinky is going on here. Somebody please clue me in.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I remember when we heard regularly about his MILLIONS of Twitter something-or-others which turned out to be an ad purchase. Didn't stop the meme though. Won't stop this one either.
sheshe2
(83,669 posts)Did everyone see the word "Harvard" and believe it verbatim?
George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:45 PM - Edit history (2)
Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population.So whoever "Harvard-Harris" is, they admit they manipulated the data to achieve the results they wanted.
Not only that, but they cherry-picked the "politicians" that they wanted their respondents to "rate", including some who are NOT "politicians", and don't even refer to them as "politicans", just persons, including Rex Tillerson and Steve Bannon!
No mention of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Al Franken, Bill Clinton, Kirsten Gillibrand etc., so they weren't even options for people to rate. So this basically was a "poll" to rate only TWELVE people hand picked from the thousands of politicians in America, and even non-politicians including one that had already been fired by trump!
Bottom line, a totally irrelevant "poll", not worth the paper it's printed on.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)I like what Bernie stands for.
I like the fact that he is out there everyday pushing for the policies and issues I care about.
I like that he calls out Trump and the Republicans on their BS and hypocrisy.
I like that he defends Democrats and works to make the Party better which benefits us all.
I like that he emphasizes my two main issues: Money in politics and Climate Change.
I don't care if he has a "D" or an "I" after his name, I care for what he is trying to do for regular Americans.
Sure Bernie can be repetitive, I understand it is necessary to get through to the dense or ignorant, but it does get old for the rest of us. He is not a great orator, but he is great going against other Senators and Republican mouthpieces.
We have enough problems fighting the oligarchs and their paid politicians on the Right to be shooting at someone who is fighting for us. Let us support EVERYONE who supports the Left and our issues.
ananda
(28,837 posts)I support Sanders strongly simply because he speaks
to the issues I hold dear.. the ones that always put
humans over corporations.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thats why we all respect him so much!
bluepen
(620 posts)Lulu KC
(2,561 posts)It's his supporters I tend to dislike. Like the ones who didn't vote for Hillary so now we're suffering. I thought Bernie told them not to do that, but they didn't listen to him--so what does that tell us about his leadership? It's complicated, and it's all been said before, but the damage. Oh, the damage.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)Some of the online Sanders supporters really turned me off from his movement. Too much conspiracy talk, too much "burn it all down, everyone is corrupt!" stuff. I get why some of them are unhappy with the status quo but voting for Stein or sitting out the election to spite Clinton and the Democratic Party is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Even Sanders supported Clinton in the general since it was obvious that she was preferable to Trump.
Thankfully I think most Sanders supporters in real life are a lot more rational and still support the Democrats as the imperfect but necessary counterweight to the dreadful Republicans.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)You'd be getting a lot of attacks.
George II
(67,782 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And why shouldn't they? He's an important progressive voice, FIGHTING for US!
George II
(67,782 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)People like leaders who FIGHT FOR US- like Senator BERNIE SANDERS!
applegrove
(118,501 posts)him when he used to go to cross country ski meets in Vermont in highschool in the 1980s. Has talked about him ever since. Real leadership.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)He's dropped considerably. It's the highest out of 8 elected officials polled, not all politicians in America. They also polled about Steve Bannon, who has never been elected and isn't even in government anymore. Notably absent is Barack Obama,who certainly would have polled higher. What's sad is that publications know they can created a false headline like that and readers dont care enough to even look at least he poll. As long it reinforces what they want to hear, that's all that matters.
Elizabeth Warren has 33% favorable rating. That means the exact same people who rated Sanders favorable rated Warren as unfavorable. I think we know that has absolutely nothing to do with issues.
Additionally the sample size does not reflect the demographics of the voting public because 25% of respondents and under 34 while only 21% over 65. 29% of the sample is comprised of independents, while there is no information at all about race, indicating there was no effort to control for race. Because how could race possibly matte in America?
Not that the truth or facts actually matter, but I will post into them out anyway.
Now we'll hear for months more about how Sanders is he most popular politician in American. That last sample was of 6. This was of 8. To claim that makes someone those most popular in America is a without factual or evidentiary basis.
Meanwhile, we see absolutely no attention to single payer or any other issue.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)It shows that he's the most popular of 10 politicians they put on a list (out of thousands across the US). Just like the same poll a few months ago, they only included 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats and Bernie.
And they didn't include, among others, Joe Biden.
George II
(67,782 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)Nevermind...only 1 will do
JHan
(10,173 posts)If Sanders is the most popular politician in America, why would anyone feel it necessary to share a dodgy poll with a misleading headline to prove some point or other? Oh well.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And as you can see, it has buyers
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Next.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I can't imagine how especially because....well those in the know, know.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)demosincebirth
(12,530 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)seaglass
(8,171 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and you see where that got her
alarimer
(16,245 posts)The same old, same old is not cutting it any more. And no amount of watered-down bullshit called a "better deal" is going to help.
Donkees
(31,344 posts)Excerpt: https://caps.gov.harvard.edu/news/caps-harris-poll-state-country
ABOUT THE AUGUST 2017 CAPS - HARRIS POLL
The survey was conducted by The Harris Poll online within the United States between August 17-22, 2017 among 2,263 registered voters.
The results reflect a nationally representative sample. Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents propensity to be online. The poll was supervised by Harvard Professor of Government and CAPS Faculty Director Stephen Ansolabehere, Mark Penn, and Dritan Nesho. Stephen Ansolabehere has 25 years experience conducting survey research and experimental research in the field of political science. Mark Penn is a former presidential pollster and has 40 years of polling experience. Dritan Nesho is a fellow at Harvards Institute for Quantitative Social Science with over a decade of polling experience.
Harris Insights and Analytics conducts the poll based on online methodologies they have been using for more than a decade and the results are donated to the Center for American Political Studies at Harvard University.
The results are represented as the results of the questions asked according to The Harris Poll methodology.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)
Bernie Sanders 1220
54%
Mike Pence 991
44%
Hillary Clinton 949
42%
Donald Trump 926
41%
Elizabeth Warren 843
37%
Paul Ryan 758
33%
Nancy Pelosi 704
31%
Rex Tillerson 650
29%
Jeff Sessions 634
28%
Chuck Schumer 630
28%
Mitch McConnell 441
19%
Stephen Bannon 377
17%
http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/HHP-August-Wave_Topline-Memo_Total-Only_Registered-Voters.pdf
George II
(67,782 posts)....and even with that very short list, included the likes of Steve Bannon as a politician??
It's a highly questionable ONLINE poll, and here's an excerpt of their methodology:
"Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary"
So, the pollsters indicate that they manipulated the results for subjective reasons.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He already said he will ot run as a dem again so his popularity matters none to me. I vote Dem