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Donkees

(31,344 posts)
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:51 PM Aug 2017

New Poll: Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America


Aug 24 2017, 5:04pm

A new poll found that among all other notable American senators, representatives, and even the president, Bernie Sanders reigns supreme as the most popular politician in the nation—the only one a majority of voters on both sides of the aisle view favorably, the Hill reports.

The Harvard-Harris Poll—an online survey conducted from August 17 to 22—culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right, along with those who identify as nonpartisan. It asked about their feelings on the Democratic and Republican parties, the biggest political moments of the past few weeks, and what issues matter most to them. It also quizzed them on America's politicians, asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers.

Unsurprisingly, Sanders—who's long held the distinction of the country's most popular politician—earned the honor once again. The poll found 54 percent of voters view him favorably, while just 36 percent feel the opposite. No other politician netted support from a majority of US voters from both parties. The closest contender—Vice President Mike Pence—earned a favorability rate of 44 percent.

The Vermont senator's success could be based, in part, on how active he's remained since the primaries. He's kept up his unrelenting drive to reach voters where they live, meeting with folks at events in 15 states since the election, the New Yorker reports. He's continued to push for universal healthcare, bash the GOP over its inability to pass legislation, and pounce on Trump every time he says something controversial. He called Trump's Charlottesville comments "embarrassing," slammed his "fire and fury" threat to North Korea as "bombastic rhetoric," and told the president he was "on the wrong side of history" when Trump announced his intention to ban transgender personnel from the military.





https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xww4ek/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-politician-in-america-poll-says-vgtrn
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New Poll: Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America (Original Post) Donkees Aug 2017 OP
Here we go... Old Vet Aug 2017 #1
Heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #36
It's like Sarandon winning an Oscar Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #58
Pass. flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #59
If only DU had been around back in Dr. Pavlov's day, QC Aug 2017 #65
Personally sheshe2 Aug 2017 #82
The poll is a JOKE. They only named 5 Democrats in the poll, and there are thousands in the US. pnwmom Aug 2017 #71
Bingo Me. Aug 2017 #77
As I noted below, where are Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Al Franken, Kirsten Gillibrand, etc.? George II Aug 2017 #83
what a stupid poll. if you are reporting truth ..... rigged poll and isn't accurate trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #93
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #114
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #2
:-) MuseRider Aug 2017 #3
Some perspective SecularMotion Aug 2017 #4
I know. Why post this...online surveys are worthless...it would seem to me ... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #7
Hmm... fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #8
What I find incredible is that Pence is ranked 2nd and that Sessions is ranked 10th. lapucelle Aug 2017 #68
The survey is a joke and doesnt belong on this website. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #119
That particular survey is an ongoing monthly commission from The Hill. lapucelle Aug 2017 #122
LOLOLOLOL! Thank you!! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #16
I wonder what they mean by "culled"? Normally when something is "culled".... George II Aug 2017 #35
Yes, perspective does shed a little light on this. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #113
I have not had a chance to say this ... LovesPNW Aug 2017 #5
How can you not like Bernie? You can't beat real. jalan48 Aug 2017 #6
You can, actually. I think he's a good guy who I'd vote for but personally he sounds like a grumpy bettyellen Aug 2017 #15
I have heard Bernie can be abrupt. I like Al as well-we need more like him. jalan48 Aug 2017 #19
I just got alerted on AGAIN for saying I don't love Bernie. WTF is wrong with some people? bettyellen Aug 2017 #27
Amazing, isn't it joeybee12 Aug 2017 #28
We should all be able to express our own opinions, especially on a like/dislike. jalan48 Aug 2017 #30
Thank you! I think people get too wrapped up w personalities and it drowns out talk of issues... bettyellen Aug 2017 #31
You definitely got trolled by an alert stalker. nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2017 #63
Dozens of times the last eighteen months. I'm so over it. bettyellen Aug 2017 #91
Al Franken haters rpannier Aug 2017 #38
Honestly you have made MuseRider Aug 2017 #67
I don't always agree with you too, but we're both decent and well intentioned people.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #90
I believe the bottom line as a DUer (per Skinner) is did you vote for Hillary in the General? RiverStone Aug 2017 #125
I did! I got alerted on for my comment about not loving Bernie. bettyellen Aug 2017 #133
AL Franken MuseRider Aug 2017 #23
Yeah I don't care about personalities as much as what people say and do. But Al is one of a kind- bettyellen Aug 2017 #25
Yep. I voted for his agenda, not his electrifying charisma. Orsino Aug 2017 #111
I've thought a lot about the likability thing after how they treated HRC- I remember someone asking bettyellen Aug 2017 #120
Easy. I don't agree he is real lunamagica Aug 2017 #24
Because he Nadered us in 2016. And used demagoguery to appeal to the misogynistic white centric left ashtonelijah Aug 2017 #43
I thought Nader ran as third party in the 2000 general election. I missed that Bernie did the same. jalan48 Aug 2017 #45
+1 shanny Aug 2017 #46
No he didn't "Nader us" in 2016 Gore1FL Aug 2017 #47
That is a matter of opinion. Mine is different. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #99
Yours is inaccurate. Gore1FL Aug 2017 #103
An opinion is just that. I say yours is wrong. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #104
Except mine is logical and yours is not Gore1FL Aug 2017 #105
We will have to agree to disagree. I don't find your opinion logical. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #129
Someone else's "opinion" isn't right or wrong, just different... George II Aug 2017 #112
Incorrect. Some people hold opinons that the earth is flat. That opinon is wrong. JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #118
See the post I was responding too...I know opinions are not 'wrong'. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #130
Agree, many on the activist left still don't get it, radius777 Aug 2017 #74
Bullshit alarimer Aug 2017 #102
If Bernie is the Democratic candidate of course I vote for him in 20...but I hope he is not as I Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #98
What is the point of posting this here? liquid diamond Aug 2017 #9
Because there's no IndependentButDemocraticForAFewMonthsWhenItSuitsThemUnderground.com NightWatcher Aug 2017 #12
LOL fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #18
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol JHan Aug 2017 #41
That's how our nomination phase works. Gore1FL Aug 2017 #49
Okay, nightwatcher! peggysue2 Aug 2017 #66
Thread winner! nt brer cat Aug 2017 #106
Thread winner! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #116
Daaaaaaamn! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #117
To watch some people lose their shit? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #124
Bernie is already hated here, but keep liquid diamond Aug 2017 #126
"Bernie is already hated here" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #127
Nope. Almost every thread liquid diamond Aug 2017 #128
I guess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #131
Pence is #2 ?!?! What the fuck? bettyellen Aug 2017 #10
Well I like Bernie and Hillary just about equally. StrictlyRockers Aug 2017 #11
I appreciate it even if no one else does! radical noodle Aug 2017 #34
Probably not. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #37
No. Under no circumstances is that allowed rpannier Aug 2017 #40
I've said this before. Stonepounder Aug 2017 #50
And online survey that provided a list of names? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #13
He's the real thing. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2017 #14
Oy spanone Aug 2017 #17
Apparently not. He lost .... Lil Missy Aug 2017 #20
And despised here. Any thread with his liquid diamond Aug 2017 #21
Yep, he was the opposition. And he is not a Democrat Lil Missy Aug 2017 #22
It's disheartening! Plucketeer Aug 2017 #33
Right, he only votes with Democrats 99% of the time. YoungDemCA Aug 2017 #52
And he ran AGAINST in opposition to the Democratic nominee. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #61
Huh? He campaigned tirelessly for Clinton. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #70
Huh? Really? He didn't even make his first campaign appearance.... George II Aug 2017 #88
Tirelessly? Seriously? No, he did not. Compare his campaign to to the way Hillary lunamagica Aug 2017 #94
That's the part that I must have missed. mjvpi Aug 2017 #79
That is a falsehood. You should self-delete, because it is a LIE. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #96
It's not a lie. I heard him speak on May 24, after Clinton had already won the numbers game ucrdem Aug 2017 #110
Sorry, words mean things. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #123
It's absolutely true. He refused to drop out when it was obvious HRC was the nominee and he had Lil Missy Aug 2017 #134
He endorsed the nominee. He didnt "run against the nominee" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #136
selective thinking ... Lil Missy Aug 2017 #139
No, that's simple objective fact. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #140
So is what I said, which you continue to deliberately overlook. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #141
really, I'm crushed. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #142
Well, that should make him a shoe-in for MineralMan Aug 2017 #26
I think you mean "shoo-in." cwydro Aug 2017 #44
I probably did mean that. Oops. MineralMan Aug 2017 #108
Glad to have him on our side! Barack_America Aug 2017 #29
ONLINE poll.... George II Aug 2017 #32
LOL. Who could have predicted eh? ucrdem Aug 2017 #56
Thanks for the update. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #87
A bit about the methodology FROM THE REPORT OF THE POLL RESULT.... George II Aug 2017 #39
I like Bernie! Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #42
I'm not surprised. ananda Aug 2017 #48
AMERICA LOVES BERNIE SANDERS because he is FIGHTING FOR US! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #51
Great timing. bluepen Aug 2017 #53
I like him-- Lulu KC Aug 2017 #54
That is how I feel too. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #121
You must have known when you posted this ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #55
Not attacks, just reality. Check the link and read the methodology of this "poll". George II Aug 2017 #60
Nevertheless, a lot of people like and respect Senator Sanders. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #64
I'm sure if an objective poll were conducted we'd find that many Democrats are liked and respected. George II Aug 2017 #69
Of course! Because like Bernie Sanders, they are FIGHTING FOR US! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #73
Love Bernie. He has taught us to trust again. My brother heard about applegrove Aug 2017 #57
54% favorable ratings isn't anything to brag about BainsBane Aug 2017 #62
Utter nonsense. The poll does NOT show that Bernie is the "most popular politician" in America. pnwmom Aug 2017 #72
AND....they included two non-politicians - Rex Tillerson and the already fired Steve Bannon. George II Aug 2017 #84
Hah! Yes, they did. Such a joke. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #85
Your motivation to post a dodgy poll was? JHan Aug 2017 #75
3 Guesses Me. Aug 2017 #78
hue hue... well,,, JHan Aug 2017 #80
It's The Trump Approach To Truth Telling Me. Aug 2017 #81
Who? What? When? Where? Why? democratisphere Aug 2017 #76
bullshit heaven05 Aug 2017 #86
Fucking ONLINE poll - worthless and meaningless. SharonClark Aug 2017 #89
I'd back him if he became a democrat demosincebirth Aug 2017 #92
Birds like him, too! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #95
Do you believe this is a legitimate poll? n/t seaglass Aug 2017 #97
FWIW, at the end of 2015 Hillary was the most popular Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #100
Democrats need to pay attention. alarimer Aug 2017 #101
Re: ''The seventh Harvard CAPS Harris poll, released on Thursday, August 24'' Donkees Aug 2017 #107
Here's the complete list: ucrdem Aug 2017 #109
Of all the thousands of politicians in the country, the pollsters deigned to choose only a dozen.... George II Aug 2017 #115
It appears your OP has struck some kind of nerve Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #132
It's just a matter of DU denying outlandish claims SecularMotion Aug 2017 #137
Or dining on outlandish clams Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #138
Good for Bernie Tavarious Jackson Aug 2017 #135

QC

(26,371 posts)
65. If only DU had been around back in Dr. Pavlov's day,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:59 PM
Aug 2017

he wouldn't have had to torment all those dogs.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
71. The poll is a JOKE. They only named 5 Democrats in the poll, and there are thousands in the US.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:13 PM
Aug 2017

So it's complete BS to say he's the most popular politician in America.

He IS among the most high profile politicians, but so is Joe Biden -- whose name wasn't on the list.

trueblue2007

(17,194 posts)
93. what a stupid poll. if you are reporting truth ..... rigged poll and isn't accurate
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 01:55 AM
Aug 2017

he would not have been my fav. probably 5th fav.

MS WARREN and Nancy beat him out in my book.

Response to Donkees (Original post)

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
4. Some perspective
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:06 PM
Aug 2017

An online survey conducted from August 17 to 22 - culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right.

54% of those responses view Bernie Sanders favorably

The closest contender—Vice President Mike Pence—earned a favorability rate of 44 percent.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
7. I know. Why post this...online surveys are worthless...it would seem to me ...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

that this proves nothing...in fact if he got only 54% in this sort of a poll...may be dropping.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
8. Hmm...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:21 PM
Aug 2017

"asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers"

Emphasis mine.

I'd be absolutely certain he would rate higher than 'fleabiscuit' in that poll.

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
68. What I find incredible is that Pence is ranked 2nd and that Sessions is ranked 10th.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:08 PM
Aug 2017

Even Stephen Bannon ranks in the top twelve. And for some odd reason, Barack Obama didn't even make the cut.

NB The survey asked respondents to rate 12 different, specific people, no more, no less.

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. I wonder what they mean by "culled"? Normally when something is "culled"....
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:53 PM
Aug 2017

From Dictionary.com:

Culled

verb (used with object)
1. to choose; select; pick.
2. to gather the choice things or parts from.

Not exactly what one wants to see from a pollster!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. You can, actually. I think he's a good guy who I'd vote for but personally he sounds like a grumpy
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:26 PM
Aug 2017

old broken record to me. I don't find him inspiring, or even easy to listen to. But I did listen, despite that and he would get my vote. Personally I never feel I need to "love" a politician or think they're perfect. None are. Most good ones are kind of boring too. Except Al Franken- he's hilarious and smart.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
30. We should all be able to express our own opinions, especially on a like/dislike.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:37 PM
Aug 2017

I'm OK with what you said, it's how you feel and though I may like Bernie more than you it doesn't bother me that you don't agree.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. Thank you! I think people get too wrapped up w personalities and it drowns out talk of issues...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:41 PM
Aug 2017

And I was just commenting on the likable thing! Said I'd vote for him too! What the hell do people want from me, LOL. Crazy!

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
38. Al Franken haters
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:03 PM
Aug 2017

They're everywhere.

Seriously, there are A LOT of people here with very thin skin
And I don't see any notice that it's a Sanders Group post
IDK. As I said, lots of thin skinned people here
I'm also beginning to think that there are some people here who just like to alert anything
I've been a juror on some really weird alerts to posts that don't even come close to violating any of the rules here at DU

Just shrug em off is my best advice

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
67. Honestly you have made
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:07 PM
Aug 2017

me angry from time to time, I am not an alerter so I never have alerted you but what you said above? Interesting post to alert on. Hmmm, I thought you were actually being very nice about Bernie.

I get mad a lot on here but people have a right to say what they say. It is more difficult here than it ever has been so I stay away much more than I ever have.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
90. I don't always agree with you too, but we're both decent and well intentioned people....
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:18 AM
Aug 2017

Every alert I've gotten for over a year has been Sanders related, so much so that I don't even talk about what he's doing now anymore- because THAT gets alerted as talking about three primary! I keep having to appeal and they usually get undone but it's always been ridiculous.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
125. I believe the bottom line as a DUer (per Skinner) is did you vote for Hillary in the General?
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:47 PM
Aug 2017

I strongly preferred Bernie to Hillary in the Primaries, but I voted for her in the General Election

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
133. I did! I got alerted on for my comment about not loving Bernie.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:05 PM
Aug 2017

I get alerted on pretty much every time I say his name- even though I am not breaking the rules here. Jerks!

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
23. AL Franken
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:56 PM
Aug 2017

now on that we can agree. He has a wonderful way with language.

One of my best friends spent hours and hours with Bernie and Jane when they were here. My friend said he was absolutely wonderful to spend time with, both he and Jane. This is all I know anyway, he probably can be really grumpy and often boring. Dealing with our government cannot be all fun and games!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. Yeah I don't care about personalities as much as what people say and do. But Al is one of a kind-
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:17 PM
Aug 2017

So funny and sincere and incisive. Met him briefly once and made him laugh by signing a song to an actress that was also in the elevator with us.
Wish he'd run for higher office.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
111. Yep. I voted for his agenda, not his electrifying charisma.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 09:47 AM
Aug 2017

I was never sure that he would make a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. He would have been different, and that's about all we can say. I'm glad he ran on small donations, and that the party was big enough to give him that shot. He went from a relative unknown to pretty popular (whatever that poll actually means)--but Clinton was far more popular and won the primary in what seems to me a pretty fair system.

In a fundamental way, Clinton IS the Democratic Party in ways no outside newcomer ever could have been. Her nomination was a foregone conclusion, and I'm proud of her campaign. America is just still too fucked up to elect her, it seems.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
120. I've thought a lot about the likability thing after how they treated HRC- I remember someone asking
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 01:04 PM
Aug 2017

Her to her face, how she felt about being so unlikable! What was the point of that except to try and humiliate her? And some of the most important conversations I had was w Indy or liberal people was talking them past this vague feeling they they didn't like listening to her, or had vague notions of her guilt, but didn't know why. At least I got them to consider listening and policies and turned a few heads away fromlnee jerk evaluations.

It was strange because I never lived or hated her "style". Never thought about it, but what she did and said - mostly after her husband was potus too. And Trump seemed almost like the bad wrestler that people "love to hate" which I found hard to understand but damn it got him a lot of attention.

At any rate it has me thinking who our most charismatic Dems are, and Harris and Franken top the list for me- and sadly part of that is because how well they both come across on TV. Both brilliant people with a spark.

ashtonelijah

(340 posts)
43. Because he Nadered us in 2016. And used demagoguery to appeal to the misogynistic white centric left
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:18 PM
Aug 2017

Hillary Clinton was the only one who was real in 2016. Bernie and Trump both wrote checks their asses could never cash, but Hillary was punished for being real.

People don't want real. They want someone who makes them feel like they can be little badass revolutionaries in some grand, epic tale. Bernie and Trump both gave white men on both sides fantasies of glory.

Hillary offered real and for that she was called a corrupt liar.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
45. I thought Nader ran as third party in the 2000 general election. I missed that Bernie did the same.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:24 PM
Aug 2017

"..demagogurey....misogynistic..white centric left..."

Glad you didn't go with the full blown "Communist" as well-thanks!

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
47. No he didn't "Nader us" in 2016
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:32 PM
Aug 2017

You can have your opinions, positive or negative about Sanders. That is your prerogative. Making shit up that didn't happen and exclaiming it as the truth, however, is unacceptable behavior.

If you have to invent reasons to dislike someone you might want to self-examine your motives.



Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
104. An opinion is just that. I say yours is wrong.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:54 AM
Aug 2017

But hey everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
105. Except mine is logical and yours is not
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:58 AM
Aug 2017

1> You cannot simultaneously claim the the socialists and greens are not our coalition and claim at the same time claim them as Democratic voters.

2> Sanders not only did not run as a third party candidate, He endorsed Clinton.

Reality and logic are awesome things to base opinions on. I recommend you try it!

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. Someone else's "opinion" isn't right or wrong, just different...
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:01 AM
Aug 2017

Reminds me of that old Gallagher joke: "I got an F on an exam that asked me for my opinion".

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
118. Incorrect. Some people hold opinons that the earth is flat. That opinon is wrong.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:24 PM
Aug 2017

Having the opinion that Bernie "Nader'ed" us in the 2016 general election is a physical impossibility.

Nader directly took votes as a third party away from Gore, costing him New Hampshire and Florida (ie: people voted for Nader instead of Gore). Bernie did not run in the 2016 general election and you couldn't have voted directly for Bernie in the general election. Ergo, they aren't even similar situation and Bernie could not have "Nader'ed" us even if he wanted to.

That opinion is not only ignorant... it is categorically wrong.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
74. Agree, many on the activist left still don't get it,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:28 PM
Aug 2017

the Dem party is a different party than during the FDR era, one more centered in diverse metro areas (that are also hubs of internationalism and immigration) where it gets most of its votes. Clintonism/Obamaism is the default ideology of such constituencies.

Hillary destroyed Sanders wherever there were (1) large populations (2) diversity (3) primary contests, as opposed to the caucuses that are dominated by white activists.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
102. Bullshit
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:47 AM
Aug 2017

One, wrong about Bernie voters. Try castigating non-voters for once.

Also wrong about Nader voters. More DEMOCRATS voted for Bush in Florida than voted for Nader. FACT.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
98. If Bernie is the Democratic candidate of course I vote for him in 20...but I hope he is not as I
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:16 AM
Aug 2017

don't care for him. But I always vote Democratic.

Gore1FL

(21,104 posts)
49. That's how our nomination phase works.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:33 PM
Aug 2017

We have an electoral college that creates a two-party presidential race. This isn't a parliamentary system.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
66. Okay, nightwatcher!
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:06 PM
Aug 2017

That made me laugh out loud

I mean really, can we stop with this--refighting the primaries, pointing fingers at who or who is not the most sensitive or thin-skinned??

News Flash: the only thing that matters at the moment is the 2018 mid-terms. If we want to kick the Trumpster in the nuts, send him back to the Stone Age where he belongs, 2018 is our first and biggest opportunity. Not to sound overly grandiose, but it might be our only chance to save the GD country from the fascist currently occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I believe in Mueller but I also believe in voting. In huge, huge numbers so there's no question who or what Americans favor: open, democratic governance or a freaking maniac, The Man Who Would Be King.

For Democrats, there should be nothing more important than that single mission: winning in 2018. And voting for Democratic candidates, everywhere. The losing strategy is focusing on popularity polls or replaying old and useless odes to the past. 2016 is over, done, fini. Leave the obsessive nonsense to the Trumpsters; they're better at it anyway.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
127. "Bernie is already hated here"
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:13 PM
Aug 2017

Actually, IIRC the majority of DU supported him in the primaries, so maybe "hated" is too strong a word?

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
128. Nope. Almost every thread
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:20 PM
Aug 2017

that mentions him results in a slug fest. See for yourself. His critics would be a lot meaner, but their posts would end up hidden. Bernie supporters can't handle the fact that people hate him and blame him for the 2016 loss (almost 500 posts in that thread) so they resort to censorship.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
50. I've said this before.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:34 PM
Aug 2017

I really liked Bernie. I worked for him and voted for him the the primary. He lost to Hillary. I signed up and worked for Hillary's campaign and proudly voted for her.

I wouldn't vote for either of them in 2020, they are too old. Even Al will be 69 in 2020. We Dems need to get folk from a younger generation if we want to take back the White House and Congress in 2018. I'm leaning really hard on 70. My generation has had its inning. We weren't the greatest generation, but we didn't do too badly. Summer of love to days of rage, civil rights, pushing hard to get out of Vietnam, and so on. But now we need to pull in the younger generation and get them really excited about a candidate. We're not going to do it with septuagenarians.

George II

(67,782 posts)
88. Huh? Really? He didn't even make his first campaign appearance....
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:00 AM
Aug 2017

....until more than a month after the convention and after Labor Day.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
94. Tirelessly? Seriously? No, he did not. Compare his campaign to to the way Hillary
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 02:34 AM
Aug 2017

campaigned for Obama. Not even close.

mjvpi

(1,387 posts)
79. That's the part that I must have missed.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:46 PM
Aug 2017

The part where Hillary had won the nomination before the primary. The behavior of the DNC makes much more sense now that I know that.

From what I see in the news, the Russians had much more to do with HRC losing the electoral college than Senator Saunders.

The worst thing that Bernie did was to inspire people on an altruistic level that for a very few voters could not be reconciled in the Clinton-Trump contest. I know of none personally.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
110. It's not a lie. I heard him speak on May 24, after Clinton had already won the numbers game
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 09:37 AM
Aug 2017

and it was all about Secretary Clinton. She was effectively the Dem nominee and he was absolutely still running against her. There's a link to my same-day account in my signature line.

Note to jury: this is simply to establish that a poster accused here of lying is not.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
134. It's absolutely true. He refused to drop out when it was obvious HRC was the nominee and he had
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:07 AM
Aug 2017

NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to overcome her lead. He refused to concede even though it was harming Hillary.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
141. So is what I said, which you continue to deliberately overlook.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:24 PM
Aug 2017

What you began responding to was a post I made that you insisted was a lie. But it wasn't a lie. Your denial doesn't make it a lie - it simply means you choose to obfuscate and conflate the facts. If that doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps you should refer to Skinner's recent comments. Therein you may find some answers to your dilemma.

You get the last response. I won't see it anyway, so knock yourself out.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
142. really, I'm crushed.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:36 PM
Aug 2017

I guess I won't bother to define the difference between a primary and a general election, then.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
29. Glad to have him on our side!
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:36 PM
Aug 2017

He was just recently in MI talking about healthcare.

He's a workhorse for Democratic ideals!

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. ONLINE poll....
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:47 PM
Aug 2017


From Daily Kos (back in February this year):

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/21/1636308/-WTF-is-the-Harvard-Harris-Poll-anyway

WTF is the "Harvard-Harris Poll," anyway?

I’m sure we’ve all been besieged by this barrage of information purporting to come from the “Harvard-Harris Poll.” Headlines like Poll: Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities, and Poll reveals majority of Americans want Democrats to work with Trump, and Harvard Poll: Americans Brimming With Confidence on Jobs, Economy are drawing rapturous responses from the likes of Kellyanne Conway and Rush Limbaugh. According to one Hill article, “Harvard-Harris Poll is a collaboration of the Harvard Center for American Political Studies and the Harris Poll.” Its “co-director” appears to be Mark Penn, apparently of Hillary Clinton 2008 fame. The “Harvard-Harris Poll” offers a lot of slick graphics to go with its snazzy numbers, but lacks that most elementary of internet accoutrements: a website.

(my note, that may have changed since February)

So I looked for information about the “Harvard-Harris Poll” on the Harvard Center for American Political Studies website. Not a peep about this epoch-making collaboration. The same is true of the Harris Poll website, which looks like it might have died last month. I also checked to see if the Hill itself had announced the rollout somewhere along the line, but no dice. The "Harvard-Harris Poll” came online with no fanfare and just spouting some seriously strange looking numbers. I can’t believe that a site of the Hill’s quality has been catfished. I know for a fact that Mark Penn exists. But I can’t escape the feeling that something hinky is going on here. Somebody please clue me in.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
56. LOL. Who could have predicted eh?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:41 PM
Aug 2017

I remember when we heard regularly about his MILLIONS of Twitter something-or-others which turned out to be an ad purchase. Didn't stop the meme though. Won't stop this one either.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. A bit about the methodology FROM THE REPORT OF THE POLL RESULT....
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:05 PM
Aug 2017

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Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population.

So whoever "Harvard-Harris" is, they admit they manipulated the data to achieve the results they wanted.

Not only that, but they cherry-picked the "politicians" that they wanted their respondents to "rate", including some who are NOT "politicians", and don't even refer to them as "politicans", just persons, including Rex Tillerson and Steve Bannon!

No mention of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Al Franken, Bill Clinton, Kirsten Gillibrand etc., so they weren't even options for people to rate. So this basically was a "poll" to rate only TWELVE people hand picked from the thousands of politicians in America, and even non-politicians including one that had already been fired by trump!

Bottom line, a totally irrelevant "poll", not worth the paper it's printed on.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
42. I like Bernie!
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:17 PM
Aug 2017

I like what Bernie stands for.
I like the fact that he is out there everyday pushing for the policies and issues I care about.
I like that he calls out Trump and the Republicans on their BS and hypocrisy.
I like that he defends Democrats and works to make the Party better which benefits us all.
I like that he emphasizes my two main issues: Money in politics and Climate Change.
I don't care if he has a "D" or an "I" after his name, I care for what he is trying to do for regular Americans.

Sure Bernie can be repetitive, I understand it is necessary to get through to the dense or ignorant, but it does get old for the rest of us. He is not a great orator, but he is great going against other Senators and Republican mouthpieces.

We have enough problems fighting the oligarchs and their paid politicians on the Right to be shooting at someone who is fighting for us. Let us support EVERYONE who supports the Left and our issues.

ananda

(28,837 posts)
48. I'm not surprised.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:32 PM
Aug 2017

I support Sanders strongly simply because he speaks
to the issues I hold dear.. the ones that always put
humans over corporations.

Lulu KC

(2,561 posts)
54. I like him--
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:37 PM
Aug 2017

It's his supporters I tend to dislike. Like the ones who didn't vote for Hillary so now we're suffering. I thought Bernie told them not to do that, but they didn't listen to him--so what does that tell us about his leadership? It's complicated, and it's all been said before, but the damage. Oh, the damage.


Willie Pep

(841 posts)
121. That is how I feel too.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

Some of the online Sanders supporters really turned me off from his movement. Too much conspiracy talk, too much "burn it all down, everyone is corrupt!" stuff. I get why some of them are unhappy with the status quo but voting for Stein or sitting out the election to spite Clinton and the Democratic Party is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Even Sanders supported Clinton in the general since it was obvious that she was preferable to Trump.

Thankfully I think most Sanders supporters in real life are a lot more rational and still support the Democrats as the imperfect but necessary counterweight to the dreadful Republicans.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
64. Nevertheless, a lot of people like and respect Senator Sanders.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:54 PM
Aug 2017

And why shouldn't they? He's an important progressive voice, FIGHTING for US!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
73. Of course! Because like Bernie Sanders, they are FIGHTING FOR US!
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:21 PM
Aug 2017

People like leaders who FIGHT FOR US- like Senator BERNIE SANDERS!

applegrove

(118,501 posts)
57. Love Bernie. He has taught us to trust again. My brother heard about
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:41 PM
Aug 2017

him when he used to go to cross country ski meets in Vermont in highschool in the 1980s. Has talked about him ever since. Real leadership.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
62. 54% favorable ratings isn't anything to brag about
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:53 PM
Aug 2017

He's dropped considerably. It's the highest out of 8 elected officials polled, not all politicians in America. They also polled about Steve Bannon, who has never been elected and isn't even in government anymore. Notably absent is Barack Obama,who certainly would have polled higher. What's sad is that publications know they can created a false headline like that and readers dont care enough to even look at least he poll. As long it reinforces what they want to hear, that's all that matters.

Elizabeth Warren has 33% favorable rating. That means the exact same people who rated Sanders favorable rated Warren as unfavorable. I think we know that has absolutely nothing to do with issues.

Additionally the sample size does not reflect the demographics of the voting public because 25% of respondents and under 34 while only 21% over 65. 29% of the sample is comprised of independents, while there is no information at all about race, indicating there was no effort to control for race. Because how could race possibly matte in America?

Not that the truth or facts actually matter, but I will post into them out anyway.

Now we'll hear for months more about how Sanders is he most popular politician in American. That last sample was of 6. This was of 8. To claim that makes someone those most popular in America is a without factual or evidentiary basis.

Meanwhile, we see absolutely no attention to single payer or any other issue.


pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
72. Utter nonsense. The poll does NOT show that Bernie is the "most popular politician" in America.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:16 PM
Aug 2017

It shows that he's the most popular of 10 politicians they put on a list (out of thousands across the US). Just like the same poll a few months ago, they only included 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats and Bernie.

And they didn't include, among others, Joe Biden.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
80. hue hue... well,,,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:47 PM
Aug 2017

If Sanders is the most popular politician in America, why would anyone feel it necessary to share a dodgy poll with a misleading headline to prove some point or other? Oh well.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
101. Democrats need to pay attention.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:44 AM
Aug 2017

The same old, same old is not cutting it any more. And no amount of watered-down bullshit called a "better deal" is going to help.

Donkees

(31,344 posts)
107. Re: ''The seventh Harvard CAPS Harris poll, released on Thursday, August 24''
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 09:02 AM
Aug 2017

Excerpt: https://caps.gov.harvard.edu/news/caps-harris-poll-state-country

ABOUT THE AUGUST 2017 CAPS - HARRIS POLL
The survey was conducted by The Harris Poll online within the United States between August 17-22, 2017 among 2,263 registered voters.

The results reflect a nationally representative sample. Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents’ propensity to be online. The poll was supervised by Harvard Professor of Government and CAPS Faculty Director Stephen Ansolabehere, Mark Penn, and Dritan Nesho. Stephen Ansolabehere has 25 years’ experience conducting survey research and experimental research in the field of political science. Mark Penn is a former presidential pollster and has 40 years of polling experience. Dritan Nesho is a fellow at Harvard’s Institute for Quantitative Social Science with over a decade of polling experience.

Harris Insights and Analytics conducts the poll based on online methodologies they have been using for more than a decade and the results are donated to the Center for American Political Studies at Harvard University.

The results are represented as the results of the questions asked according to The Harris Poll methodology.


ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
109. Here's the complete list:
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 09:28 AM
Aug 2017

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Bernie Sanders 1220
54%
Mike Pence 991
44%
Hillary Clinton 949
42%
Donald Trump 926
41%
Elizabeth Warren 843
37%
Paul Ryan 758
33%
Nancy Pelosi 704
31%
Rex Tillerson 650
29%
Jeff Sessions 634
28%
Chuck Schumer 630
28%
Mitch McConnell 441
19%
Stephen Bannon 377
17%

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/HHP-August-Wave_Topline-Memo_Total-Only_Registered-Voters.pdf

George II

(67,782 posts)
115. Of all the thousands of politicians in the country, the pollsters deigned to choose only a dozen....
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:05 AM
Aug 2017

....and even with that very short list, included the likes of Steve Bannon as a politician??

It's a highly questionable ONLINE poll, and here's an excerpt of their methodology:

"Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary"

So, the pollsters indicate that they manipulated the results for subjective reasons.



 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
135. Good for Bernie
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:16 AM
Aug 2017

He already said he will ot run as a dem again so his popularity matters none to me. I vote Dem

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